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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/Were-watching Sep 22 '22 Silver

This needs to happen more.

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u/xActuallyabearx Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

Yes, but what needs to happen even more is him stopping to wonder why the kkk keeps showing up to support his buddies. Curious 🤔

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u/chilidoggo Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22 Gold

You know what makes the KKK not show up to your events? When you tell them straight up that you do not want them there.

From the 2020 debates

WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?

TRUMP: Sure, I'm prepared to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

WALLACE: Then do it, sir.

BIDEN: Do it. Say it.

TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?

WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.

TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what: Somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem — this is a left-wing problem.

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u/Shermthedank Sep 22 '22

They loved their new slogan so much they had tshirts made.

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u/LouisLeGros Sep 22 '22

We are all domestic terrorists.

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u/Kaeny Sep 22 '22

Reminds me of the KenM meme

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u/Burster55 Sep 22 '22

Clapping intensifies

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u/KnockoffJesus Sep 22 '22

I remember listening to that with my at the time republican dad and it just sent chills down our spines. You just can't do that man

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u/chocolateEuropeo Sep 22 '22

You just can't do that man

He did. And he almost won again :(

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u/IndependentEmergency Sep 22 '22

He didn't win the first time, either. :[

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u/ZarqxKombat Sep 22 '22

As much as I hate him yes he did win lol

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u/carmichael109 Sep 23 '22

I suspect they're referring to the popular vote which he lost both times.

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u/Mi-willy Sep 23 '22

Ah yes the people’s vote, the one that should matter, but doesn’t.

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u/mutherfucker_jones Sep 22 '22

The sheer amount of votes he got is shocking but he still got smoked in the election.

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u/90daylimitedwarranty Sep 22 '22

Yup, he literally told them to "stand by"

Ask a Trump supporter about this. They will NEVER give you an excuse. All they do is project. "What about the racist groups Biden supports" is what they'll say or some nonsense like this instead of ever addressing their lord's clear cut racism.

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u/MrPoopieMcCuckface Sep 22 '22

Don’t let them deflect. Make them answer and tel them after you will answer for what joe said. They will never have anything specific on joe

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u/90daylimitedwarranty Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

You cannot. I've talked to two Trumpers I know in person over the years and literally would not answer one question. EVERY answer was to deflect. Refuse to answer anything no matter how many times you point out "you're simply reflecting and not answering anything. Absolutely refuse.

Asked one of these guys "what about the racism?" and he literally said "what racism?"

They live in an alternate reality. Literally.

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u/probablyagiven Sep 22 '22

that's when you insult them, their intelligence, their honesty and their integrity. fucking lying degenerates

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u/BoydCrowders_Smile Sep 23 '22

Yeah there is a breaking point where they "They go low we go high" method that just doesn't work, and we've been way past that for a while.

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u/EliteSnackist Sep 22 '22

To advocate for the devil, after Charlottsville he did condemn white nationalists and neo nazis, but the only part that gets discussed is when he said the "fine people on both sides" comment. The immediate follow-up to that was "I'm not talking about the neo nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally", but it was still reported that "Trump called neo nazis 'fine people'".

This article illustrates my point very well. The headline is flat out wrong, even if you believe Trump would defend white nationalist, he explicitly didn't.

Trump has done plenty of piss poor crap, don't get me wrong, much of which is worthy of condemnation. But, I'm not sure how much his condemnation would matter. I'm not saying that he just shouldn't condemn evil people, he absolutely should, but even when he does, news articles claim that he didn't. I don't believe for a second that Trump isn't egomaniacal enough to not condemn evil people just to piss people off after that. Obviously that's the wrong move, but Trump seems to win with his base anyway. Either he condemns evil people and his "mainstream media" lies about it, which gets his base riled up for him, or he doesn't and now he's trolling the libs and they love it too.

He wins either way.

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u/IndependentEmergency Sep 22 '22

I like how racist the President supposedly is, yet he chose a black woman for his vice president, and he worked with our first black president. He so cleverly hides his racism by pretending to be Obama's friend.

Thanks a lot, Obama.

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u/Ye_Old_Sniffer Sep 22 '22

I sometimes wonder if he meant to say "stand down and stand aside" and just bungled his sentence. But that doesn't really matter when he's too prideful or vindictive to correct himself on a mistake, a la covfefe.

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u/Donovan1232 Sep 23 '22

Nah i saw a pretty funny one. Somw dude on youtube said he really meant to say stand down and just had a "slip of the tongue". I want to be able to laugh at them but considering these people can vote and put him back in power its not really that funny anymore

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u/TheBelhade Sep 22 '22

Telling somebody to stop what they're doing is "stand down". "Stand by" means to await further orders. He obviously do is that on purpose hoping no one would know the difference.

