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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/mudboy654 Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

yeah thats the point

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u/parkerm1408 Sep 22 '22

Human version of an angry upvote I guess. Like...I hate what you stand for but I guess we can agree the kkk suck more.

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u/qasimq Sep 22 '22

Yup. Disagree with Trump and his base on everything. But if they are going to stand up against KKK I'm in agreement there.

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u/Buffphan Sep 22 '22

It’s One guy. Let’s not start crowning Trump as the champion of civil right yet

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u/Pk1Still Sep 22 '22

The typo makes your statement a double entendre.

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u/Jbrown183 Sep 22 '22

Trump is now the Champion of the civil Right…

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u/Link2Liam Sep 22 '22

I don't think there is anything civil about most of them.

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u/GiveToOedipus Sep 22 '22

The only thing civil about Trump are his suits, of which he has many.

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u/christophlc6 Sep 22 '22

Oof get out the aloe vera

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u/yeeehhaaaa Sep 22 '22

They are Huuuuge

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u/childish_tycoon24 Sep 22 '22

Some might even say bigly

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u/BubuBarakas Sep 22 '22

He was threatening assault and battery so…

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u/Versaiteis Sep 22 '22

so much for the civil right

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u/Pk1Still Sep 23 '22

No the fuck he isn’t

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u/algorythmUnlock Sep 22 '22

civil right

it's also an oxymoron

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u/tigm2161130 Sep 22 '22

Remember when he said he did more for civil rights than any other president in American history?

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u/Toqom Sep 22 '22

He didn't really specify which side of civil rights he was doing more for, though, he really hurt it more than any other president since it became a thing. I'd argue the KKK and Neo-Nazis felt empowered to come out. Trump's Father, Fred, was arrested in a crowd of men who were all wearing KKK robes, yet he wasn't charged with the others, to me that's enough proof.

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u/_BigChallenges Sep 22 '22

He wouldn’t even denounce white supremacy on a national stage.

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u/ChemicalXP Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

He did. About 10 times. On video.

Edit: love the downvotes on a factual statement with the proof to back it up. Not an echo chamber here for sure.

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u/cmyer Sep 22 '22

Lol after he was pressured into it when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" instead of denouncing hate groups then and there.

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u/dinnerthief Sep 22 '22

Most Trump fans are not KKK members but most KKK members are Trump fans

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u/1mikeg Sep 22 '22

Most Trump supports subscribe to one or many forms of bigotry. Only some take the time to join the club.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

I'd like to see the data for that statement.

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u/1mikeg Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Enjoy

Sorry, here's the Brookings summary if you don't have access.

Double edit: Found a non paywall version.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 22 '22

Lol have you seen the legislation the GOP is proud to pass?

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u/doggonebd Sep 22 '22

Here's some data that might make you uncomfortable: republican party = white nationalist party. If you stand with Trump and his January 6 goon squad, you stand with the Klan. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/kwm9hm/self_portrait/

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u/dewag Sep 22 '22

That's the strangest dataset I've ever seen. The chart looks like a KKK dude painting himself as Captain America. Just... weird.

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u/Ok_Contribution_8817 Sep 22 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Narwhal Salute Got the W Eureka!

“You racists make Us fascists look bad”

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

Yeah he doesn't seem to have a problem with their beliefs, just the optics. Am I reading that wrong? I guess this is better than running over to give em a hug lol.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

It’s like what Stormfront says in Boys: “People like what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don’t like the word Nazi, that’s all.”

These people agree with what the KKK stands for, but since the acronym “KKK” has some seriously negative connotations to it, they hate the KKK, not because they disagree with anything the KKK does, but because their mind associates KKK with evil.

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u/ChrisDoom Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Damn, there are really people trying to tell you this isn’t an accurate read on the situation. As statements in a vacuum we agree racism, Nazis, and the KKK are bad but then you see people who don’t seem to actually understand WHY those things are all bad and the condemnation from them is just hollow. From there it can go one of two ways, either they realize their beliefs align with those things and lean in and start openly claiming it or they realize their beliefs aligns with those things and they reevaluate those beliefs.

Although the fact that this guy is wearing an American flag Punisher logo shirt does make me think that he’s not the deep thinking reflective type.

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u/phantom_hope Sep 22 '22

Same with a lot of right-wing germans here in Germany (duh). They hate to be called Nazis even tho they advocate for a fascist regime and the deportation of every single muslim.

They just don't want to be called Nazi, they have no problem spitting fascist and racist arguments.

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

I’m not sure they even necessarily hate the KKK so much as they hate the optics of being openly associated with them.

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u/music3k Sep 22 '22

Theyre told by their propaganda that the KKK are actually Democrats. Its the same problem of them not understanding the parties flipped, or that Trump doesnt give a shit about religion or anything besides himself

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

Honestly, the history and labels are much less important than recognizing that if you share significant overlap in your political views with the klan that you might be the bad guys.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

You guys are jumping so many mental hurdles just to make the guy clearly berating and hating the KKK as not being so. Don't try so hard, buddy.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

I mean if you actually have a problem with the KKK’s philosophy you wouldn’t be part of MAGA since they’re 99% identical in their philosophies

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

No. There are no hurdles to jump. All this guy has said is that they’re making them look bad. He isn’t telling them their views are bad.

It’s entirely possible that he only has a problem with the robes, not the views they represent. After all, the alt-right movement was an effort to rebrand literal nazism in a more presentable package. They weren’t changing the views, just how it’s presented.

