r/Damnthatsinteresting Sep 25 '22 Helpful 3 Wholesome 4 Defeated 1

A rare photo of North Korean leader Kim Il-Sung showing a tumor on his neck. Photographers were forbidden to photograph the right side of his face, late 1980s. Image

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u/CaseyFake Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 27 '22 Defeated

The other dude is János Kádár the leader of communist Hungary.

Edit: Thanks for the upvotes!

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u/carlonseider Sep 25 '22

It looks like he’s performing some sort of healing on Kim.

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u/SoniKalien Sep 25 '22

Looks like he's about to attempt to slap it off.

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u/EvilLibrarians Sep 25 '22

This is the only way to fix you Kim!

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u/MildMischief80 Sep 25 '22

Do you love Emerald Nuts?

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u/deludedhairspray Sep 25 '22

Ah, man, the righteous gemstones! 😍😍😍 what a fucking treasure trove of a show. 😁😁

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u/sexual--predditor Sep 25 '22 Take My Energy

János Kádár: "Keep my wife's name out of your fuckin' mouth!"

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u/MegaGrimer Sep 25 '22

How can he slap?!?!

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u/RexUmbra Sep 25 '22

"Sana Sana colita de rana"

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u/WeekRepulsive4867 Sep 25 '22

Si no sana hoy sanará mañana 🙏🐸🐸

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u/fairlywired Sep 25 '22

I was thinking it looks like he was waving at Kim from a distance when Kim suddenly appeared in front of him DBZ style.

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u/acausa Sep 25 '22

It worked. Kim Il Sung went on to become the Eternal President of North Korea ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/thegoodbadandsmoggy Sep 25 '22

The power of Marx compels you

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u/fourth_best Sep 25 '22

I appreciate you sharing so I don’t have to show my ignorance when asking who that other guy is.

Edit: what year, and what is the context of this photo?

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u/spike4379 Sep 25 '22

Wololoooooo

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u/KingFinesse1 Sep 25 '22

For some reason I thought it was Boris Yeltsin

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u/VictorVaughan Sep 25 '22

No Boris Yeltsin was hotter

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u/Telefundo Sep 25 '22

And drunker.

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u/dangersausage Sep 25 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome

Kim Il-Sung on Dr Pimple Popper would have been a great episode.

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u/Dvusmnd Sep 25 '22 Gold

I wonder how many barbers died not being able to do a combover for that shit. Or for taking too long. Or staring. Or trying to cut hair when your boss and bosses boss just got whacked in front of you for both the above capital crimes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

dyin cuz you couldn't pull a nice fade over the softball-sized flesh mound-- damn.

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u/Abriel_Lafiel Sep 25 '22

I’d like to imagine that one of the barbers died cause he gave that softball a good old flick.

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u/OtterbirdArt Sep 25 '22

Imagine if one died because he used a sharpie to give it a nipple

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u/InEenEmmer Sep 25 '22

Quite sure someone got hanged for putting googly eyes on there and drawing a mouth on the tumor.

That would have been me in a past life.

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u/personalcheesecake Sep 25 '22

A guard takes each arm, walking you away

Awe, c'mon! It's a joke!

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u/Abriel_Lafiel Sep 25 '22

Or a little face.

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u/Acceptingoptimist Sep 25 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Haha! "So I want a two on the sides!"

"Have you considered a mullet, supreme leader?"

*Gunshot noises*

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

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u/crookedcusp Sep 25 '22

Fun fact. In North Korea barbers have posters on the wall with pictures of all the approved hair cuts on them. Customers go in and pick one. Good system actually.

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u/stopeatingcatpoop Sep 25 '22

What if the barber was like Bro. Even the government wouldn’t condone this fucked up fade

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u/G00DLuck Sep 25 '22

"The govt can Sung my balls"

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u/QwerkkyKid Sep 25 '22

"The govt Kim Sung my balls"

FTFY.