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u/Jonnny Sep 22 '22

Not to mention saying "Stand down" is to issue orders, implicitly acknowledging you're the leader of their shitstain "movement" wannabe.

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u/A_Canadian_appears Sep 22 '22

It's also possible he's just a moron who can't string two words together with any kind of competence.

But yeah, that was wild

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u/Watertor Sep 22 '22

The hard part is accepting he's not a moron. He's the cheapest, laziest bastard you can imagine. But he's not an idiot. Everything he does and has done for the past 20 years has been thoroughly pageantry to do exactly what he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.

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u/A_Canadian_appears Sep 22 '22

Multiple types of intelligence. He's a clever grifter, but he's very dumb in other ways.

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u/mnmminies Sep 22 '22

Very dumb. No smart person signs a bill strengthening laws around taking classified documents that don’t belong to them (just to get back at their political opponents) only to then, after multiple warnings from advisors and lawyers, go and take hundreds of the most classified documents. Yes, he knows how to grift with the best of them, but if he actually was smart he would have sold masks with his face and name on them and told his supporters “we’re all in this together.” He could have easily been re-elected if he just stopped tweeting and took COVID seriously. Everything that is happening to him is his own fault.

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u/eveningsand Sep 22 '22

TRUMP: aloof? No, I use a washcloth.

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u/OffensivelySqueamish Sep 22 '22

I remember this. I couldn't help but laugh out loud. This was the exact OPPOSITE of the intent of the question. Instead of marginalizing the threat he escalated it. Absolutely insane. I still can't believe he wasn't thrown out of office. Liberals and progressives have sought the middle ground so much the "center" is really the "right" and the "right" are really just fascists.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

He disavowed and denounced white supremacists dozens of times, only the left media wouldn’t shut the fuck up about it pretending he’s been secret buddies with this tiny minority group

https://youtu.be/RGrHF-su9v8

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u/Potatolimar Sep 22 '22

You'll notice he disavows David Duke, the KKK, but never white supremacy as a whole. He's "prepared to" but he never does. He dodges the white supremacist question usually. He says he has; I think he genuinely thinks he has.

He denounces white supremacists that cause violence at 2:14.

His wording is a bit weird. He says he's prepared to. He says he has. He condemns portions of the group. He says "the nation must" but never him specifically. He condemns white nationalism. He says he's concerned about it and will do something about it.

They're not buddies, but it's like he has some weird curse on him that he can't outright say it.

I'd say his intentions seem clear, even if his words are not technically saying it. It's really a level of pedantry you only see in court and on reddit.

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u/DieselMcblood Sep 22 '22

Well why would he tell them to stand by? stand by means await further instructions.

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u/chilidoggo Sep 22 '22

The full context? This segment started with a question to Biden about the recent BLM protests, and a focus on left-wing violence (that's why it transitions from that in the beginning of the quote). This is the full transcript if you don't believe me. Here's what Biden said for his piece:

I’ve made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted, and anyone who commits it should be prosecuted.

I'm also aware that Trump has, in several interviews, denounced white supremacy, racists, and similar things. But you can also very easily find moments like this where he is being, at best, vague about how he feels about it. It's not like it's hard to say you dislike violence and white supremacy. Not hard at all...

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u/theonlydidymus Sep 22 '22

You’re calling someone out for nitpicking but didn’t bring any receipts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Yeah all you need to do to stop the KKK is tell them you don't want them there.

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u/Fantastic_Engine_623 Sep 22 '22

My exact thought. He's mad that they're there but never asks himself why.

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u/LordoftheScheisse Sep 22 '22

Jumps into a pool

"Why the hell am I all wet?"

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u/PresOrangutanSmells Sep 22 '22

If only he'd yell the same thing at his presidential picks.

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Sep 22 '22

He knows why: He's mad that they make him look blatantly racist, instead of being able to be quietly racist like he usually is. He still votes for the same candidate they support, for the same reasons.

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u/Portugal737 Sep 22 '22 Silver Gold

Are you insinuating that there are no bad people who share the same beliefs as you?

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u/Prtyvacant Sep 22 '22

Bad people vs the fuckin KKK and Nazis? Even tankies aren't on that level and tankies are fucking terrible humans.

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u/SpeculativeFiction Sep 22 '22

They also HATE democrats, and basically view them as republican-lite at best. They aren't showing up supporting political rallies, lol.