It’s not jumping hurdles when we all know that the fascists are well aware that they have an image/PR problem and don’t want to associate themselves with old symbols that have strong negative connotations, like swastikas and klan robes.

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

In fairness after rewatching he does mention white supremacy though I couldnt entirely make out what he said. I would guess he doesnt favor it. At least openly. The other guy seemed to be shouting youre racists. I do take issue with claims of being "real americans". These guys are monarchists who do not support democratic ideas unless they favor their favored monarch or viewpoint Thats pretty much the opposite of American ideals or what this country was founded on. Im glad he doesnt like the kkk but these guys are still asshats.

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u/getthephenom Sep 22 '22

This was the exact thought that came to my mind.

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u/ignatiusjreillyreak Sep 22 '22

He is fighting the racists on camera in public, we can at least give him a little slack. It takes a lot to state you are not racist and also fight racists in public like that of you are a racist.

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u/DreamedJewel58 Sep 22 '22

Yup, exactly. Almost any time you see right-wingers argue about the KKK, it’s almost always just “they make us look bad!” instead of actually talking about their generational influence on modern day Republican politics and trying to separate the two

They’re essentially saying “we’re fine with you, just take the hood off and stop giving us bad optics!”

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

To be fair, after watching it again he does mention white supremacy, I just cant make out what hes saying but I dont think it was voicing support. Not openly. How much of this is performative is probably 100% but I dont know whats in this mans heart. Other than he supports an orange fascist scumbag who attracts love and admiration from the KKK and neo nazis. So thats not great.

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u/MKclinch8 Sep 22 '22

Guy is just wearing a different version of an asshole’s uniform

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u/getthephenom Sep 22 '22

They stand for the same thing. Just don't like saying KKK.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

That’s the problem with us politics everything is black and white and it paints the supporters of both parties as black and white when in reality everything is nuanced and in grey. I think it would be cool to see a USA that has more split parties to see where people really split on nuance and issues

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u/Tessara444 Sep 22 '22

Theocratic fascists . So... Racist, but basing it all in the religion to pretend it's not just as bigoted.

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u/WhiteyFiskk Sep 22 '22

Reminds me of the old south park episode with the racist flag. Nobody wants the KKK to be seen on their side of the argument

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u/Makes_Them_Eat_Honey Sep 22 '22

I’m gonna get downvoted to hell by this but you do know that by calling half the country fascists for having more right wing opinions you’re actually the ones that are putting them on the track to become fascists? You can see it clearly if you go back and watch the news from Reagan and Bush Jr. Y’all (thank god) have no idea what fascism or socialism is in the US.

You want European “socialism” without having ID’s, which is impossible since the ID is the basis to distributing resources from the state. You want open borders without realising that again, a socialism system works when every citizen is contributing and paying taxes or it quickly becomes impossible to sustain it. Abortion laws are the same, I completely agree that abortion should be legal but you used to be able to abort up until something like 26 weeks in some states using Europe as a justification, without realising that no state in Europe allows abortion for more than 18 weeks.

I don’t support anyone because I’m not an American and it’s not my place, but I do worry by seeing people turning so extreme on both sides. Without compromise democracy fails, try to learn from history. If you don’t allow someone to be a conservative they’ll get more radical and eventually turn into the fascists you claim them to be.

Also, yes, I only commented on left leaning problems because I know no conservative is reading this on Reddit. Y’all need to chill, you got a great country, please don’t ruin it cause eventually I want to emigrate over there.

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u/Hunterio009 Sep 22 '22

I know right haha the cognitive dissonance is astounding.

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u/palehorse95 Sep 22 '22

I never understood how the group that wants to shrink the influence of govt, disband entire governmental agencies, and ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth against a possible tyrannical turn by the govt, could possibly be fascist?

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u/JolteonJoestar Sep 22 '22

Expansion of police, military, and private-public partnerships :)

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u/Jay_R_Kay Sep 22 '22

I mean, they talk a good talk about shrinking federal government influence, but they hardly walk the walk. They just want to expand the government in the ways that they want.

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u/taws34 Sep 22 '22

"shrink the influence of the government"

Nixon, a Republican, created the EPA.

W.Bush created the Department of Homeland Security.

The only part of the government that Republicans want to shrink are the social programs that benefit citizens.

Otherwise, they are more than happy to increase funding for the police and military.

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u/Ok_Contribution_8817 Sep 22 '22

And let’s not forget that the Federal Government actually grew by 49% under Ronald Reagan

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u/tturedditor Sep 22 '22

As others have mentioned, they do NOT want to shrink the government. They want to use the government to force their religion on the entire population (abortion ban, books being banned, same sex marriage ban, prevent same sex couples from adopting, etc).

And their ideas to get rid of government agencies are downright ignorant.

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u/ibetthisistaken5190 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

shrink the influence of government

This is a cover. They want to selectively shrink it (e.g., financial regs), but they make it more than intrusive in other ways. Texas’ abortion laws immediately come to mind.

But that’s the point, right? These are no longer Republicans.

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u/homietheclown Sep 22 '22

A government so small it fits in your bedroom and your uterus.

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u/notbad2u Sep 22 '22

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Conservatism%20in%20the%20United%20States%20is%20a%20political%20and%20social,in%20relation%20to%20U.S.%20states.

Exactly what you said. It's interesting to note that British Conservativism (aka Burkian) is pretty different -- Burke argued against revolution for instance -- but in effect American Conservativism could be seen as idealizing Monarchy.

