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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/Uglyheadd Sep 22 '22

If I'm ever at a gathering for something, and KKK members, and Neo-Nazis show up to support the same thing, I am immediately wholly reconsidering my support for said thing.

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u/EggLord2000 Sep 22 '22

Stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

lmao

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u/Syzyz Sep 24 '22

Got ‘em looool

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u/Watered_bug Sep 22 '22

Sorry for my ignorance but what’s a Neo-Nazi

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u/Jack__Squat Sep 22 '22

A neo-nazi is someone who still believes in Nazi ideals post World War 2. They didn't actually follow Hitler during his reign but they still believe in the movement. The terms are mostly interchangeable.

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u/Tenkehat Sep 22 '22

I saw an interview with a old school WW2 nazi, lets just say he didn't have warm feelings towards the neo nazi movement.

If I remember correctly his words were something like: hooligans, bullies only in it for the violence... degenerates.

Just for the record the old nazi was a galactic scale cunt, no doubt about that.

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u/Table_Coaster Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

What you just described is a perfect example of cognative dissonance. We judge others on their actions but ourselves on the intent of our actions. Old Nazi probably thought “well I had legitimate other reasons to support the Nazi Party, but these neo-nazis are just full of hate,” completely ignorant of their own obvious internalized hatred

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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Sep 22 '22

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u/Table_Coaster Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

that’s the one! forgot the appropriate term for it

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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Sep 22 '22

I only remember it because it came up in conversation a week ago and it's still on my mind.

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u/Tenkehat Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Exactly. It's pretty brazen coming from a guy that was very very likely (but not proven to be) involved in war crimes.

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u/Thin-Study-2743 Sep 22 '22

Also the original Nazis before taking power were exactly that -- hooligans, bullies and the likes.

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u/Maria_506 Sep 22 '22

I don't think he disliked them because they were full of hate, he believed the things they believe, so I doubt he would see them as unnecessary hateful. It was probably because he thought they were just using his beliefs just to cause violence, behaving like huligans instead of being like proper Aryan members of society and fighting for Aryan supremacy like civilized Aryan people. Long story short I don't think hate was the reason he hated them.

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u/Dwychwder Sep 22 '22

"These new nazis, they're only in it for the hatred and violence, man. Back when I was in the war, we were in it for the patriotism, too."

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Sep 22 '22

It's a pointless distinction and it comes off as people saying "kinda nazi" -- People need to stop using it. They're Nazis. Just Nazis. We know what damn year it is and we don't need to make a disctinction between 1930s Nazis and 2022 Nazis unless we're talking about the 1930s.

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u/SCHEME015 Sep 22 '22

That's your interpretation. Neo simply means new. That's a very tangible distinction while the term still makes it very clear they are Nazis.

Nothing wrong with specific labels. Without them we wouldn't know what we're talking about.

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u/Grundelwald Sep 22 '22

Neo = new/modern , so basically just a modern Nazi.

It's kind of used interchangeably with white-supremacists.

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u/Pika_Fox Sep 22 '22

Nazis were white supremacists, so.

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u/thinkthingsareover Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Yeah but they're dead hence the neo part.

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u/Pika_Fox Sep 22 '22

Oh how i wish nazis were actually dead... Multiple governments, including the US, sheltered nazis. Not to mention nazis based their ideologies, racism and genocide off of that of the american south.

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u/SCHEME015 Sep 22 '22

Yet not all white supremacists are Nazis.

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u/Pika_Fox Sep 23 '22

Mmm, they kinda are. We like to white wash our history in the US, but our genocide numbers puts the nazis to shame.

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u/SCHEME015 Sep 23 '22

You seriously think that one genocide producing literal extermination camps was "put to shame"?

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u/Pika_Fox Sep 23 '22

Yup.... Again, we heavily downplay the utter genocide the US committed with chattel slavery and the massacre of the natives. There is a reason the nazis took after us in particular. White supremacists are nazis. The german nazis are just the most recent prominent example that we didnt white wash.

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u/SCHEME015 Sep 23 '22

You even double down. Dude. Don't do oppression Olympics. Don't go around saying holocaust survivors had it better than others. It's so shameful.

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u/Pika_Fox Sep 23 '22

I didnt say they had it better than others? The fuck did you get that from? Just that the scale of what the nazis did isnt the same as what the US did historically. Theyre all the same breed. Give white supremacists control, and you get genocide. Fuck, trump even started up the concentration camps on US soil again, and already started the dehumanization of the people there. The republican party is right there on the edge, ready to go full blown nazi the first chance they get.