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u/Bennyboy1337 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I've never seen a KKK group show up at Star Trek fans event, just saying.

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u/RichestMangInBabylon Sep 22 '22

Klingons, Klingons, Klingons!

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u/sockbref Sep 22 '22

I’d go to more Star Trek conventions with my friend Punchy McHands

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u/Notsozander Sep 22 '22

That event had security right? Cops even?

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u/Deeliciousness Sep 22 '22 I'll Drink to That

Not necessarily, but if it smells like shit everywhere you go, it's probably time to check your shoes.

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u/TheVulfPecker Sep 22 '22

It’s easy to denounce the neo Nazis outside of CPAC… from inside of CPAC… on a stage shaped like the Othala Rune…

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u/I_Envy_Sisyphus_ Sep 22 '22

"We're all domestic terrorists."

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u/Y_signal2020 Sep 22 '22

...and invited open fascists like Viktor Orban to speak.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

"We are all domestic terrorists!"

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u/chasteeny Sep 22 '22

When you're blue but live in Kentucky -

Sir and or madame, it smells like shit everywhere

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u/B4DD Sep 22 '22

That sounds well and good, but our binary system funnels all belief. I don't know if anyone in this post has a terribly nuanced ideology, but when you're forced onto one side of a line or another, you can't help much with who else is on your side of the line. Further, does Islam smell like shit for its disproportionate share of extremists?

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u/dolphins3 Sep 22 '22

Further, does Islam smell like shit for its disproportionate share of extremists?

Genuinely weird that you thought this was good gotcha line.

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u/B4DD Sep 22 '22

Not really a gotcha. Just a reframing.

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u/dolphins3 Sep 22 '22

It only makes sense as a reframing in this context if Islam was on the Dem side in your analogy. It's not.

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u/P1Kingpin Sep 22 '22

All religions “smell like shit” as you put it. Crazy is crazy, especially when they believe in the same god.

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u/thatsillyrabbit Sep 22 '22

Sound like you're the one with a binary thinking issue. The last sentence was completely unnecessary. In the West we have Islamic extremism shoved down our throats by the media constantly. But they are a very small percentage of the overall population. By historical standards Christian crusades, church backed colonialism via missionaries, and political extremist has held much worse extremism issues than Islam. Not even touching the rabbit hole of past Cold War actions that caused for most of the Islamic extremist in the world today being funded from traditionally Christian nations in anti-Soviet/anti-West proxy wars decades ago that have crippled the regions economical, political, and culture systems.

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u/B4DD Sep 22 '22

You've illustrated my point beautifully. Sometimes it's fine to put an ideology in a box or on one side of the line. Sometimes it's much more nuanced, as you've made clear above.

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u/whatever_yo Sep 22 '22

I think the problem people have with your last question is that it's loaded. The proper question would have been "does religion smell like shit," which would have been more accurate and less baited.

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u/RhynoD Sep 22 '22

Disproportionate according to what metrics? Are you ignoring all the Christian extremists that have been blowing up abortion clinics? Are you ignoring all the Muslims who are caught up in the extremism around them and have never had the exposure to know better? Are you counting the leadership that professes to be Muslim in order to get support for their unrelated extremist beliefs? Are you counting "Christian" leadership that does the same?

By what metrics are you making this judgement?

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u/Call_Me_Pete Sep 22 '22

I don’t think MAGA ideology and following is anywhere near as diverse as Islam, though

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u/Mana_Transfer Sep 22 '22

" if you don't vote for me you ain't black"

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u/dern_the_hermit Sep 22 '22

What makes you think the previous posters share that belief?

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u/Mana_Transfer Sep 22 '22

"poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids"

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u/Mana_Transfer Sep 22 '22

Or how about when he tried to stop the desegregation of bussing to school cause his kids would grow up in a racial jungle

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u/dern_the_hermit Sep 22 '22

How about your reason for believing the previous posters share those beliefs? Why do you think that represents "their side"? Anything? Bueller?

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u/BestPseudonym Sep 22 '22

That's a cute sentiment, but if you're applying it to groups as large as the two major political parties in the United States, everybody's shoes are covered in shit

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u/PiratePinyata Sep 22 '22

Nah, I’m sure a bunch do, but I never had the KKK show up at the same event as me 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/bkwilcox100 Sep 22 '22

This is not the same as a bunch of Nazis just happening to like the same movie as you. When you break it down, the modern GOP and extremist hate groups follow some of the exact same lines of thinking. The main difference is the level of radicalism.