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u/ProfBunimo Sep 22 '22

Do people who want to shrink the government do things like propose abortion bans and try to limit who can marry who? Do they try to force libraries to ban books? Do they try to steal elections?

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u/PerfectZeong Sep 22 '22

What party is the party of small government? It's not Republicans. It's not Democrats either but its certainly not Republicans.

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u/flentaldoss Sep 22 '22

I never understood how the group that wants to shrink the influence of govt in economic distribution, but increase its control of individuals' lifestyle choices, disband entire governmental social services while increasing power and funding of enforcement agencies, and ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth against a possible tyrannical democratic turn by the govt minorities becoming the plurality, could possibly be facist

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u/Juggz666 Sep 22 '22

Yeah the group that appointed judges to strike down super-precedent so certain red states can regulate vaginas at the cost of women's health cant be fascist whatsoever./s

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u/Mino_Swin Sep 22 '22

Because they only want to reduce the "size" of the government, not the actual force it controls. This simply takes the same amount of power and concentrates it into a smaller number of hands. No conservative politician seeks to reduce the number of police or soldiers at the government's command, merely the oversight apparatus that governs their use and conduct. When government agencies are disbanded in this context, their influence is not returned to a democratic electorate, but to "government contracting" corporations that seek to run the necessary functions of society for personal enrichment rather than the public good. The privatization of social utilities means that these organizations are no longer accountable to the democratic electorate, merely to the pursuit and extraction of profit by any means.

As to the society being armed to the teeth, this actually does little to guarantee freedom. Authoritarian politicians understand that they can count on a large number of armed ideological groups to function as non-state paramilitaries, who support police and military forces, and intimidate political opposition, while granting plausible deniability to politicians when they are used. They also understand that when left wing groups conduct any similar activities, they can be directly confronted by armed right wing reactionaries who are often tacitly or openly supported by police and national guard forces.

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u/Y_signal2020 Sep 22 '22

small government

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War in Drugs War on Terror Blue Lives Matter

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u/Asclepius333 Sep 22 '22

That's because they aren't the party of "small government." Maybe they were at one time, but current American Conservative ideology is only functional when a hierarchy is established, implemented, and preserved via our laws and the "culture wars" that they're always on about. In this country, that hierarchy is both race and class based, with an ENORMOUS overlap between the two because it was set up that way.

The guy in this video may be sincere in his hatred for the KKK, but voting for the current Republican party as it stands today means voting for people who agree with the KKKs sentiments. I would say that Republican/Nat-C politicians are more discrete with their racism than the KKK, but every day that proves less and less true.

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u/_BeerAndCheese_ Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

that wants to shrink the influence of govt, disband entire governmental agencies

Only in ways that benefit the majority and harm the vulnerable. Increasing military spending, increasing police funding (and blindly supporting them ESPECIALLY when they are beating civilians in the streets), expanding the prison system, building a giant border wall, caging immigrants, trafficking LEGAL migrants, banning and burning books, forcing schools to teach based on their ideologies, openly working to force their religion on everyone else, dictating who and who cannot be married, and let's not forget forcing women to have children (against the majority's will). These all directly fly in the face of "shrinking gov influence", doesn't it? But hey, they're defunding schools in poor neighborhoods, so only the rich get to go to private schools with vouchers. Seriously, never in my lifetime has any conservative been in favor of reducing government across the board. They pick and choose what they want to disband. Once you decide to think critically about what they disband and what they enforce, the answers become quite clear. I mean seriously, these are the people who push for capital punishment, the ultimate oppressive tool of a government. You don't get to claim you want to "shrink the influence of gov" when you at the same time push to make it legal for the government to KILL PEOPLE. Like what kind of duplicitous shit is that.

ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth

Governor Reagan, aka conservative jesus, enacted gun laws in California due to "uppity blacks". This wasn't that long ago. Trump banned bump stocks, against gun advocate wishes. And are you so sure they're the party that wants people armed? That number of people prosecuted for firearms continued to rise to 14,200 in 2020, btw. It looks to me that at least in my life time, every Republican president has seen a massive spike in federal firearm prosecutions, and every Democratic one has massive declines. To the point that Obama presidency saw nearly half as many as Bush Jr.

Fascism blames the ills of society on minority groups that exist within the society, and posits that the problems can be solved by reducing or exterminating the influence of those "outsiders". This fits Trumpism ideology to the T. Those groups are un-American; the reason you are not well off is because those immigrants keep taking jobs, those minorities have affirmative action, those gay people are getting married, those communists are attacking Christmas. These are all regular talking points.

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u/dstar09 Sep 22 '22

Hate to break it to you, but Trump, after he found out he lost in 2020, wanted to deploy the military to overturn the results of the presidential election! See https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/12/19/trump-reportedly-asked-advisors-about-deploying-military-to-overturn-election/?sh=5e8bfacace2b Trump also had a surprising number of military generals as part of his cabinet/staff, more than any president since Ulysses Grant. Trump told one general in his staff that he wished HIS generals in his staff were more loyal like to him like the generals in Nazi Germany under Hitler! He also wanted to have a military parade just like the fascist dictators have to display military strength to everyone. I could give you many more examples of Trump’s tendencies towards fascism if you want. Here’s a link for the last one: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals

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u/ABCosmos Sep 22 '22

Yeah, that guy might want to reflect on why the KKK is on their side.

