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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

He should still take a moment to reflect on some things. He might not agree with them but you would think it would be worth him also considering why they are on "his side."

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u/ilovecraftbeer05 Sep 22 '22

This is what I don’t understand about Republicans. If every self proclaimed white supremacist organization supported the same political party that I do, I’d be switching parties real quick.

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u/PorQueTexas Sep 22 '22

That's the only reason I went Biden and Hilary the last two rounds. The wackjob people way out in right field are actually influencing the party. As much as I am against the democrats economic stances, I can't side with hate.

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u/ilovecraftbeer05 Sep 23 '22

I feel that. I don’t like the Democratic Party either but holy fuck, how can you sanely side with the party of insurrection, alternative facts, and christofascism?

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u/PorQueTexas Sep 23 '22

Right, it's against what I feel are core values of this country.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

"But why skulls? Hanz... are we the baddies?"

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

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u/ilovecraftbeer05 Sep 23 '22

I feel you but if your favorite bar became a well known hangout spot for Nazis, you’d stop going. Unless you are also a Nazi. But if you’re not, you wouldn’t want to be around or be associated with Nazis. So, assuming you have any sense at all, you’d stop going. Even if the only other bar in your town kinda sucks. But at least it’s not full of Nazis.

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u/jeffriestubesteak Sep 22 '22

But voting for them is an endorsement of all things they do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

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u/Worldisoyster Sep 23 '22

No he votes WITH the KKK.

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u/Panda_Magnet Sep 22 '22

You're arguing as if you didn't know the GOP took away women's rights and have claimed there's more rollbacks planned.

Either you don't know, and have nothing to contribute, or you do know, and are purposefully sabotaging an intelligent conversation.

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u/GreyCrowDownTheLane Sep 22 '22

You're right. You don't understand. And count yourself lucky.

Being on the same side as the KKK, Stormfront, and other Nazis and fascists and fans of authoritarianism, racism, sexism, and bigotry is the appeal of the party for them. What they're upset about is not what those groups stand for, but the fact that they're not coy or subtle about those beliefs.

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u/ilovecraftbeer05 Sep 23 '22

That’s the only conclusion I can come to. If a party attracts you and the same party attracts a large number of Nazis, then you might also be a Nazi because, presumably, you all share at least some of the same fascist principles.

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u/mike3394 Sep 22 '22

You realize there are many different reasons individuals may like a presidential candidate, right? For some, it can be as simple as wanting a strong leader as opposed to what we have now

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u/intashu Sep 22 '22

Yes, because the massive insecurities that Trump displayed daily truly project strength...

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

Explain the appeal of Trump.

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u/Panda_Magnet Sep 22 '22

Women had their right to private medical consultation taken away, and the GOP has told you they want to erode more rights.

Your comment ignores super basic reality that's happening around you. Just like your comment didn't mention a single fact or event or anything relevant.

No one gives a shit about your 'what if', we're here to discuss the here and now.

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u/aziatsky Sep 22 '22

because they are lied to. its probably how he was raised. its difficult to break out of that, especially when everyone on the "correct side" hates your guts.

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u/HeartlessPastry Sep 22 '22

This is unreasonable. There are spectrums of beliefs. Democrats are supported by extremist leftists. They love communism and reject the mass death caused by it in the 20th century. They're no different than a nazi, or a holocaust denier. It doesnt mean every democrat is a mass-murder loving commie.

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u/Mattias_Nilsson Sep 22 '22

They love communism

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no different than a nazi

tell me you failed history class without telling me you failed history class

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u/Meep3r Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

70-80 million people died as a result of world war 2 and at least half of those can be blamed on hitler so who actually failed history here? Also, the Soviet Union lasted like 8 decades. The nazi were literally about to genocide the entirety of Eastern Europe if they won. The soviets were shit, but to compare them to the nazis is complete historical illiteracy which is sadly too common nowadays.

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u/HeartlessPastry Sep 22 '22

What a ridiculous thing you just said. Soviets prosecuted jews and religious people. They wiped out entire ethnic groups, and enslaved anyone who dare oppose them. They imposed famines on less desirable ethnic groups. Regardless of it being "peacetime", ~50 million of their own people lay dead by 1990. Nazis and communists are vile, and anyone who defends communism is no different than a nazi or a holocaust denier. Same shit, different team.

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u/CankerLord Sep 22 '22

"Bu-bu-but they used to vote for the democrats 80 years ago."

  • Idiots who don't realize what happens when time passes.