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u/NeverNude-Ned Sep 22 '22

100%. You said what I was going to comment in a much more concise way. Trump emboldened the extremists and the republicans that don't consider themselves racist all at once, and the latter refuses to see the through-line because no one wants to think of themselves as the bad guy. Hence, the guy in this video.

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Sep 22 '22

The main difference is that they wear white hoods to show their support for the Republican platform, and he wears a MAGA hat to show his support for the exact same fucking evil platform.

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

If the KKK is in your corner regarding your political beliefs, it might be a sign that you need to think about why they're there and reevaluate who and what you're supporting.

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u/Portugal737 Sep 22 '22

I would hope that, by my username, you would assume I live no where near the US, support no US political party, don’t vote in US elections. I’m not backing the KKK, the guy in the video, the other side of the political party you guys are trying so hard to defend lol. But I get it, someone makes a comment that doesn’t directly support your point of view, and he’s a KKK loving racist

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u/GiddiOne Sep 22 '22

someone makes a comment that doesn’t directly support your point of view

The "your" in crastle's comment isn't directed at the commenter above. It's used to demonstrate a theoretical person's argument for use as an example.

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

the other side of the political party you guys are trying so hard to defend lol.

Found the problem. Democrats didn't care too much for Biden in 2020 and don't work too hard to defend him now. It's just that when your only two options for lunch are a loaf of bread and a bag of moldy diarrhea, most rational people will take the bread.

It's not that people love bread or anything. But the irrational people LOVE and will treat the moldy diarrhea as a gift from God, so they assume that the people who chose the bread feel that way about their choice too.

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u/FranksRedWorkAccount Sep 22 '22

Did you accidentally hit reply to the wrong comment or have a stroke or something? I cannot being to understand why you replied what you did to the comment you did.

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

Same thing goes for ANTIFA.

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

Yup. The racists are bad and the people who fight racists are also bad. Makes sense.

Damn Aunt Tifa!

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

If terrorists/Rioters/Thieves "fight" racists, then all their sins shall be erased, I guess.

Yeah, you are so far gone past the point of no return to sense.

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

terrorists/Rioters/Thieves

I thought we were talking about Aunt Tifa. When did we switch to the January 6th terrorists?

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

Damn, the whataboutism game is strong with you, huh?

Both groups are terrorists/ Rioters. Thieves is Antifa only, though but it's ok because their momma needed a 4k TV so they needed to steal and break shops (included 'black owned')

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

Damn, the whataboutism game is strong with you, huh?

That's rich coming from the guy that brought up antifa (which is very loosely even an organization at all) when we were talking about the KKK.

I'm done with you. Feel free to have the last word. Make it count!

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u/Col__Hunter_Gathers Sep 22 '22

Thieves is Antifa only

Yeah there's no way MAGAts would steal stuff during their riot... Clearly only Antifa steals things /s

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

“What about antifa!?!?”

“The whataboutism game is strong with you”

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u/BigMrBones Sep 22 '22

I'm sure you'd be a redcoat calling patriots terrorists when they were at the boston tea party.

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

And you sure would've called out the looters and told them , firmly, to "please don't take more than 10 000 dollars worth of things.". I can play this game too, you see?

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u/BigMrBones Sep 22 '22

You're a dishonest fuck. That doesn't even make any sense. You're not playing any game. You're just a moron who is out of his depth and has zero critical thinking skills.

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u/LordoftheScheisse Sep 22 '22

You don't know what antifa is.

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

The same thieves who looted and stole millions from people, while hiding behind BLM. look up the organizer before talking.

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u/LordoftheScheisse Sep 22 '22

What "organizer?" BLM is a movement. If there was an organization capitalizing off of that movement, that organization is entirely unrelated to the movement. I, and the vast majority of people who support Black Lives Matter have never supported nor are likely even aware of an organization claiming to represent the movement.

edit-oh man your comment was even dumber than I'd thought. I thought I was replying to a different thread. You're now conflating BLM and antifa? Jesus Christ Fox News has done a number to the dumber members of our country.

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u/ApartmentPoolSwim Sep 22 '22

I love how someone says you don't know what Antifa is, then you respond by telling them to look up the organizer........ So you don't know what Antifa is.

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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice Sep 22 '22

If you share the same beliefs as a Nazi, it's time to take a good hard look in the mirror.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

you make a fair point, but there's a threshold when you're the only one calling out the bad people. Personally I hate lumping democrats as one giant demographic cause we're pretty diverse. However anybody who calls themselves a democrat will definitely call out other democrats for acting like pieces of shit.

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u/zveroshka Sep 22 '22

You seen any Biden rallies with Nazi flags?