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u/FSCK_Fascists Sep 22 '22

Right. the Proud Boys leader they were investigating, while being interviewed by an undercover, started bragging about exterminating or removing all the jews once trump gets back in power.

this is his base. this one guy is either an outlier, or more likely angry at the optics of having the KKK there. Not that they are there or what they stand for. Just bad optics.

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u/Markantonpeterson Sep 22 '22

And i'd gurantee he still listens to Tucker Carlson and agrees with "the great replacement" theory and all that white supremacist shit. He just doesn't like that the KKK is out in the open about it.

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u/rfccrypto Sep 22 '22

Don't you remember the time trump was handed a gay pride banner on stage and proved he's on their side? You know, before he nominated all the right wing conservatives to courts to dismantle civil rights.

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u/Deesing82 Sep 22 '22

yeah and all the other trumpers around him are conspicuously silent

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u/ShaolinFantastic420 Sep 22 '22

For real, no one else stood up to them as far as we know. I'm assuming it was a rather large event if the KKK bothered to show up. I'd be more impressed if I was reading a news article that reports the entire crowd kicked them out of town.

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u/Better-Director-5383 Sep 22 '22

Yea this isn’t a case of trump supporters being good it’s a case of this guy not knowing what he’s supporting.

Trump already called neo nazis marching and chanting the Jews will not replace us very fine people.

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u/incaseshesees Sep 22 '22

Agreed, he's just worried they'll look bad to CNN, he's not against the KKK, per se

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u/lost_alpaca90 Sep 22 '22

Exactly let's not forget all those kkk members are also trump supporters.

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u/George_Tirebiter420 Sep 22 '22

The gold isn't hot enough to crown him with... yet.

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u/Ordinary-Bet-1343 Sep 22 '22

Agreed 9/11 & 1/6 NEVER forget

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u/Funkyokra Sep 22 '22

Trump wasn't there. He would have said that the KKK were very fine people.

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u/AnxietyRodeo Sep 22 '22

One guy willing to do what Trump never would - denounce white supremacists.

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u/creativityonly2 Sep 22 '22

"Yeah, let's all give him an award. The "not as bad as he could have been" Award."

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u/Leakyrooftops Sep 22 '22

It’s one confused guy, because Trump’s platform is bigotry and more for the rich.

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u/eifersucht12a Sep 22 '22

I love how there's no low they can sink to whete faux-centrists will stop disappearing up their own asses to go "Well I don't agree with them on everything but..."

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u/TheForanMan Sep 22 '22

Not only that, but it’s just one guy who clearly doesn’t understand his party’s stance on racism. He didn’t get the memo that they are supposed to quietly accept the KKK at their rallies.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

Honestly I don’t get how you can like Trump while simultaneously hating the KKK when Trump endorses them and the proud boys. Like you think one would either be ok with the KKK, since Trump supports them, or you would hate Trump, since he supports the KKK.

These are the type of people that just vote red because of the big R next to Trump’s name and don’t actually agree with any of the shit he says.

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u/Independent-Ruin-185 Sep 22 '22

I don't get how you can like either one. Trump Lite or Trump, both have a pretty solid history of overt racism.

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u/SilentSamurai Sep 22 '22

If we want to get America off this facism kick, we need to understand why they have the base they do.

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u/uhdude Sep 22 '22

Trump doesnt support the KKK

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u/Matren2 Sep 22 '22

Sure, tell yourself that.

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u/A_Little_Wyrd Sep 22 '22

They support him

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u/slybird Sep 22 '22

No, it was two guys, but still a good point. We can't ignore that the rest of those in that line were silent.

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u/bored1414 Sep 22 '22

To be fair I don’t think silence means they agree either way. Most people will stay silent in situations like this, not because they don’t have an opinion but most people aren’t confident enough to voice it in public like this.

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u/slybird Sep 22 '22

Maybe. I'm just having a hard time imagining them being silent if it was bunch of pro-choice trans Biden people at shouting distance. I think people that go to rallies and protests are not the silent types.

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u/sureshot1988 Sep 22 '22

If it were a thousand guys it doesn't make trump the champion of civil rights. What it does, is shed some light on stereotypes created by people to support their own ideals.

I live in the deep south and I can tell you that while Trump supporters may not always be the brightest people, I have literally never met one that ACTUALLY supports the KKK as well. Most of those guys are sovereign citizens anyway. A small minority may but that's all it is.

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u/Aggressive-Sound-641 Sep 22 '22

Particularly when Trump opened the door and welcomed them in.

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u/NerevarineTribunal Sep 22 '22

Especially if we find out the guy votes for people like Paul Gosar, for example.

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u/gdizz211 Sep 22 '22

Lol.. to be fair there was another guy backing up that vato. But it was cool to see that he wasnt taking there BS.

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u/satansheat Sep 22 '22 Silver

Y’all be giving them too much praise here. It’s just another GOP voters confused as to how the rhetoric trump preaches is on par with what the klan preaches.

Sure I’ll give you a high five for hating the klan. But you are still a dumb ass for voting in people who have helped the klan. Recruitment was up 10 fold under Trump. I put a klan member behind bars in 2017 who was proud to claim he worked for the klan and was here for trumps agenda.

The klan had an Allie in Trump.

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u/nobahdi Sep 22 '22

Y’all be giving them too much praise here. It’s just another GOP voters confused as to how the rhetoric trump preaches is on par with what the klan preaches.

It’s not just trump, it’s the entire republican party. GOP congress and governors are 95% white and 95% male, that doesn’t happen by accident. They have the full support of every kkk, neo-nazi, white nationalist group in the country.