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u/kuriositeetti Sep 25 '22

Friend of mine told me that there wasn't really any "thievery" in the soviet union because everyone had the same tv etc.

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u/Crowmasterkensei Sep 25 '22

Well I dunno. In the GDR (communist east Germany) you were put on a very long waiting list for certain appliances, so the motivation for stealing would certainly be there. But there would probably have been far too much government surveillance (including neighboors snitching on each other etc.) for anyone to think they'd get away with that.

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u/microzoa Sep 25 '22

Came here for this

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u/Extension_Swordfish1 Sep 25 '22

Same. Dr popper could have fixed this super fast.

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u/Dvusmnd Sep 25 '22

Sir I think I think we have a mole.

Guacamolé ?

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u/romulusnr Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

For the record, this picture was taken outside of North Korea, which is why this photo (and its taker) exists. I dug that info up a while back last time I saw this posted somewhere.

I want to say it was in Czechoslovakia but not sure Edit: it was in Hungary.

Iirc it wasn't technically a tumor but a calcium deposit

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u/pangea_person Sep 25 '22

it wasn't technically a tumor

It's a tumor. A tumor is an abnormal growth of tissue. It can be benign or malignant.

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u/CaptanWolf Sep 25 '22

Calcium deposit sounds like bone not tissue?

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u/Cjjt71200 Sep 25 '22 Helpful

There is such thing as a bone tumor, it's called an osteoma.

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u/LPSTim Sep 25 '22

An osteoma is due to abnormalities in osteoblast and osteoclast division.

Calcinosis is not cell based. It's due to calcium deposits.

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u/Aden-Wrked Interested Sep 25 '22

I see all the Oncologists are on Reddit today.

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u/pangea_person Sep 25 '22

Bone is a tissue

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u/PenilePhrenology Sep 25 '22

I blow my nose with bones all the time.

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u/pangea_person Sep 25 '22

You should see a doctor about that

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u/BalhaMilan Sep 25 '22

Considering that the other piece of shit on the picture is János Kádár, who was the communist dictator of Hungary, I think it's safe to assume it was taken in Hungary

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u/Mardred Sep 25 '22

So thats why he looked familiar! I'm from Hungary :D

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u/BalhaMilan Sep 25 '22

Bojler eladó! :D

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u/Mardred Sep 25 '22

Bojler eladó! :)

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u/DyloDavid Sep 25 '22

Neztem is mondom, az nem a Kadar Jani bacsi?

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u/aEAE1223 Sep 25 '22

also why didnt they just remove it surgically

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u/insane_contin Sep 25 '22

North Korean doctors aren't the greatest, and if it's not life threatening, then why would a dictator risk going out of country and being put under for it?

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u/BloodshotPizzaBox Sep 25 '22

Well, dictators aren't immune to vanity, hence the photo ban. Apparently Kim's vanity just didn't extend that far beyond his self-preservation instinct.

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u/i12m Sep 25 '22

Kidnap the doctors?

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u/insane_contin Sep 25 '22

If you were a dictator would you trust a kidnapped doctor? Would you trust the people around the doctor who would gain a lot if you don't wake up?

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u/stehen-geblieben Sep 25 '22 Helpful I'll Drink to That

In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one. Steady hand. One day, Dictator need remove tumor. I do operation. But, mistake! Dictator die. Country very mad. I hide in fishing boat, come to America. No English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car, and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret: I kill Dictator on purpose. I good surgeon. The best!

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u/buckyworld Sep 25 '22

Steady hand!

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u/thegeekprophet Sep 25 '22

Good idea. Let's do that!

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u/MeanOldWind Sep 25 '22

Well, Kidnapping IS a method used historically when North Korea needs someone's talent. I'm thinking of actor/actress kidnapped from Japan and forced to create pro-Kim movies. But Insane_contin is correct in asking if the dictator would trust a kidnapped doctor. Lol. Ugh.