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u/Better-Director-5383 Sep 22 '22

I’m insinuating that the entire kkk and every white supremacist in the country doesn’t share my beliefs yes.

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u/NULLizm Sep 22 '22

there's bad people and then there's the KKK. "bOtH SidES liberals have these mean teenagers that cosplay in all black and get in fist fights while the right has an organization that used to lynch people, and very likely still do they just don't advertise it. why are they the same?"

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u/bored1414 Sep 22 '22

While I agree with the sentiment on this whole comment section basically, I just want to point out that it actually used to be the other way round if you go back in history.

The democrats used to be the super racist ones and it was actually conservative / republican who first abolished slavery, at some point in time the two just done a full 180 and swapped roles. It’s weird.

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u/Sinnaman420 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Conservatives were called democrats and liberals were called republicans but that doesn’t mean conservatives abolished slavery…

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u/NULLizm Sep 22 '22

Yes the only people that deny the sides switched are Republicans, which is the actual weird part. Knowing the Southern Strategy though should make it make more sense. You just have ask yourself who is flying the confederate flag still to this day and cries whenever a slave owner statue is taken down?

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Anytime someone (a Republican) argues this, I ask them how many Democrats they know who are waving the Confederate flag.

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u/bored1414 Sep 22 '22

Yes precisely. you’ve got to be brain dead to think the roles haven’t reversed in todays world. I’m pretty sure it’s the same in every country, here in the uk it defiantly is.

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u/ball_fondlers Sep 22 '22

Republicans weren’t conservative during the Civil War. Lincoln is the one politician Karl Marx endorsed.

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u/Super-Dragonfruit348 Sep 22 '22

O wow, so were pretending the pro-slave Democrats of 1865 is anything like the Democrats of 2022??? You're playing that bullshit game??? As if everyone doesn't know that Democrats today are the liberal, progressive party??? Really??? You're doing that?

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u/kkeut Sep 22 '22

what a strawman. get a clue

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u/Super-Dragonfruit348 Sep 22 '22

Here is Trump refusing to denounce KKK support from David Duke pretending like he didn't know who the KKK are.

https://youtu.be/kavMlQ0lgjo?t=21

Now please tell me why would people who support Trump vote for Trump when he won't denounce the KKK???? Pretty please.

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u/Portugal737 Sep 22 '22

It says I can’t watch that video in my country. I do believe you on the contents of the video though, because I wouldn’t put it past Trump, and I’ve also heard others speak about that as well.

To answer your question, I don’t know why people would vote for him, and I also don’t know who the right person to vote for is. My comment wasn’t in support of either side, and I believe people think that it was.

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u/xgrayskullx Sep 22 '22

Not at all. Random assholes can show up to any public function. Like those fuckwits that show up on every college campus telling people they're going to hell for whatever reason.

When the same assholes show up to every function, that should start to raise eyebrows. When the same assholes aren't made unwelcome, that should start to raise eyebrows. When they asshole in charge calls them "good people", that should get you the fuck outta there.

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u/xActuallyabearx Sep 22 '22

Oh no. I’m a massive piece of shit, for sure. I’m just not a racist dumb fuck.

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u/SafewordisJohnCandy Sep 22 '22

Pizza is good, I like pizza and I'm sure there are KKK members and other white nationalists that like pizza.... See, that's dumb.

But if in supporting one candidate and the KKK loves that candidate, then maybe I should re-evaluate my support and question why they like him as well. But if the KKK likes everyone I like, then maybe I'm rolling around in shit with the pigs.

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u/xActuallyabearx Sep 22 '22

Wait, YOU like cheese pizza?! I also like cheese pizza!! Small world, huh?

Wanna go burn some Jews now?

-this guy probably

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u/blendedfarley Sep 22 '22

Not the KKK

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u/SpeculativeFiction Sep 22 '22

None? Of course not.

But the violent extremists on the right don't just share opinions with more normal Republicans, they make up significant portions of political rallies, they get elected, they pass bills and appoint judges to curtail the rights of others, and the are supported and courted by prominent right wing politicians.

No crimes Republican politicians commit appear to matter to their party or their base. Support never changes, and self-policing is a myth. The only thing that seems to lose Republican's their support is to come out as gay or trans.

Democrats have issues too, but generally speaking, criminals and people with various scandals lose support from their party and their base. Hilary dropped quite a bit in the polls when the investigation was re-opened before the election, despite lack of any substantial new evidence. Trump's has basically never been effected by anything he did, or was accused of.

Extremists on the right aren't a fringe group--they are who the party is marketing and appealing to, almost across the board.