Even if this guy isn’t actually a racist republican he should feel ashamed that guy he’s yelling at votes exactly the same way as him and with just as much enthusiasm.

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u/IMBCumGayDstryrOfAss Sep 22 '22

Yea… he’s yelling at the guy because they make republicans look bad being affiliated with them. But they are there because they vote and have the same ideologies as these people…it’s like cops saying there’s only a few bad apples while simultaneously protecting these same bad apples.

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u/GrandSquanchRum Sep 22 '22

The problem with that logic is that the left has crazies, too. People that legitimately think Leninism was a good idea, people that hate cisgendered white men, and over the top transpeople that yell in gamestops and wear giant Halloween tits to teach at school and all of these people have a bullhorn put on them to enrage that base of people. While you might think those people are tame compared to the KKK, they don't and they don't see the problem with that.

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u/Finessecules Sep 22 '22

Reminds me of how much he ( Trump) dodged the questions of would he disavow David Duke , but he said he couldn't because there might be "good people".

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u/garbagewithnames Sep 22 '22

Only after hemming and hawing over it for a long while and backlash for taking so long to finally do it. Made it come off more as lip service than an actual disavowing. You'd think this would be something one ought to easily be able to do quickly, yet he took his sweet time before finally saying it.

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u/windsostrange Sep 22 '22

Made it come off more as lip service than an actual disavowing

Yep. If you're in a group looking for his approval, you only hear the first five words. You never, ever hear the next five hundred.

And the first five are always: Stand back and stand by.

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

You wouldn’t have to back me into a corner and ask me ten times to get me to say David Duke is an asshole who I wouldn’t support or associate with. You’d only have to ask me once.

You don’t get credit if you’ve already dodged the question multiple times and are just doing it for optics because the question won’t go away.

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u/AllHailGoogle Sep 22 '22

THIS^ ^ ^

There are some things that are just wonderful political softballs that have no downsides.

"Do you disavow David Duke, a fucking white supremacist?" "Should the age of consent be 4 years old?" "Should white people be the only ones who can vote?" "Is Putin just a real good guy in a bad situation?"

These are all examples of questions that any politician should love to have asked because they're so easy to answer, you'll only piss off shitty people, and who doesn't love a good smackdown of supremacists/pedophiles/dictators?

Anyone who hems and haws at the easy questions should absolutely never be trusted anywhere near a seat of power

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

Exactly. If these types of questions aren’t softballs and they give you pause then you’re sus as all hell. It doesn’t matter that they finally give the right answer after being backed into a corner over and over again just to get some of the heat off.

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u/DirtyDoctrine Sep 22 '22

You realize that it took him almost a week right?

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u/InformationDelivery Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Here's the thing, most trump supports are already confused. They are constantly misled about everything. Liberals tend to think of trump supports as evil, but I'm pretty sure they're just naive, scared, and very confused. A lot of the stuff they talk about seems evil from our perspective, but they genuinely see these "issues" as threats to themselves and America, despite there being no actual threat. It's like they're seeing ghosts. It's honestly sad.

I don't care if the guy is confused about the relationship between trump and the kkk, he's right when it comes to compassion for minorities, and that's a huge win.

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u/TieDyedFury Sep 22 '22

This confusion stems from religious indoctrination from a young age. It becomes difficult if not impossible to accurately diagnose and solve complex problems when you think the problems are being caused by demons/witches/satan/whatever and that the best course of action is to pray for guidance from a magic man in the sky. We have programmed billions of people to have magical ways of thinking and it has resulted in incalculable amounts of suffering and oppression around the world.

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u/InformationDelivery Sep 22 '22

That's part of it, yeah.

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u/cartoonist498 Sep 22 '22

It's good to see but also feels odd to specifically applaud someone for standing up against the KKK because we don't expect them to.

Like if a Catholic priest goes off on a child molesting priest and we applaud him for it. Like... Is that worthy of special praise? You're suppose to do it.

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u/DopeAbsurdity Sep 22 '22

"I don't support the KKK! They are terrible and disgusting! I just support all the same people that the KKK supports and I support the people who fund the KKK! FUCK THE KKK!" --- Trump supporters who don't like the KKK

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u/HereJustForTheData Sep 22 '22

Some people here are almost tripping on their way to lick MAGA supporters’s boots so fast lmao. Trump fans would be ELATED to see their political rivals being summarily executed and y’all are looking for reasons to pat them on the back just because one deranged individual is shouting at the KKK.

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u/ryraps5892 Sep 22 '22

Idk why you’re getting downvoted, you’re totally right. This guy doesn’t understand they’re on the same team lol

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u/APersonWithInterests Sep 22 '22

"I like my racism non-explicit, I won't tolerate you being blatant about what we really want!"

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u/ryraps5892 Sep 22 '22

I imagine they try to believe their fellow racists/misogynists/Christian extremists, aren’t the only ones who support maga… It never fails to surprise me just how intolerant so many people are. A whole cross section of the country has hidden their racism and stupidity for so long that it’s busted out in a disgusting movement, that has the balls to proclaim itself a legitimate political agenda. It’s absurd…

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u/rambo_lincoln_ Sep 22 '22

I don’t think we should tell them either. Let them tear each other apart from within.

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u/k3rnal_panic Sep 22 '22

Biden praised and spoke of a former in the US senate as a mentor at his eulogy. They were friends colleagues during Robert Byrds affiliation. So yeah, I don’t vote for people who are affiliated or in support of the klan either.