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u/That_Set2217 Sep 22 '22

Tell that to neo-liberal

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u/Grundelwald Sep 23 '22

Huh?

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u/That_Set2217 Sep 23 '22

You said neo means new/modern... which I agree but it doesn't always fit the word. Lookup neo-liberal it'll surprise you.

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u/Grundelwald Sep 23 '22

Well, I think neoliberalism was probably coined in the latter half of the 1900s. Probably some Chomsky or Foucault era post-war thinker coined it I bet. (Too lazy to look up). But it's "neo" because the OG "liberal" ideology was basically the birth of American democracy and it's adoption through Europe etc. Then when the allies won, the world reoriented around the western democracy-capitalist framework. With the UN, IMF, WHO, etc. Neoliberalism is this modern rules-based international capitalist system. It's the modern version of classical liberalism.

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u/Uglyheadd Sep 22 '22

Here ya go:

https://youtu.be/1o6-bi3jlxk

A 3 minute video of a room full of them.

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u/SuaveThrower Sep 22 '22

People of today that subscribe to the Nazi ideology.

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u/ShameOnAnOldDirtyB Sep 22 '22

A modern day racist, a new Nazi, alt right bigot, they exist in Europe too sadly.

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u/Ben92 Sep 22 '22

It's just another word for republican

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u/ARightDastard Sep 22 '22

A bit of a reductivism, but correct far more often than not.

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u/lejoo Sep 22 '22

Nazi is a very specific political Party from Germany 1921-1945.

Neo-nazis are any group that adopts portions of that political parties' beliefs.

Hence, believing democracy should be replaced with a Christian nationalism form of government = neo-nazi

Believing the government has control over bodily autonomy = neo-nazi

Believing certain ethnic groups who are not white euro Christians are lesser people = neo-nazis

Believing in military build up rather than social programs = neo-nazi

Doing all these things after a failed coup attempt = very scary neo-nazis trying to go full blown 4th reich.

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u/evildonald Sep 22 '22

Neo roughly means "new"

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u/SCHEME015 Sep 22 '22

Not roughly but literally

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 22 '22

what’s a Neo-Nazi

Basically a Nazi groupie.

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u/Clay56 Sep 22 '22

Nazis who are really into The Matrix

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Sep 22 '22

It's what people who are afraid to call people Nazis call Nazis.

Seriously, though... They're Nazis. They're not Neo-Nazis. They're not semi-fascist. You either ARE or ARE NOT a Nazi and a Fascist. There's no need to distinguish between original Nazis and modern Nazis unless you're talking about history specifically.

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u/ndu867 Sep 22 '22

That’s a hard position to take. When people were marching for BLM in Portland and looters showed up, I could see why BLM supporters didn’t go home.

I can’t be 100% sure but I strongly suspect this is a ‘rules for thee but not for me’ moment.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Not necessarily. Every group has their morons. And to most people, the fact that people they don’t like also support the things they support doesn’t mean what they support is wrong. Take me as an example— the fact that there are so many absolute morons in the LGBT community doesn’t mean I’ll stop supporting LGBT rights.

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u/The_Hoopla Sep 22 '22

I sort of feel the same way with guns. I’m pretty progressive across the board, with the shrewd exception of gun ownership.

Every time I go to a gun store, or see some pro2A event on TV, I am inundated with absolute dipshits that I disagree with on almost every issue except this one. I’d be lying if it didn’t give me a “are we the baddies?” moment quite a few times.

At the end of the day, the reason I own guns is fundamentally different reason than they have, and I believe lines should be drawn at different places than they do, but the end result still lumps my position in with theirs because of the incredibly binary nature of this debate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Precisely. This is why the electoral systems in so many countries just don’t suite people like you and myself. I’m pro-business, anti-regulation, and pro-LGBT rights. In my country, the UK, I’m trapped. The Tories pretty much want to genocide me for being trans, but the LGBT crowd calls my family ‘capitalist pigs’ and want to steal our properties. I imagine you’re facing a similar situation.

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u/The_Hoopla Sep 22 '22

Yeah, it’s sort of a similar situation.

A great example is the odd dichotomy that many of my similarly progressive friends in the states have:

  1. The police state is corrupt and you absolutely cannot count on the police to protect you.
  2. You should not own a firearm because the police will protect you.

Or

  1. The United States is too stable to even tease the possibility of a civil war or fascist take over, invalidating the need for anything more than a bolt-action rifle.
  2. The Republicans are actively embracing fascism and, if given the chance, will throw away democracy to instill a Christian Nationalist Theocracy.