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u/Most-Strategy4554 Sep 25 '22

I think that's an ingrown hair.

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u/cmcewen Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Am surgeon.

Cyst (less likely) or lipoma (more likely). I can say it’s one of those two things with like 99.9% certainty.

Super common and super common in that location. Minor procedure to remove it. Not sure why they didn’t do it for him.

Edit: some sources saying calcium deposit. That sort of obscure weird thing is why it’s 99.9% and not 100. It’s possible I guess and maybe explains why it wasn’t removed. I’m too lazy to look into it. But that is a standard appearance and location of the stuff I said above. I’ve removed so many from that area.

Double edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcinosis

The wiki page for Calcinisos literally shows this dudes pic so that seems pretty solid evidence to me. It also says it’s rare, which is true. I’ve never seen it.

I would remove with hammer and chisel. Have him bite down on leather strap.

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u/liamcmurphy Sep 25 '22 Helpful

I have one, same location, but I’m told I have to pay privately for removal and that the NHS won’t do it. So I have a nice bump. Fortunately no symptoms like tendency towards totalitarian dictatorship.

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u/Meatchris Sep 25 '22

How's your golf game tho?

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u/liamcmurphy Sep 25 '22

Only ever made it down to a 5 handicap, since you asked. Now living vicariously through my nephew, who is living the dream as a professional.

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u/DigNitty Interested Sep 25 '22

5 is still damn good

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u/cownd Sep 25 '22

Those feelings will start to grow…

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u/TOrulz Sep 25 '22

So right now it’s cosmetic surgery?

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u/38B0DE Sep 25 '22

I live in Germany and had a bunch of those.

If they cause pain or discomfort they'd remove them and the insurance will pay. If you tell the doc "it looks weird" or "it scares people" they might be inclined to deny.

It's an operation and carries its risks. Most physicians are thought to not send people under the scalpel for minor things.

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u/orthopod Sep 25 '22

Tell them it hurts, and it makes bending your neck difficult so it's affecting work and that you think it's growing...

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u/DalionBuckwaters Sep 25 '22

If I remember correctly, it wasn’t removed because he was exceptionally afraid of being anesthetized (happens when you’re a repressive dictator) for any amount of time.

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u/funko_grails Sep 25 '22

They don’t put you to sleep they just numb it so it doesn’t hurt

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Oct 29 '22

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u/cownd Sep 25 '22

How big of a lance are you talking?

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u/Flight_19_Navigator Sep 25 '22

By the looks of that thing - one wielded by a knight mounted on horseback.

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u/cownd Sep 25 '22

Keep that shield raised, prepared for the splashback

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u/BornOnFeb2nd Sep 25 '22

At the very least he would've been putting himself at the mercy of someone with very sharp implements

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u/monxas Sep 25 '22

That’s what they do in the us or a western country. Don’t think in North Korea they have the same procedures

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u/CorruptedAssbringer Sep 25 '22

I don’t think that’s the case here. I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure full body or knock-out anaesthetization is a lot harder and more complicated than local.

In terms of having medical access, it’s lot more believable the other way around.

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u/SnooCalculations4568 Sep 25 '22

Kim would've had access to Cuban doctors that are supposedly quite skilled though

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u/CantaloupeMoney9906 Sep 25 '22

Depends on the location. Mine was on my chin and there was a chance they could have damaged nerves leaving me looking like I had a stroke. And the size is important too. They need to remove the membrane behind it so it doesn't just come right back. I was out for about 4 hours (felt like a blink, crazy) and I had a tube for the bleeding for a few days which really sucked when they yoinked it out. But I'm all good now!

Anyways, imagine all the nerves and important stuff at the base of your skull and it is massive. He definitely needed to be sedated for that.

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u/Dankaroor Sep 25 '22

Well, I'd say a lot of people, especially old or sick or just otherwise weak people are really scared of being anesthetized, you don't know if you'll wake up and you can't say your goodbyes.