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u/Dang1014 Sep 23 '22

Let me preface this by saying I am by no means a republican, but there's only 2 real political parties to choose from...

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u/WeightFast574 Sep 22 '22

"I'm not racist, but I also do not support redistributing everyone's property and money either."

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

It’s possible to be conservative without being a white supremacist. It’s the majority of them.

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u/crastle Sep 22 '22

Voting for Trump doesn't mean that you're racist. It just means that racism isn't a deal breaker for you.

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u/GiddiOne Sep 22 '22

It should make you wonder why those people feel so comfortable showing up at the same rally as you.

The chants at Charlottesville and the lack of condemnation afterwards was the line the republicans crossed which signaled it was ok. Perhaps long before then? But Charlottesville was the most obvious and public example.

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u/Super-Dragonfruit348 Sep 22 '22

Yeah, this ^. Charlottsvile Rally side 1: actuall Nazi's and KKK and white supramcists. Side 2: liberal's and ANTIFA (who only exist to stop Nazi's FYI)

Trump said: "There are very good people on both sides".

Trump praised actual Nazi's, KKK and white supremacists. It does not get anymore obvious than that.

Also the constant racist ant-Mexican things Trump says. Really super obvious Trump is racist and ALL his supporters love it when he says racist things about Mexicans and all people from Latin and South American countries.

Don't pretend like being a Trump supporter is not also supporting racism. Just because you're not in a white hood and throwing burning crosses into peoples yards, does not mean you're not racist.

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u/wareagle3000 Sep 22 '22

And to anyone that says he says racist shit for the sake of reinforcing his voters. He has a long history of racism long before his most recent presidential election and overall just being a classist fuck.

He was one of the big leaders pushing for Obama's birth certificate and has repeatedly insulted and fired hispanic staff.

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u/Jabahonki Sep 22 '22

You’re so full of it. Go watch his speech in its entirety. Stop with the bs misinformation… he never said what you’re implying. Wake up.

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u/jtgyk Sep 22 '22

The racists all thought he was on their side. Because he was, is, and will always be.

Wake up.

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

Me and you agreeing on 1+1=2 doesn't mean that we agree on all topics. Tf is this trash logic.

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u/flyfree256 Sep 22 '22

You're equating thinking 1+1=2 to fighting for white supremacy when it comes to political affiliation?

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u/ScaryPerformance3872 Sep 22 '22

Some Trump supporters are ani immigration. KKK most likely are. you have an overlap of both demographics. Same for KKK and Malcom X. Both wanted segregation, but for different reasons, if followed, would lead to different worlds.

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u/Shirlenator Sep 22 '22

Maybe you should be asking yourself why your ideologies have so much overlap with neo-nazis and white supremacists, then.

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u/SchlongMcDonderson Sep 22 '22

Honestly, for most of them I think it's just that they don't recognize racism that isn't overt. I don't think I know a single conservative who understands systemic racism.

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u/unforgiven91 Sep 22 '22 Gold

which circles right back around to making you racist.

If you're not anti-racism, you're pro-racism there's no middle ground

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u/BLIND0825 Sep 22 '22

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

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u/unforgiven91 Sep 22 '22

an Absolute statement made by a jedi

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u/shit_update Sep 22 '22

Sometimes a sith usually likes to deal in mostly absolutes, but not always

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u/Broodwarcd Sep 22 '22

I used to deal in absolutes. I still do. But I used to, too.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Sep 22 '22

"The Sith tend to deal in absolutes more than most groups judging by historical precedent if I had to try and categorize their general belief system and how they emotionally process and externalize situations"

It's a bit more wordy but I think a much better piece of dialogue for a movie.

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u/Y_signal2020 Sep 22 '22

Jedi stood by while the Senate fell under the influence of a Sith Lord and pushed away their most promising student necause he was too hungry for knowledge. They were useless elitists.

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u/BLIND0825 Sep 22 '22

It was a joke....

*woosh

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u/imnoctrnl999 Sep 22 '22

only children live by made up quotes in a movie with made up characters and a made up story. oh wait, you listen to jordan peterson. this makes sense.

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u/Fop_Vndone Sep 22 '22

Literally using a kid's movie quote to justify racism

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u/BLIND0825 Sep 22 '22

It was a joke and it apparently triggered the fuck out of you, maybe take a breather and stop thinking about politics every hour of every day.

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u/squashhime Sep 22 '22

"it's a just a joke" - every conservative who says something stupid and is immediately proven wrong

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u/BLIND0825 Sep 22 '22

Welp, you're even dumber than you look. I'm no conservative, maybe don't spout shit out your mouth like a broken septic tank.