It’s just annoying having these conflicting platforms.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

And to me, the dichotomy is more often like this—

  1. The Christian theocracy hurts women and LGBT people, so we must stand against Christian nationalism

  2. Islam fundamentalism should be accepted as a part of our society, and it’s their right to teach their children conservatives ideas

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u/The_Hoopla Sep 22 '22

Also a very fantastic point. Conservative religion is toxic. Inherently.

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u/xX_ToRcHeS_Xx Sep 23 '22

Guns are for protecting ourselves, be it from the govt or criminals (the first of the two being the most important)

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u/bulboustadpole Sep 22 '22

Ah, guilt by association. North Korea uses it too, good system.

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

Granted, it's a rally to support cancer research

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u/napex86 Sep 22 '22

I love listening to metal. There are assholes also who listen to metal. Should I stop listening to it then? That's your logic

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u/bleepblopbl0rp Sep 22 '22

Does metal music have a leader and a coordinated following who all vote the same way and believe the same things? No? Then your taste in music is nothing like a political movement.

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u/SuperSuperKyle Sep 22 '22

That's not an apt comparison. It's more like, there are some asshole BMW drivers. I drive a BMW. Should I stop driving it?

For this to work, it would have to be like, I'm in the Nazi party, but I have Jewish friends. I just don't want them murdered. Should I leave the party?

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u/Butwinsky Sep 22 '22

I think he means more like a gathering for a politician or a cause, not an entertainment venue.

If the KKK or Nazis show up to support your politician, or to support your social movement, you should probably take a moment to reflect why that is.

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u/MangledSunFish Sep 22 '22

Right? Nazi wannabes show up to punk shows all the time, and usually get the shit kicked out of em, but they still show up. By their logic, I should stop going to punk shows.

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u/f_h_muffman Sep 22 '22

They claim there is no such thing as a punk who is a nazi, but then make a catchphrase out of the term, “nazi punks”

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u/MangledSunFish Sep 22 '22

"nazi punks fuck off" was the song, right?

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

No, but you might want to be informed about why they listen to metal. You might also want to make sure that the bands you support don't support those groups.

Notice the "reconsidering" not "abandoning"

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u/Uglyheadd Sep 22 '22

Thank you.

Ffs I don't have the energy to go through and correct 60+ comments.

I said reconsider— not turn on a dime and drop everything like a hot rock because I saw one white hood or swastika.

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u/jakemakesbeats Sep 22 '22

Lol so if the KKK came out and said they’re against animal cruelty, would you seriously reconsider being against animal cruelty?

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u/Spankybutt Sep 22 '22

Why would a white supremacist organization change their ideals such that they make a statement to include animal cruelty?

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u/rooplstilskin Sep 22 '22

They need to create scenarios that never happen to own libs.

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u/CEU17 Sep 23 '22

Here's a real scenario Richard Spencer a prominent neo nazi is pro choice because he believes minority women are more likely to abort should liberals say we are abandoning our pro choice stance to avoid siding with Nazis or say our reasons for supporting abortion rights are very different and move on.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 22 '22

The direction I would have taken responding to Jake would be to criticize his illiteracy. Ugly specified "gatherings", not "website announcements".

change their ideals such that they make a statement to include animal cruelty?

IIRC the Nazis actually passed some anti-animal cruelty laws.

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u/Spankybutt Sep 22 '22

Yes but they ran a whole-ass government. The KKK has only one very-specific mission statement

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 22 '22

The KKK has only one very-specific mission statement

I was curious if they actually had a mission statement. You've got to read this, it's hilarious:

Character and Objects of the Order

This is an institution of chivalry, humanity, mercy, and patriotism; embodying in its genius and its principles all that is chivalric in conduct, noble in sentiment, generous in manhood, and patriotic in purpose; its peculiar objects being: First, to protect the weak, the innocent, and the defenseless from the indignities, wrongs, and outrages of the lawless, the violent, and the brutal; to relieve the injured and oppressed; to succor the suffering and unfortunate, and especially the widows and orphans of Confederate soldiers. Second, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and all laws passed in conformity thereto, and to protect the states and the people thereof from all invasion from any source whatever. Third, to aid and assist in the execution of all constitutional laws, and to protect the people from unlawful seizure and from trial, except by their peers in conformity to the laws of the land.

"generous in manhood". Are we still doing phrasing?

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u/Spankybutt Sep 22 '22

Just seems like a blatant strawman. But you’ve made your projection pretty clear

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u/Spankybutt Sep 22 '22

What makes you think I don’t? You’re projecting again

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u/I_am_trying_to_work Sep 22 '22

Lol so if the KKK came out and said they’re against animal cruelty, would you seriously reconsider being against animal cruelty?