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u/CantaloupeMoney9906 Sep 25 '22

Don't have to be weak. I had a friend that is an anesthesiologist and hearing him describe it keeping you alive is a full time job while you are out. It's a delicate balance between awake, in between and dead. You're basically being brought to the brink of death and held over the edge until they pull you back.

Everyone should take it seriously.

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u/VisibleOtter Sep 25 '22

Yup. I had my tonsils removed aged 40, and my partner at the time was a senior nurse in the ICU/Recovery at the hospital. If you’re family of staff you tended to get special treatment, so my op was done by the consultant surgeon, and the consultant anaesthetist. After the op the anaesthetist gave me a very generous dose of morphine to ease the pain, as my tonsils were huge. Unfortunately it was just a little too generous, and as I came around I went to respiratory arrest. I remember coming around to see my partner’s face, and then I just couldn’t breath, my chest had just locked solid. She hit me on the chest hard to shock my system, the paddles and ECG pads went on and the anaesthetist promptly administered a reversal drug. That was pretty scary. She did come and apologise later when I was in the recovery ward!

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u/KvK_07 Sep 25 '22

Me who's watched House MD - yeah ofc, what else could that be?

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u/SuccessfulBread3 Sep 25 '22 Yas Queen

Lupus

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u/KvK_07 Sep 25 '22

Oh I wish!

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u/beanichole Sep 25 '22

Nah it’s always Guillan-Barre

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u/NinjaCuntPunt Sep 25 '22

Failing that - Cushing's.

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u/enadiz_reccos Sep 25 '22

Sarcoidosis!

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u/Fischli01 Sep 25 '22

It must be lymphoma

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u/YouAndSunset Sep 25 '22

Can’t forget good ol’ Legionnaires!

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u/niamhysticks Sep 25 '22

Noo it's ALWAYS Paraneoplastic Syndrome

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u/Vtastical Sep 25 '22

But it doesn’t explain the headaches.

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u/ChubbyLilPanda Sep 25 '22

Occurs razor, two separate diseases

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u/Isthisworking2000 Sep 25 '22

It’s never lupus.

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u/Fragrant-Arm8601 Sep 25 '22

It's never lupus!

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

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u/Isthisworking2000 Sep 25 '22

The exception that proves the rule!

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u/SeizethegapYouOFB Sep 25 '22

Smartest medical doctor vs. average House MD watcher

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u/Waste_Engineering579 Sep 25 '22

Fellow man of culture

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u/DimitriV Sep 25 '22

Me who checked WebMD: it's a compound malignant spinal Ebola whooping malaria skin hemorrhage.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Let us know when you start Dr. Pimple Popper, grasshopper.

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u/beanichole Sep 25 '22

She started monetizing everything and the appeal dipped. Like, making money is fine and all but she’s a dermatologist, she wasn’t struggling. No need to make Dr. Pimple Popper TV subscription service for us commoners trying to find serotonin in a pandemic.

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u/AllAboutTheGoatLife Sep 25 '22

I’ve switched to the toe bro. Scratches a similar itch

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u/CatastropheJohn Expert Sep 25 '22

You should have someone look at that

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u/Revolutionary-Tie126 Sep 25 '22

Article says it was a calcium deposit that was too close to the spinal cord so they didn’t remove it

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u/orthopod Sep 25 '22

As an orthopaedic surgeon who removes tumors, that sounds like complete bs.

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u/bwyer Sep 25 '22

We are talking about North Korea here... In the '80s.

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u/pasta_sauce87 Sep 25 '22

I had a surgeon once tell me he was 99.9% certain the lump I had wasn’t cancer 🫠

Not a knock on you, but please guys, lower the number to like 97% or something

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u/cmcewen Sep 25 '22 Wholesome

97% chance my previous statement was correct

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u/cherryreddracula Sep 25 '22

I'm also a doctor. 97% sure they're correct.