Extremist liberal douchebag loser.

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u/Crabby-GenXer Sep 22 '22

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

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u/-RichardCranium- Sep 22 '22

the most chronically online take. take a good hard look at politics from a real-life standpoint instead of parrotting quotes from shitty movies.

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u/DankPwnalizer Sep 22 '22

Really enjoyed thinking about your comment. So funny how both sides are convinced the other side is racist and they arent

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u/toolsoftheincomptnt Sep 22 '22

Incorrect due to oversimplification.

Best,

A Black Woman.

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u/whereisfoster Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

idk man, what if you just grew up in a super multi-cultural city and just don't give a fuck about color of skin, but just harshly upon character.

i dont support racist people, but i dont go around screaming i hate white people (im a white guy)

i felt pretty middle ground, ya know

edit: all these people calling me racist. what.

child hood best friend - japanese main love of my life - mexican military best friend - black

i speak partial spanish.

actions speak louder then words.

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u/innocentrrose Sep 22 '22

Dude it’s not that lmao. You don’t need to scream you hate white people just because you don’t support racism? That’s the most idiotic take I’ve heard, it’s also racist lmao.

It’s more like if you’re voting and hanging out with people who are fairy openly racist, then you’re racist/most people see you as one.

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u/ThatOneStoner Sep 22 '22

Screaming that you hate white people is racist. Being anti-racist doesn't mean being colorblind. It means standing up against racism in all its forms. Not caring about people's skin color is the least anybody can do. Either you're actively speaking out against racism in all its forms, or your silence is helping the racism. This is one of those rare instances where there really is only 2 sides.

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u/RawPaperButtPlug Sep 22 '22

You are a racist person. If you feel you're the middle ground you're delusional as well.

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u/unforgiven91 Sep 22 '22

apathy towards racism is tacit support of the status quo, and support of that racism.

"Look, I'm not pro-fire. but I wouldn't put out a fire if I saw it. It has every right to exist"

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u/Stormlightlinux Sep 22 '22

It's not about screaming that you hate white people. It's about not standing idly by when you see racist shit go down. On a macro level it means acknowledging the systemic issues in our country and voting for people who will address them. On the micro level it means not tolerating even soft racism in your social circles. Actively calling it out, and frankly making people who say and do racist things feel unwelcome, uncomfortable, and unliked.

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u/Fop_Vndone Sep 22 '22

This is just a long way of admitting "I'm a racist"

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u/Own_One_1803 Sep 22 '22

Nah you’re not radical enough. Off to the gulag (I fully agree with you)

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u/HI_Handbasket Sep 22 '22

Racism is a spectrum. If you don't hate racists, it doesn't make you a racist, maybe just racist adjacent.

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

A big issue is where we end up in the cultural conversation when we call every conservative or republican a racist. We balloon and flanderize the term until it means nothing, then the other side tunes out and we polarize and get nowhere. Calling everybody who voted for trump racist is not only irresponsible, it shows a lack of understanding of who these people are. Your average republican is a good, decent human, just as your average progressive. Be vehemently anti-racist, yes, and I am, but be accurate and specific when you are.

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u/unforgiven91 Sep 22 '22

But where do we draw the line?

If supporting a racist isn't racism, then what is?

I agree with you that overusing terms can water down their meaning just like "woke" means nothing nowadays. But there has to be a line

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

I just wouldn’t assume someone is racist, even knowing they had voted for Trump. Conservatives are going off the fucking deep end, and I think part of it is that the left simply refuses to speak with anybody that voted for trump. They can’t engage with leftists, so they end up in right-wing echo chambers. Not that it’s the left’s fault, these idiots voted him in, but many of these people do what we do: vote our side no matter what.

That’s what I mean when I say accurate, allow them to be racist before you accuse it, or you’ll look ridiculous. I’d draw the line with real examples of an individual being racist. However small of a percent of trump voters exist that are reasonable, normal people, we lose them entirely when we’re so accusatory.

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

Explain to me the appeal of Mr Twice Impeached.

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u/HI_Handbasket Sep 22 '22

I asked my father-in-law that question, and his response was "He's good with money." Good with money yet went through 6 or 7 bankruptcies and no bank in America will lend him money...

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

No appeal, he’s a shit president full stop.

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u/RawPaperButtPlug Sep 22 '22

If you support the racist party you're a racist. You're not an anti racist... you're an apologist for racists.