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u/pcgate Sep 22 '22

In his memoir, Byrd wrote, “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one’s life, career, and reputation.”

Byrd changed, Duke didnt/hasnt.

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u/PleasantEditor8189 Sep 22 '22

Didn't Byrd apologize for his racist sentiments and disavowed the Klan or did I have a fever dream that occurred.

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u/hyperking Sep 22 '22

yeah, that's why republicans hate him

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u/labellavita1985 Sep 22 '22

He 100% changed and committed himself to equality if I remember correctly.

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u/DirtyDoctrine Sep 22 '22

So Biden, who was born in 1942, was friends with Senator Byrd when he was affiliated with the KKK? Byrd left the KKK in 1951... So where did <9 yr old Biden meet Byrd? They didn't exactly travel in the same circles.

By the way, 1951 is the latest I've heard it stated. He said he quit the clan by '47.

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u/-thecheesus- Sep 22 '22

hey genius, Byrds disavowed the KKK and expressed deep regret for having been associated with them

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u/BobaFettishx82 Sep 22 '22

Biden also concocted the Crime Bill of '94 with Strom Thurmond who was a well known segregationist and KKK member.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

Trump endorsed the KKK and proud boys so I really don’t see how you can say “I fucking hate the KKK” then still vote for Trump, who is the messiah figure to the KKK

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u/NormieSpecialist Sep 22 '22

Wasn’t trump’s father in league with the KKK?

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u/oldmanian Sep 22 '22

Eh. He seems more upset that they are going to make trump bad rather then the actual racism. It’s a weird thing to want to reward that

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u/pookachu83 Sep 22 '22

"Shhh guys, don't wear your hoods where the media can see you, wait til Friday, Bob! Remember, we are supposed to say we aren't racists, ah, who am I kidding, got an extra robe in the trunk"

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u/youjerkfaceyou Sep 22 '22

Fuck it. Let the infighting begin. The whole party needs to implode around the sucking void of a singularity that is Trump. They all can join the circular firing squad for all I care.

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u/LegacyLemur Sep 22 '22

The more I think about, yea that was definitely his problem

If I saw a bunch of Nazis or Klansmen at a rally I was at I wouldnt think "youre making us look bad" Id think "theres Nazis here, fuck them up"

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u/DirtyPenPalDoug Sep 22 '22

He's still at the Same rally yo.. if your at a rally and there's kkk and nazis.. even if you tell em off.. if your still there.. your still on the same team. Now he goes home and realizes what just happened? Maybe he sorts it out.. but when you stay at the nazi and kkk rally, your a nazi.

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u/EhrenScwhab Sep 22 '22

It’s definitely time to look in the mirror and think if the KKK loves what the dude you love has to say…

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u/ProfitMuhammad Sep 22 '22

100%. If you're with 1000 people marching, and you have a nazi marching along side... you're a nazi.

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u/gofyourselftoo Sep 22 '22

You’re

Edit: you’re is you+are / your means it belongs to you. For those who get confused about it

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u/Moop5872 Sep 22 '22

They’re “standing up” against a few Klansmen on the street while promoting their Grand Wizard, basically. You can’t shout how you love trump and hate the KKK, when he actively supports them.

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u/sensei-25 Sep 22 '22

I’m gonna need a source on this one chief

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u/Moop5872 Sep 22 '22

Seriously? He’s been conveniently silent every time they support him, interviewers have asked him what he thinks of the KKK and the Proud Boys supporting him and he dodges the question. There this article here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-and-the-ku-klux-klan-a-history outlining this kind of thing. He also famously told the Proud Boys to “stand by”. It’s all extremely well-documented

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u/sonofmarley76 Sep 22 '22

I mean he did more to combat this then Trump and most of his supports ever have. We can disagree on politics all day but as soon as you start getting racist or have dog whistle comments there is nothing to debate.

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u/koviko Sep 22 '22

I mean, one of the anti-KKK dudes was referring to black people as "the blacks" still so... Probably still racist, just not literally ready to lynch people over their race, I guess.

I guess to these guys, anything short of shouting racial slurs and killing minorities isn't racist.

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u/ChesswiththeDevil Sep 22 '22

I agree and also, Trump voters are our neighbors and at some point we need to figure out how to live together in (more) harmony. You can hate Trump, but I think that you can't hate Trump voters (except the KKK ones - fuck them).

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u/Illpaco Sep 22 '22

I agree and also, Trump voters are our neighbors and at some point we need to figure out how to live together in (more) harmony. You can hate Trump, but I think that you can't hate Trump voters (except the KKK ones - fuck them).

This is a 2-way street and it needs to start with Trump supporters. Democrats have taken tons of shit since 2016 for trying to reach across the aisle only to be met with "fuck Biden" or "own the libs" t-shirt wearing terrorists. We've all seen their rallies. We've all seen their interviews. They're programmed to be aggressive and dismissive of anyone who doesn't kiss Trump's ass.

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u/xaul-xan Sep 22 '22

Hell yea brother, sure they might have a nazi at the table, but its ok to sit down and eat!

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u/sonofmarley76 Sep 22 '22

I am black. My last job I worked in the facilities dept of a college. Most of those guys were republicans. My boss hated Biden but even he said Trump went to far. And btw, my tires were slashed at my place one night when I worked there and my boss heard about it. He he gave me money get new tires because it was around Christmas time . Sweet guy. What happened to conservatives like that?

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u/coalcoalcoal Sep 22 '22

What happened to conservatives like that?