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u/Knightmare42069 Sep 25 '22

I’m also a correct. 97% sure they’re a doctor.

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u/phauxbert Sep 25 '22

They should adjust to the CSI Miami rate of 99.32%

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u/pasta_sauce87 Sep 25 '22

Having never watched the show, I can only assume that their methodology is exemplary, so I’d say this is an acceptable compromise

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

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u/liveinthesoil Sep 25 '22

What diagnostics were done?

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u/cownd Sep 25 '22

So your vet was 99% full of s#it

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u/kill_pig Sep 25 '22

It’s a common knowledge that 94.56% of all statistics are made up

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u/NorthEnglandChap Sep 25 '22

I had a lecturer at college who developed something looking very much like this in the photograph. He was told it was “nothing to be worried about” but will be seen to. Collapsed and died at home within weeks. Could it be linked to another illness/weakness?

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u/pimpys Sep 25 '22

As he aged, starting in the late 1970s, Kim developed a calcium deposit growth on the right side of the back of his neck. Its close proximity to his brain and spinal cord made it inoperable. Because of its unappealing nature, North Korean photographers were forbidden from taking photos of Kim which showed the growth.”

Source: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/kim-il-sung-tumor-1984/

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u/iampenguintm Sep 25 '22

It was an inoperable calcium deposit directly across the base of his brain stem and spinal cord. It may be operable now but it wasn't then without severe risk

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u/orthopod Sep 25 '22

Lumps in that area are almost always begin lipomas, or sebaceous cysts.

It's not a cancer since he had it for 20 years, and so he would have died waaaay before that if it was a cancer.

That's really on the base of his neck, nowhere close to his skull.

The whole "calcification- can't operate" sounds like complete bs made up by the party to justify why he didn't want to go under anesthesia.

Source - I'm an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in tumors.

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u/GalianoGirl Sep 25 '22

I thought lipoma too. Dad had one in the same location.

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u/MajorJuana Sep 25 '22

Isn't it usually from an iodine deficiency? Some kind of deficiency. Tasmanians were thought to be two headed for a while, not sure if it was seriously believed but was a rumor, as many soldiers had scars in there necks from having these removed so Australian soldiers would joke about "where is your other head?"

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u/smog_alado Sep 25 '22

Enlarged thyroid from iodine deficiency would be on the front of the neck.

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u/the_other_50_percent Sep 25 '22

AKA goiter. Salt companies were convinced to add iodine to their product, which gave a regular small dose to people and wasn’t detectable by taste.

It’s less of a problem in salt water areas. Interesting that it was prevalent in Tasmania.

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u/No_Activity4321 Sep 25 '22

nah that certainly is ligma

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u/WagwanKenobi Sep 25 '22

definitely a sugondese variant ligma

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u/LeonDeSchal Sep 25 '22

What would happen if you stuck a needle in that?

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u/jellycrunch Sep 25 '22

Probably get shot.

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u/flimbs Sep 25 '22

That's one way to get the vaccine

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u/BonquiquiShiquavius Sep 25 '22

Nothing. I had a much smaller version of that on my neck. It wasn't pus filled. It was just a fat deposit basically. They numbed the area and cut it out within a half hour. I was back at work that morning. Super easy procedure, and I had a nice chat with the surgeon all through it.

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u/sober_1 Sep 25 '22

on scale 1-10, how much relief have you felt?

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u/REDDITATO_ Sep 25 '22

If it was anything like mine, they were only mildly annoyed by it in the first place. Mine was about an inch tall/across, but it didn't feel any different than the rest of my neck unless I was looking straight down. Even then it just felt like an object in the way. Still super ugly and I'm glad it's gone.

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u/TurtlesBeFree Sep 25 '22

life sentence in labor/concentration camp

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u/alex8155 Sep 25 '22

i know its pretty specific but have you ever played Left4Dead as a boomer?