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u/Avalon420 Sep 22 '22

Your average republican (sic.) is a good, decent human

When they support banning books? When they're against LGBTQ+ rights? When they don't think that a quality education and healthcare are human rights?

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

They ban books because they believe pornography is being read to children. Right or not, that’s what they’re told. Hardcore Christians are anti-same sex marriage, many other republicans are in favor. They favor the marketplace taking care of those needs, I imagine most republicans would be against the government protectionism that jacks up healthcare prices. I do think most republicans believe every child should be able to pursue quality education. We should also distinguish between republican politicians and the voting base themselves.

They’re good decent people when they work hard, contribute to society, and take care of their friends and family. A third of the population aren’t acolytes of Satan sent to destroy human rights, they’re just people.

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u/RawPaperButtPlug Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

They ban books and have book burnings but don't compare them to the Nazis the idealised!!!! It's the lefts fault they're racist too!!!!

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They're ignorant racist hypocrite pieces of shit.... full of hate for others based on the colour of their skin, place of birth and consensual adult sexual preferences. The fact that's your definition of decent says a lot about you.

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

All of them are? Or the people that did that are? Everybody wants to complain about polarization in our politics, but nobody wants to stop contributing to it.

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u/HI_Handbasket Sep 22 '22

Your average republican is a good, decent human

Got any proof for that apparently ridiculous statement? A good, decent person might be able to overlook a candidate's overt racism, or overlook a candidate's long history of sexual assaults, or dismiss him bragging about assaulting multiple women, or not care if a candidate openly and publicly lusted after his own daughter, or not care that a candidate was involved in thousands of lawsuits for not paying his contractors, or ignore multiple bankruptcies, or gloss over a candidate who stole from a children's cancer charity, or operated a fake university to defraud thousands of people... but to support a candidate who has done ALL of that, and worse??

No, no "good, decent" person votes for a shit human like Trump. Unless your point is that they were completely ignorant of all that, but I find that hard to swallow.

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u/Harbingerx81 Sep 22 '22

So, if a conservative isn't racist, but is presented with a choice between a racist conservative and a liberal of any type on the ballot?

Think about what you would do. Is there ANY situation in which you would vote for a conservative political candidate when you know they are against every political position you have?

I bet you'd overlook a LOT of moral and ethical flaws as long as a candidate supports your political views if they were your only option and I highly doubt you'd ever be willing to vote for someone 180-degree-opposed to your views, just because you don't personally like your party's pick.

There absolutely IS a middle ground. Racism isn't the number one priority for MOST people.

Also, this 'anti-racism' shit is, itself, racist.

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u/Fop_Vndone Sep 22 '22

And if racism isn't a deal breaker to you, that makes you a racist

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

If racism isn't a deal breaker for you, then you're probably racist.

We are what we tolerate.

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u/zveroshka Sep 22 '22

Which to be real makes you racist.

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u/chasteeny Sep 22 '22

I think its more complicated. Lots of uneducated folks who don't understand racism that aren't overtly racist. Thats the real issue with why structural racism is so hard to combat

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u/CyberneticWhale Sep 22 '22

Except not really, because the vast majority of people that support him aren't saying "Yeah, he's racist, but that's ok," they're saying "He's not racist."

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u/IreallEwannasay Sep 22 '22

How can it be when you're rabidly supporting a man who got sued for racist housing practices in the 70s?

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u/reallywhocares82 Sep 22 '22

Which would make you a racist. You cannot support racism without being a fucking shitbag racist yourself. Trump supporters are racists. I fucking hate them and you should too.

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u/willy_joose Sep 22 '22

"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black."-racist president that wasn't a deal breaker for the other half

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Voting for Trump doesn't mean that you're racist. It just means that racism isn't a deal breaker for you.

Can you break that down for me?

Last I checked, people voted for Trump because he was the Republican in the race for president. A large portion of those voters think racism is a deal breaker, but find the idea of Joe Biden even less appealing. Even more deal breaking.

Biden has been... Okay? as president but he's missing a bit cognitively. I'd have rather seen a sharper Dem win but the Dem party is controlled by other means. The second Sanders started to win states every other candidate immediately dropped and endorsed Biden. They take their chance but in the end they bow at the feet of their masters. Same deal with Hillary.

Edit; You guys are hilariously short sighted. All you see is Trump and no bigger conservative picture. Trump literally put the pieces in place to overturn Roe v Wade. Can conservatives LOOK PAST RACISM to OVERTURN Roe? Yes.