They continue to vote for and support politications who have been marching further and further right, towards a white, fake-christian, fascist party. At some point - hopefully they'll wake up and say "I don't want this" but right now their options are: regressive GOP, stay the same Dem, or progressive people who don't have a shot (and who they believe are socialists).

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u/Capitalist_P-I-G Sep 22 '22

You can hate Trump, but I think that you can't hate Trump voters people who are okay with/enjoy all of the racist, sexist and violent things Trump does and has enacted and enabled.

This shit is such a cope so people can avoid confrontation with their family.

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u/ChesswiththeDevil Sep 22 '22

Tell me you've never had an honest discussion with your political "rivals" without telling me you've never had an honest discussion with your political "rivals". If you can't accurately explain your opponent's argument, you're effectively arguing against a straw man.

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u/OminousOnymous Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Trump should be tried and hanged for Jan 6, but he condemned white supremacists in no uncertain terms after Charlotsville. Problem is people only ever saw "good people on both sides" quote where he was awkwardly trying to make a distinction between people who want the statues to remain up for historical reasons (which is stupid, but he made it very clear he was not talking about the out and out racists who were there---and he may have been mistaken that there was anyone else there or that there is fundamentally a difference deep down, but the way it was framed as if he was supporting the rally was dishonest.)

I wish the media was more honest about Trump. He is a deeply corrupt man who deserves to be in jail, but the media lost a lot of credibility trying to throw everything at him to see if it would stick. All the bullshit masked his real crimes.

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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons Sep 22 '22

I would describe his condemnation of white supremacists as very uncertain in terms, actually.

"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. ... So you know what, it's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture. And you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

My Trumpy family always demands that I take Trump's quotes in context, because apparently that reveals information that makes the sound bites make sense. And the context of this is that the troublemakers who were there to meet and match the neo-nazis and white nationalists were very, very bad people. And, in addition, it's bad to change the history and culture of our great nation, specifically about the Civil War, a war that was fought by Robert E. Lee to preserve the supremacy of white people and the ownership of black people as property. The people who wanted to protect our white traditions - very fine people. The people who want to destroy white supremacy and white nationalism - very bad people. And I guess some of the people there were fine, maybe.

"You're changing history/culture" is a very, very common white nationalist talking point. The idea is that the Jews are destroying the country through miscegenation and rewriting of history to erase white achievements and portray white people and white power in a negative way.

Trump is great at speaking out of both sides of his mouth, condemning neo-Nazis while advancing their cause in the same breath.

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u/goblinm Sep 22 '22

The media coverage was good if you read about the details. He gave three speeches over the course of like 4 days, one wishy washy condemning the violence but not really condemning the movement, the next condemning the movement in more clear terms, and then a third bashing the media and the left for silencing the right, and supporting the demonstration on free speech grounds. He was all over the place. Trump is a firehose of bullshit, so even if he condemned with no uncertain terms in one showing, you can find three more that contradict that.

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u/MillionPtsofLight Sep 22 '22

... and when he refused to repudiate white supremacy groups when directly asked at the presidential debate, then addressed the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by", AND THEN mobilized them to march on the capital on January 6 after he lost the election, is that all also made up by the media? I think the one being not very honest about Trump's tolerance and use of white supremacy groups is likely you.

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u/leftistesticle_2 Sep 22 '22

The enemy of my enemy is a broken clock that’s right twice a day

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u/_Dague_ Sep 22 '22

The bar is set that low that "he doesn't like the kkk" makes him the good guy.

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u/parkerm1408 Sep 22 '22

Absolutely not the good guy, just marginally less shitty haha

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u/_Dague_ Sep 22 '22

At least the guy in the Klan uniform gives you the courtesy of letting you know he is an asshole. Hiding behind austerity politics and American flag punisher skulls is more dangerous in the long run.

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u/counters14 Sep 26 '22

'You guys are making real Americans who like Trump and white patriotism look bad'

It just seems like he's upset about the optics of how it looks having mask off klan members present at a republican rally.

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u/bsurfn2day Sep 22 '22

Maybe it's time to ask the question "Should I be supporting a person who also has the support of the KKK?" I know asking for critical self reflection from a Trump supporter is a fools errand though.

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u/parkerm1408 Sep 22 '22

Baby steps I guess

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u/wvs1453 Sep 22 '22

He should tell Trump this

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

I think it's adorable that you think Trump listens to anyone.

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u/Nacho_Papi Sep 22 '22

Who would've thunk that the party of Nationalist Christians (Nat-C's) would have white supremacists among them?

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u/BigBastardHere Sep 22 '22

"There are good people on both sides."

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u/GMaharris Sep 22 '22 'MURICA

Are we supposed to give them a cookie or a parade for saying the KKK is bad? Jesus christ the bar is low for these people.

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u/TangentiallyTango Sep 22 '22

Yeah he'll say it's bad, and then vote for the KKK's favorite candidate.

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u/nub_sauce_ Sep 22 '22

Yup, the KKK directly endorsed trump in 2016

"yeah I don't like the KKK!!! Now excuse me while I go vote for the KKK's prefered politician"🤡

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u/poonmangler Sep 22 '22

Lol people already don't care that he's every fascist dictators' preferred politician for America.

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u/5k1895 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

This is the thing I don't get with these people. They're supposedly not racist on paper. They know hate groups like the KKK are bad. But here's the thing, your favorite candidate, and even your favorite political party, just so happen to be filled with those same people. Like you're standing side by side with them when you vote, they endorse Trump right along with you. Yet that doesn't make you question whether you're on the right side of history? So the only proper conclusion I can really come to is that there's a good chance that somewhere deep down, they're internally racist as well. Because how else am I supposed to interpret that when you willingly stand side by side with the racist bigots at the voting booth?