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u/AboutTenPandas Sep 22 '22

Your attempt to broaden the scope is either misguided or purposefully distracting. This wasn’t just some random belief that is so ubiquitous that everyone probably shares and it just so happens that the KKK and trump supports fall into the same overlapping parts of the venn diagram. This is a political protest/rally that the KKK decided to show up to in full dress to show their combined support.

So to answer your question, no one is saying that there aren’t any bad people that believe the same things as them. But if one of the ideas or politicians they believe in and are championing politically has an extremist hate group show up to it in full uniform and act like they’re on the same side, then most people would definitely re-examine their beliefs.

To not re-examine is to admit that your political and societal beliefs are so in line with an extremist hate group that they felt the need to come out in force to show their support publicly.

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u/slc97 Sep 22 '22

There are bad people who share one or two of the same beliefs as me. However, I do not attend rallies and events that 100s and 1000s of bad people flock to and then wonder why all the people who support the same things as me are making me look bad.

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u/LordLlamacat Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

No. They are insinuating that there are no people with bad beliefs that share their own beliefs.

There are ecoterrorists that share my beliefs. They are bad people because of the terrorist part, not the eco part. You seem to be insinuating the KKK are only bad because of the violence they enact and not the racism they believe in.

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u/MsJSoul Sep 22 '22

Are you insinuating the current major fascist threats to democracy in America aren’t damn near all contained within the right wing?

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u/mrtrailborn Sep 22 '22

I actually think they're specifically insinuating that if literally every racist group in the country supports a candidate/party because they think he's a hero who will save the white race, you might want to double check whether the candidate you're supporting is a huge racist. Like Trump. Huge racist/bigot, supported by neo nazis and the kkk. So like, I dunno, maybe it was about race when Trump was talking about stopping Mexicans and Arabs from entering the country.

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u/filenotfounderror Sep 22 '22

Bad people share every political view I'm sure, but its a matter of degrees. How many dems do you think are in the KKK percentage wise?

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u/grendus Sep 22 '22

There are plenty of bad people who share the same beliefs as me.

And ever time I run into another one, I stop and double check my beliefs to make sure that the overlap is merely coincidental. The worse the person is, the closer I look.

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u/TheodoreOso Sep 22 '22

Nice strawman, brah. We got a scarecrow making competition on r/fuckoff you should join

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u/Seva-Hunter Sep 22 '22

Yea bud, that’s totally it. Take this downvote for an obviously stupid question.

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u/Portugal737 Sep 22 '22

Oh no.. a downvote..

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u/BigMrBones Sep 22 '22

If that's what you picked up then you need to brush up on your critical thinking skills.

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u/MistaBuldops Sep 22 '22

You’re the only person making any sense in this thread. I didn’t even vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, but to insinuate every republican is a fascist, nazi, antisemite or racist is just absurd.

We’re in a 2 party system and this guy’s party championed someone that I have a lot of beef with…. That doesn’t make the whole party into a cult.

We, as a country, really have to stop dealing in absolutes because that logic cuts both ways and eventually it’s gonna bite everyone in the ass.

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u/Portugal737 Sep 22 '22

Honestly, if more people had your mentality, so many problems would be solved. It such a huge divide, where I feel people really can’t even talk to one another calmly or normally if they don’t share the same political party. In all fairness, the people in charge are doing a great job keeping that divide between us, but with your mentality we could break that divide.

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u/fried_eggs_and_ham Sep 22 '22

Baby steps. Maybe he'll get there.

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u/WolfsLairAbyss Sep 22 '22

Remember that video of those trump supporters riding around in a golf cart yelling white power and trump called them great people? I'm gonna guess that's why.

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u/Willberforcee Sep 22 '22

Clearly they were sent there by the democrats to make Trump look bad.

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u/quadmasta Sep 22 '22

How come every time I'm in the kitchen, you in the kitchen?

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u/SomeFakeInternetName Sep 22 '22

I'm not saying trump is a white supremacists, but he does say a lot of things white supremacists agree with.

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u/Umutuku Sep 22 '22

If you have to tell the Nazis that they can't be at the front of your march then you're at a Nazi march.

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u/madk Sep 22 '22

Always reminds me of the shot from Simpsons, "Fox News not racist, but #1 with racists"

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u/actingjuice Sep 22 '22

You can support the same policy for different reasons. The Maga crowd supports border security to make sure people immigrate legally. The KKK support it because it limits the amount of other ethnicities allowed in the US. The two things have been conflated for years now.

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u/cheeky-snail Sep 22 '22

to make sure people immigrate legally

That’s why the MAGA crowd is against Desantis’ stunt when he lied to and flew immigrants to Mass. who were legally asking for asylum, oh wait, what?