I don't think conservatives are the only ones capable either. I think liberals could look past some history of racism if it meant a restructuring of the judicial system in favor of Dems, and I dunno.. guaranteed Universal Healthcare..

To say "I could NEVER look past someone's racism." and go vote for "non-racist" Republican? I don't see a lot of people doing it. Welcome to America. Where we "got rid of racism" years ago yet casually accept many forms of it in modern society.

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u/okwowverygood Sep 22 '22

You aren’t fooling anyone.

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u/innocentrrose Sep 22 '22

So In your eyes conservatives find joe Biden a bigger deal breaker than racism?

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u/onlyonebread Sep 22 '22

Yes? Seems pretty obvious to me. Joe Biden has a bigger effect on most conservatives' lives than racism.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Sep 22 '22

Ding Ding Ding Ding.

Of all the responses, this one understands.

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u/RawPaperButtPlug Sep 22 '22

Trump has had a record of racism since he was a child working for his piece of shit racist slum lord father. You live a piece of shit that's been racist his whole life.

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u/thissideofheat Sep 22 '22

Maybe some people think avoiding economic collapse is more important?

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u/CaptnKnots Sep 22 '22

You do remember during the beginning of 2020 when the red guy was president and the economy collapsed right? Or in 2008 when another red guy was unable to stop a housing market crisis?

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u/thetriplefault Sep 22 '22

I think something else happened in 2020 that might have played a greater role in the economic turmoil that followed.

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u/CaptnKnots Sep 22 '22

But the argument was which guy was gonna handle it better, not who started it. Why does trump get a pass cause it’s covid, but Biden doesn’t?

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u/thetriplefault Sep 22 '22

True.

I’d say they both get a pass here.

Then again you could make an argument that Trump’s COVID handling contributed to the prolonged economic downturn.

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 22 '22

Considering trump was already presiding over an economic downturn, at least compared to the numbers he inherited, before covid, its fair to say he really wasn't some economic savior. You would need to go back a long time to find a repub who actually puts up solid economic numbers, especially compared to dems. These stats are widely available too, so I have no idea where "repubs are good for economy" is coming from, considering the gathered stats on the comparison shows that to be obviously wrong.

People get a temporary 1% tax decrease and laud snake oil salesmen as the next coming of christ, this shit got old 20 years ago.

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u/ever-right Sep 22 '22

No it's not.

Conservatives had an opportunity to vote for so many other candidates in 2016. Candidates with proven track records, qualifications, endorsed by the NRA, pro-life groups, and all that jazz.

They picked Donald Trump, whose main quality was that he was more bigoted than anyone else on the stage. And whenever you asked conservatives about it he had a 90% approval rating among them. They liked him. It wasn't a "hold your nose and vote for him."

You dream.

It was not that long ago that this country had segregation. Those people didn't just disappear. They didn't change their minds. They had shitty kids and raised them to be just as racist and they're here, voting.

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u/nighthawk_something Sep 22 '22

And why did they like him? "He told it like it is"

Which is ironic because he's a serial liar with no coherent message except one: Bigotry is ok

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u/jtgyk Sep 22 '22

I had a friend who said this to me and I replied "but he lies all the time" and we haven't spoken since. They like the racist things he says, definitely. All the lies don't matter.

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u/SpiritJuice Sep 22 '22

I think it's disingenuous to leave out that Trump was an anti-establishment pick, which made him more appealing to some than his long time career politician opponent. Turns out he was more corrupt than any career politician and didn't do anything to "drain the swamp" like he promised, which was a factor in him losing the election.

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u/chainmailexpert Sep 22 '22

Except he was a known piece of shit then. He was a billionaire who was known to have fucked his own employees. I’m not sure what made him seem anti-establishment. I think it’s giving too much leeway to idiots who voted for him on little basis.

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u/SpiritJuice Sep 22 '22

I'm repeating myself in my replies, but pretty much when you compared him to his opponents both R and D, he was an outsider and anti-establishment. Him being a corrupt real estate mogul was either overlooked or a non-factor for voters.

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 22 '22

Anyone who spent 5 minutes looking into trumps history coulda figured out how poor a choice he was, even compared to a fucking bush. He is a conman with known mob ties, plenty of bankruptcies, shady business practices, and to top it all off, he is blatantly fucking stupid.

They picked him because he said shit out loud that they didn't know they could. That sentence probably covers 80% of his voterbase.

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u/SpiritJuice Sep 22 '22

I don't disagree with your statement about Trump's past, but reducing the reason he won down to Trump being a loud bigot misses the whole picture.