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u/TheFergPunk Sep 22 '22

I think the quote from the character Stormfront in the show The Boys sums it up well:

People love what I have to say! They believe in it! They just don't like the word 'Nazi.' That's all.

Same deal here. Chances are they'd agree with a lot of what the KKK has to say, they just don't like that they're dressed up in sheets.

The KKK is too transparent with the racism. They prefer the racism with the tiniest, flimsiest bit of deniability, like regularly accusing ethnic minority opponents of not being from the US.

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u/jmc198769 Sep 22 '22

Why can't the answer be that when you make a binary choice, chances are you will be in a group with people you don't agree with? I mean this type of reductive thinking is the reason there is so much division and animosity today.

The anti defamation league estimates only about 3000 actual klan members exist today, so to pretend that they have any sort of real tangible influence or power seems obsurd to me. (Admittedly this is the fruit of a quick Google search and the article is from 2016 but I would argue that is Trump era enough to be relevant.)

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/state-of-the-kkk

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u/TheFergPunk Sep 22 '22

Why can't the answer be that when you make a binary choice, chances are you will be in a group with people you don't agree with?

Nah bullshit understanding of the situation.

There's a difference between making one choice within a binary option (i.e. voting Republican instead of Democrat) and actively being a fan of a bigot which this guy is actively doing.

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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Sep 22 '22

What the fuck was he supposed to do about it? He can't stop anyone from "endorsing" him

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u/kgt5003 Sep 22 '22

In this last election there wasn't really a candidate who didn't get endorsed by racists. Richard Spencer famously endorsed Joe Biden. https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-campaign-disavows-richard-spencer-endorsement-2020-8

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u/Alaskan_Hamster Sep 22 '22

no. on reddit u upvote or downvote

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u/kspieler Sep 22 '22

But some people don't even make it past that low bar....remember, there are "very fine people on both sides."

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u/uber-chica Sep 22 '22

I get that, but I think that was like disproven since the edited out part of it.

Not that it makes Trump a great guy or something, but that thing with fine people including some racists was inaccurate.

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u/Professional_Turd Sep 22 '22

"And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

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u/KevinNashsTornQuad Sep 22 '22

Yes it’s that low.

A lot of people on the right either silently or vocally have no issue with things like white supremacy and racism. It would 100% be a good thing if more of them spoke up like this and helped kick them back the the curb where they belong.

I have a shit load of problems with Trump supporters but if there is one thing I can unite with anyone over it’s hatred of the KKK and similar groups.

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u/wtfeweguys Sep 22 '22

Not my favorite take. There will never be a world where wildly divergent views don’t exist. One of the best ways to find peaceful ways forward is to proactively identify where we agree. It’s fucking AWESOME that (some) Trump supporters are vocally antiracist. I’m totally with them on that. And when something we disagree with comes up (which is often) we can talk about that, too.

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u/The_Homestarmy Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

It's a load of bullshit. They can pretend to be violently anti racist but they're still actively supporting a racist motherfucker politically. And it's not even like a "he's the best of two evils" situation, they genuinely adore the guy.

You can't have it both ways. Despise the KKK or support the candidate who the KKK explicitly endorsed.

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u/RaisingFargo Sep 22 '22

Look, our side gets praised for adding a ribbon to a twitter profile picture. The bar is just as low for us.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Some people behind him looking around like

(Whoah dude relax, they're on our side)

I do commend this guy though.

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u/WillDisappointYou Sep 22 '22

Don't they play for the same team tho? *sarcasm*

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u/F_Twelve Sep 22 '22

The real question is, why are so many racists drawn to the Republican party and their current leadership. And why do they feel emboldened enough to start openly displaying said racism again after being closeted for the last few decades.

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u/illkeepcomingback9 Sep 22 '22

Racism is a conservative quality isn't it? Or at the very least you could say it is anti-progressive. All conservatives aren't racist, but if you're racist you are definitely conservative. At least in the classic sense of racism, the conscious "my race is better than your race" type. Not necessarily the subtle, subconsciously holds their purse tighter when a PoC approaches type of racist. But the conscious, self-aware racist is always going to be.

As to why they suddenly feel so emboldened to display it openly, I think its social media. Racists know there are a ton of other racists in the world now, they talk to each other. They have a place to say the quiet part out loud now, to people who will definitely agree. They're comfortable being open about it because they know with absolute certainty that they are not alone.

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u/Waderriffic Sep 22 '22

The KKK and Neo-Nazis haven’t been closeted, they just didn’t have the support from mainstream elected politicians until the Obama presidency. It used to be a liability for a politician to have ties to white supremacists Now it’s a bonus for a lot of conservative voters. Those groups have elected officials happy to whitewash their talking points and spout them at every opportunity. So now they have mainstream politicians doing the dirty work for them and weaving their ideology into conservative- tolerable soundbites that give them plausible deniability when they get called out. It’s fucked.

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u/youjerkfaceyou Sep 22 '22

They gave them special seating, that is why.

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u/Bad_Demon Sep 22 '22

They do, many hardcore KKK members have adopted the “freedom” and America first MAGA rhetoric cause its so good at being racist without saying slurs.

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u/satansheat Sep 22 '22

That’s not sarcasm they do.

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