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u/DynoMiteDoodle Sep 25 '22

Looks like he might have been a little to closely obsessed with their third world nuclear program and got a little exposure

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u/donaldinc Sep 25 '22

Just a lipoma.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

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u/Dragonflies3 Sep 25 '22

Clearly these folks don’t watch enough Dr Pimple Popper.

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u/witqueen Sep 25 '22

Seriously, she just had a recent show removing almost the exact same type of Lipoma.

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u/Spartacus120 Sep 25 '22

Fun Fact: This was actually the second tumor that North Korean leader Kim Il-Sung developed in his lifetime. The first tumor was in 1942 and it was called Kim Jong-Il

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u/CantaloupeMoney9906 Sep 25 '22

That was the malignant one.

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u/TheLimeyCanuck Sep 25 '22

Fun fact... that tumor survived his death and went on the run the country for nearly eleven years, and counting.

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u/Paloma_blanca1899 Sep 25 '22

The other guy is Janos Kadar, who put down the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, and ordered to execute and incarcarate thousands of Hungarians who revolted against the communists and the soviets.

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u/neoben00 Sep 25 '22

Tumor on a tumor

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u/i_got_skrimps Sep 25 '22

Those are actually good for the host though.

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u/ewiubfwqi Sep 25 '22

Yeah, and the host was North Korea which ended up losing him eventually so I'd say that makes sense.

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u/bandix01 Sep 25 '22

Hopefully its genetic.

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u/chingchongchnk Sep 25 '22

I mean every cancer is genetic

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u/Alone_Revenue639 Sep 25 '22

I mean everyone has cancer

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u/Man_AMA Sep 25 '22

We’re all the walking dead

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u/Diprogamer Sep 25 '22

I love when dead says "it's walking time" and then walks everyone

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u/Soundoftesticles Sep 25 '22

A rare photo of North Korean leader Kim ill-Sung showing his "pregnant belly" on his neck. He insisted of being "mother land" and gave birth to world greatest leader by throwing up.

It's in the history books.

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u/hhubble Sep 25 '22

His son and grandson were and are such prices of shit. He should've passed the leadership onto this tumor. It would've done a much better and shane job.

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u/mystic-eye Sep 25 '22

IT’S NAAT A TOOMAH!

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u/EstHS Sep 25 '22

Backup brain

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u/Kakadachi Sep 25 '22

The photographer saw the chance and took it

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u/NRamo5 Sep 25 '22

"ITs NOT A TUMOR"

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u/Maybethistimeitllbe Sep 25 '22

At least he suffered.

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u/ViciousLampp Sep 25 '22

No where near enough for what he's done to the North Korean people.

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u/Zadien22 Sep 25 '22

It just astounds me that we allow an entire country to be essentially terrorized on the infantile whim of a single man who has gaslighted his subjects into believing (or at least feigning belief) that he's essentially a God that without, they would not be able to live in a state of near constant fear of death and absolute squalor while said "God" lives in luxury, even benefitting from western education.

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u/Sutarmekeg Sep 25 '22

I can't understand why the mullet didn't enter the list of standard haircuts after this.

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u/zubwaabwaa Sep 25 '22

It looks like the other fellow is about to pat him on the head and say - “Now there’s a good dictator”

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u/legojoe7874 Sep 25 '22

Dr Pimple Popper is looking at this drooling!!

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u/t4ct1c4l_j0k3r Sep 25 '22

Does anyone know if the lump is on those giant statues of him too? Sake of accuracy and what not.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Looks like John fetterman

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u/CrieDeCoeur Sep 25 '22

So thats how Kim Jong Il was born...

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u/HoneynutNewport Sep 25 '22

I hope it was painful.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

"It's not a tuma!"

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u/boatrunner13 Sep 25 '22

It’s not a tumor!

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u/Eyemarten Sep 25 '22

That’s not a tumor, that is the lump that eventually became kim jong-un.