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u/timc74 Sep 22 '22

Did you know that the Marthas Vineyard group were all here legally?

What they did to them was hatred and abuse.

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u/Dobalina_Wont_Quit Sep 22 '22

MAGA wants a wall and for Mexico to pay for it. They don't want comprehensive immigration policy. That may be the realm of traditional conservatives, but MAGA isn't taking a reasonable policy position.

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u/Stupid_Triangles Sep 22 '22

Yeah, great in theory, not in practice.

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u/Ravip504 Sep 22 '22

Yea but trump loved open borders Biden’s deported millions more alreqdy and is seizing 11x the fentanyl that trump did

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u/moldyhands Sep 22 '22

And what about when Trump sought to remove the ability for someone to sue a lender or builder where you could evidence that housing discrimination was occurring, even where there weren’t blatantly obvious practices of discrimination? Trump IS a racist. He just doesn’t wear a hood.

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u/Huck_Bonebulge_ Sep 22 '22

Easy conflation to make when Trumps words are so vague, and has everybody chanting “BUILD THAT WALL”

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u/The-link-is-a-cock Sep 22 '22

to make sure people immigrate here legally

Then why do so many call for a complete shutdown of the border and want no reform for the system?

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u/canIbuzzz Sep 22 '22

What? Most hardcore maga scum I've seen doesn't want any immigration, legal or not. Hell they vocally support shitstain desantis's recent purely racist political stunts. They were here legally. So fuck off with your bullshit trying to separate maga from KKK, besides a few dumbasses, they are one in the same.

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u/emsyk Sep 22 '22

But the MAGA crowd supports NO immigration. They don't even want it done legally.

Edit: no immigration from anywhere except european countries.

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u/HjoBanahogg Sep 22 '22

They want the same things for the same reasons. The KKK is just a more self-honest subset of the MAGA crowd

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u/xActuallyabearx Sep 22 '22

Lol nice. Outing yourself as an ignorant racist is the best self burn.

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u/Labulous Sep 22 '22

How many KKK people are you guys meeting in your lives?

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u/burnertown666 Sep 22 '22

Back in 2017, there was a KKK sign hung up in the square of a town I lived half a mile from which was then followed by a mixed bag of vocal supporters and protesters of the sign. If you live in the rural south, it is not a stretch to say you know someone who is a supporter and/or member of the KKK or another white supremacist group, you just may not know it. For instance, it is suspected that my grandfather was a member of the KKK between the 2nd and 3rd interations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-northern-georgia-a-kkk-banner-seemed-to-some-a-sign-of-the-times/2017/03/12/de5a3518-05bd-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 22 '22

If you attended trump rallies regularly, im certain the number would be much higher than the average.

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u/Dr_Smoke123 Sep 22 '22

Sooo.... how many trump rallies have you been?

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u/AdvancedInstruction Sep 22 '22

The number is unfortunately greater than zero in my life.

But I also was once a literal traveling salesman.

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u/TruthRealized123123 Sep 22 '22

Personally, 0. On internet though, quite a bit.

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u/Kurzilla Sep 22 '22

Well none that are wearing the hoods IN FRONT of me.

But I can't discount that I've probably met one.

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u/take_care_a_ya_shooz Sep 22 '22

I can't imagine being upset that extremist racism is a tiny fraction of what it used to be, do you guys want progress or not?

The number of hate groups in the United States peaked in 2019 alongside a surge in hate crimes. Hell, there were more assaults against Muslims in 2017 than there were in 2001.

Saying that extremist racism is a "tiny fraction of what it used to be" is a bit disingenuous when you consider how much it spiked in recent years compared to years prior.

Fortunately, we're seeing a decline since the Trump years, but it never really went away. It just went mainstream.

Also...the "KKK" is often just a catch-all term for a white supremacist group. When people bring up or protest the "KKK", it's not like they're targeting them specifically and ignoring the rest...it's symbolic of the movement as a whole.

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u/DMindisguise Sep 22 '22

FYI people aren't downvoting you for stating facts, it is because you're dumb enough to assume people genuinely believe the KKK is massive.

Great info though.

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u/Panda_Magnet Sep 22 '22

70+ million vote lock-step with the KKK

You're basically saying "there couldn't have been a lot of Nazis because most Germans didn't wear swastikas!"

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u/eeyore134 Sep 22 '22

Or maybe they need to realize that their movement attracts the KKK for pretty obvious reasons and maybe rethink their lives altogether. In fact, I would say the resurgence of the KKK is directly their fault and they are continuing to fight for things that will just make it worse. It's like the elephant man screaming at the dog-faced boy for making people think they're freaks... while at a freak show.