Yeah no I can totally see that. It would probably come right after they denounced white supremecy.

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u/toilet-boa Sep 22 '22

Is that the issue you think the KKK is concerned with?

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u/treestick Sep 22 '22

it's an issue hitler was

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u/toilet-boa Sep 22 '22

Way to stay on point!

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

Well they are Neo-Nazis so one would assume they also campaign against Tobacco and animal cruelty

Otherwise they're just wish.com Neo-Nazis

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u/treestick Sep 22 '22

they're both white supremacists...

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u/toilet-boa Sep 22 '22

One’s a dead person. The other is part of an active group of White Nationalists in American politics that support Trump and the GOP. I’m only concerned about one of them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

And both carry similar viewpoints, moral standards and ideologies. The correlation here is obvious.. who is or isn’t dead is irrelevant to the point being made

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u/toilet-boa Sep 22 '22

Sigh. The topic was a certain group of people showing up to support Trump. This isn’t a “make a correlation” class.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

LMAOOO Look who can’t stay on point now!!

You said (paraphrasing): “You think animal cruelty is the issue the KKK is concerned with?”

So you see, Hitler was against animal cruelty and the KKK share a lot of viewpoints and beliefs with Hitler and look up to him, and so naturally, a lot of KKK member also share his views on animal cruelty. It ALSO demonstrates that the KKK being racist doesn’t mean animal cruelty can’t be a concern of theirs, since Hitler is also evil and racist and was concerned with animal cruelty. It’s not that hard to see why the correlation is relevant, I can’t believe I had to explain this to you like you’re a damn 9-year-old 🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/toilet-boa Sep 22 '22

Hahaha. Yes, they also wear clothes. WTF are you talking about?!?! Racists like Trump because of his positions and policies, which they see as aligning with theirs on issues of race. Jesus, it’s not some random correlation. That’s why they dress up and proudly identify as racists at Trump rallies. They are not there because they like his position on energy policy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

You’re pretty dull if you don’t see the correlation

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

Well if the KKK was against animal cruelty that would technically make them a better organization that Peta

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

I mean, yeah, I'd wonder why they were at the same anti animal cruelty protest or event I was at.

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u/Goldentongue Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

You're ignoring the ability to factor in why they're there and what ideological components overlap.

A conincidental alignment on ideas that have nothing to do with their bigotry doesn't reflect on anyone else any more than the fact that both groups breathe oxygen.

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u/gordita_brunch Sep 22 '22

Hahahaha. No doubt.

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u/KTOAU Sep 22 '22

So using your logic, if those said people showed up at let's say, an anti-murder rally, would you now change your support and say murder is good? Smh at some of your logic on this website.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 22 '22

Smh at some of your logic on this website.

How ironic.

reconsider: "consider (something) again, especially for a possible change of decision regarding it."

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

That’s pretty juvenile lol I’m sure every KKK member to ever exist has at least 1 viewpoint that they share with you

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Nope.

If they said water is good I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Lmaooo! Again, that’s pretty juvenile and brain dead but to each their own. You don’t have to hate everything racists like to hate racists LOL

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If they said we need sunlight to live I'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

I think you would just tell them to go fuck themselves if they approached you

Which is a perfectly reasonable thing tbh

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Now you're cooking with gas!

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

Fuck you

I only use charcoal or wood

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u/Explicit_Tech Sep 22 '22

Do you do that when a small amount of pedos show up to a pride event?

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

Yes, people call them out and reject them.

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u/SpacemanTomX Sep 22 '22

Literally yes

Nothing is more of a deal breaker than a literal pedo

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u/willy_joose Sep 22 '22

I go to lots of heavy metal and punk rock concerts. There is always a group of em that show up, push their way to the pit, they usually don't stay too long cuz everybody will call them out and shoving wars break out. Love it when the band on stage calls em out to security, watch em leave all broken with the crowd cheering.

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u/Thunder_Bunny59 Sep 22 '22

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u/Uglyheadd Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Spencer endorsed and voted for Biden

Just like the time he pretended to support Zionism. Clown car full of trolls.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 22 '22

In August, Spencer said that he was planning on voting Democratic because "the liberals are clearly more competent people."

I love that they think this is an own. IIRC Spencer voted for Biden because he thought "Trump was so incompetent, he'd lead to the downfall of Western Civilization."(paraphrased)

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u/ntrpik Sep 22 '22

I have a hard time believing Spencer voted for Biden when his VP was Harris.

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u/Explicit_Tech Sep 22 '22

Do you do that when a small amount of pedos show up to a pride event?