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u/reallywhocares82 Sep 22 '22

What, Trump supporter propaganda hitting the front page?

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u/rupturedprolapse Sep 22 '22

And a comments section trying to argue that "well sometimes the KKK agrees with you too probably, totally just a coinkydink they're there."

Astroturfing really got turned up to eleven again.

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u/therager Sep 22 '22

Astroturfing really got turned up to eleven again.

First post hitting the front page since "The Donald" was shut down, trying to humanize a Trump Supporter vs. 99% of other posts supporting Biden

Redditors: OMG...THIS IS ASTROTURFING!!1!

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u/rupturedprolapse Sep 22 '22

If you don't see the sudden shift in the comments sections the last month or so, I envy you.

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u/therager Sep 22 '22

the sudden shift in the comments sections

Comment sections what's promoted (or astroturfed) on the front page.

Also, I'm sure you're also aware the admins for 99% of the subreddits remove any comments they disagree with politically.

To argue this one post or recent comments (that eventually get removed anyways) are "astroturfing" is absolutely laughable.

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u/rupturedprolapse Sep 22 '22

Yeah, this is predicated on having not experienced this multiple times on reddit with Ron Paul, Sanders, Tulsi and Trump in the comments section. It comes on strong all of a sudden and then flatlines.

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u/Lumen0602 Sep 22 '22

The "Let them fight" moments like this.

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u/Yontevnknow Sep 22 '22

He knows not to support terrorism, but his brain is still catching up to why they are there.

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u/Ehrre Sep 22 '22

If the right took a hard stance against racism the left would gladly back them up on a lot more things.

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u/WhosUrBuddiee Sep 22 '22

Trump supporters fighting with eachother?

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u/bolshe-viks-vaporub Sep 22 '22

What does? A clearly staged video where they say they're yelling at the kkk and yet the kkk is conveniently never shown?

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u/pragmadealist Sep 22 '22

Trump could have set an example any time over the last 8 years and has repeatedly chosen not to.

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u/TheGreatPrimate Sep 22 '22

What? Trump supports not understanding that Trump's a racist too? Fuck, he had a racist tweet within the last 24 hours. I for one would like to see the KKK dude after that rant, arr they confused?

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u/BoltgunOnHisHip Sep 22 '22

He's mad at them because they're making his group look bad on TV, not because they're racist.

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u/posterguy20 Sep 22 '22

I am indian and my family voted for trump. When I tell them that some of the people you voted for don't even consider you human they ignore it and start quoting how corporate tax went up 8% when biden got elected.

Then again, they are Hindu nationalists so I can see why they still like trump, lol.

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u/IntellegentIdiot Sep 22 '22

This needed to happen 6 years ago and on a large scale. One random Trump supporter disavowing the KKK is a drop in the ocean, especially when the man himself welcomes it. If this guy is against KKK support then why support a guy who openly encourages it.

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u/originalschmidt Sep 22 '22

No, what needs to happen is that people need to realize they are on the same side as the KKK and reevaluate their stance.

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u/TimidTurkey_321 Sep 22 '22

It does happen more. Most Trump supporters are against things like the KKK, you've just successfully been brainwashed into thinking this isn't the norm when Trump supporters are involved

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u/thissideofheat Sep 22 '22

It happens a lot - it just doesn't get reported.

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u/GlueGuns--Cool Sep 22 '22

yeah i wonder why it doesn't.....................................................................

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u/MileHighSoloPilot Sep 22 '22

Southern dude here, it’s way more common than you would think. Everyone hates the KKK

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u/mrdriftty Sep 22 '22

It won't tho - because most of their views align

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u/Dr_Crayon93 Sep 22 '22

This does happen "more"

What needs to happen is MSM needs to stop spotlighting the noisy few. I've known hundreds of right wingers. Not one was racist nor supported the kkk.

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u/ApartmentPoolSwim Sep 22 '22

As someone who has lived in the south, bullshit. 100% bullshit.

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u/Mediocre__at__Best Sep 22 '22

Problem always comes back to the fact they still vote to keep an inherently racist, bigoted, prejudiced, destructive and anti progressive party in a position of power, or in the position for an opportunity to be in power. They can infight all they want, but the conservatives ideology is backwards, hate filled and harmful, so I really don't have the patience for anyone who has been duped into voting in that manner.

It's nice that some conservatives might not like this group, but there's something to be said for the fact that hate groups affiliate and associate with right wing politics.

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