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u/JustPassinhThrou13 Sep 22 '22

Well, I for one would be VERY relieved if every Catholic decided that they disliked pedophiles enough to stop donating to a church that protects them. And at any Catholic event, the person most likely to be the pedophile is the person standing at the front leading the thing.

If you could show that at a Pride event, any particular person had a particularly high chance of being a pedophile, and that others there KNEW this and decided to put that person in a position of authority... well, then that’s when I would start taking you seriously.

But as it is, you’re just trying to say that consenting adults having sex that that you don’t like is somehow pedophilia. And all that means is that you’re bad at reading, or fond of lying but really bad at it, or that you’re truly an imbecile.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

You’re putting words in their mouth. They didn’t say anything about LGBTQ+ individuals being pedophiles, they said there are certainly a small amount of pedophiles that show up to pride events, because when you get enough people in one place, a handful of them are bound to be. Their entire point was that just because there’s pedophiles at an LGBTQ+ event, doesn’t mean supporting LGBTQ+ is supporting those pedophiles and it doesn’t mean LGBTQ+ are pedophilic. But that point went RIGHT over your head and then you tried to accuse THEM of being bad at reading 💀💀 Massive L

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I am aware of the trends, but that’s not what was happening here! There is NO reason to assume that’s what he meant, you COMPLETELY misinterpreted his comment you damn fool 🤦🏼‍♂️ It’s so obvious what he was getting at. That’s why he said the “SMALL AMOUNT” of pedophiles at pride. If he was insinuating that LGBTQ+ people were pedos, he wouldn’t have said a SMALL AMOUNT. Reading comprehension fail…..

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Oh my god, you really saw “pride” and “pedo” in the same sentence and LEAPED to conclusions….. Take a fucking phonics class bro, I’ve explained what he was getting at and you still don’t get it 🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Damn you really just admitted to jumping to conclusions and interpreting his entire sentence based on two words, ignoring the context completely. Alright, at least you admit you’re a fool 💀🤣

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u/makingthisfor1reason Sep 23 '22

Na just groomers I think

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u/ClinchEastwood Sep 22 '22

But like, what if it was a puppy adoption fair?

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u/Responsenotfound Sep 22 '22

Fuck that. Do what the Punks do when they show up to shows.

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u/You_gotgot Sep 22 '22

There are KKK members on both sides. Racists, bigots, transphobes, etc.

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u/smeeding Sep 22 '22

I've wondered about this and the early punk scene

Punk isn't specifically ideological (other than being generally anti-authortarian), but imagine how much it would suck to go see a band you're really into, only to discover that violent shitbag skinheads also really enjoy them. Gross.

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u/Designerbro Sep 23 '22

At a time some pedo group tried to align themselves into the LGBTQ+ community but they did a pretty good job of denouncing them and not letting them derail their whole movement.

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u/Hefty_Tendy Sep 23 '22

Someone out there is going to catch on to this and start pretending to be a KKK member at rallies they don't agree with.

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u/Captain-Overboard Sep 23 '22

There's this prominent white supremacist named Richard Spencer who has said that's he's pro-choice because it's mostly blacks and Latinos who get those in the US. Are you wholly considering abandoning all your principles (i'm assuming you're pro-choice, because this is reddit) and becoming anti-abortion now?

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u/makingthisfor1reason Sep 23 '22

Your never gonna support anything then lol. These types attach to both sides

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u/Icy-Requirement-4111 Sep 23 '22

So go to a blm protest and do the same thing. I was a leftie until I went to one of the Indy protests back in 2020. Fucking disgusting behavior, but when a trump supporter calls out racists, all we can come up with is “grrrrrr I’m mad that I disagree with this person so he’s wrong.” Legitimately childish.

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u/swiftekho Sep 22 '22

It's not me that is wrong! It's them! They should stop supporting my candidate!

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u/Thereisnocomp2 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

So just to be clear, putting on white sheets with holes in them and showing up to support you is enough to make you discard your beliefs?

How strong were your beliefs then? Do you not see the potential for PsyOps that can be run? I am completely confused by the lack of critical thinking—

I don’t even have to be a KKK member i just have to appear as though i am and show up to support you and I get you to abandon whatever ideal you are touting.

Do you see the problem here?

Edit: Downvote dont respond. Classic cowardice.

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u/pileofbrokenbits Sep 22 '22

Do you see how that could leave you open to manipulation? How much do you think a KKK robe costs? How much is a Confederate flag? For a very very low dollar amount, your opinion could be changed for you by people who think you're too stupid to think for yourself. Never associate with people like that, but don't take every pointy hat or Confederate flag at face value either.