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 22 '22

The bigotry is just a part of the "they didn't know they could". Him being a raving lunatic who easily spreads lies and conspiracies baselessly is another part. Him openly supporting violence and encouraging it against "out-groups" is another. Theres plenty that goes into it.

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u/Fop_Vndone Sep 22 '22

In what way was Trump "anti-establishment?" Looks to me like he was the most pro-establishment president since Reagan

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u/SpiritJuice Sep 22 '22

He was a complete outsider compared to his opponents, having never truly been involved with US politics like this. Part of his shtick was being an outsider trying to fight corruption in Washington, and because he was a billionaire, he didn't have motivations to be corrupted by corporations lining their own pockets by bribing politicians. He was more appealing to the moderate middle class everyman than career politician Hillary Clinton, who represented more of the same Neo Liberalism of her predecessors like Bill Clinton and Obama.

Now this ended up being smoke and mirrors because Trump ended up being a corrupt, incompetent buffoon, but the circumstances were right at the time for him to be appealing to more moderate voting blocks.

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u/blackpharaoh69 Sep 22 '22

He is a billionaire that HD previously donated to political parties and campaigns. His is a member of the ruling class of this country.

Just because he's a rude stupid asshole that frustrates neoliberals sense of civility doesn't mean he's anti establishment in any way.

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u/SpiritJuice Sep 22 '22

He was literally an outsider and not a career politician. Just look at everyone he beat in 2016. Assuming everyone voted for Trump because they are bigots and loved him because he was a bigot is naive. Not understanding this is how elections are lost.

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u/ImTheZapper Sep 22 '22

Odd then, that the dems "contraversial" pick in bernie didn't go the same route.

Wonder fucking why?

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u/Title26 Sep 22 '22

He got airtime and those voters liked what they saw. Everybody who voted against Trump saw him to, they just had the sense to say "wow that's not right"

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u/NeverNude-Ned Sep 22 '22

While I agree that he's a total bigot, I would say it wasn't quite as obvious as how unabashedly aggressive and fearless he was. Right wingers had felt oppressed for close to a decade, tired of being told "what to do" and "how to think" by "liberals," when the reality is that the country was just trying to progress and do away with the heteronormative, white supremacist undertones that its society is built upon. I think what they really saw in him was a chance to finally be able to speak their minds again and make it clear that they aren't willing to change, and he played to that very well. Had he come out and been like "WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP AND TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY FOR THE WHITE MAN," I don't think he would have been elected. The key is to maintain the element of "plausible" deniability as far as the bigotry goes.

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u/Harbingerx81 Sep 22 '22

That's a bit reductionist.

Trump's main quality was that he was a political outsider and that appealed a large number of people who were fed up with mainstream politicians for a wide number of reasons.

I'm not a Trump supporter and never voted for him, but your characterization of things is rather disingenuous.

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u/zveroshka Sep 22 '22

If you aren't racist but vote a for one, what does that make you?

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u/Fop_Vndone Sep 22 '22

An eNLigHtENeD cEnTRiST!

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u/posterguy20 Sep 22 '22

probably something in between

not everything is binary

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u/zveroshka Sep 22 '22

How so? You are actively supporting and enabling a racist. That makes you what? Quasi-racist? Semi-racist? Lol come on.

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u/wareagle3000 Sep 22 '22

I hate to do the Hitler analogy but... I mean... Come on, it's right there.

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u/Gibbs1020 Sep 22 '22

It's also possible to realize you've aligned yourself with the worst, most hateful groups in America, and it may be time to rethink your convictions.

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u/ApartmentPoolSwim Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Then the majority of republcians are very OK with it in politics. It's amazing how that's a common theme with Republicans. I constantly hear about how republcuans don't agree with the things their party does, but they keep voting for it. Like I've heard about how they don't care if people are gay. Still vote for them to lose their rights. They don't want abortions, but don't want women to die. Vote for it anyways. Don't like corporations running the country. Vote for that as as well.

Maybe Republicans should stop being a Republicans, and I'll believe it.

Edit: And just in case anyone wants to use guns as an excuse, it's a shitty one. All it tells me is that they view guns as being more important than peoples lives. Particularly those in marginalized communities.

"But the marginalized people need them from the authoritarians!"

So they vote for fascists so people can have guns to fight the fascists they put in power? Man. That's a pretty crazy idea.

Maybe instead we could vote for the other side and push them further left. Cause the further left you go, the more you get your guns back, and then we wouldn't have to worry as much about fascism.

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u/can_of-soup Sep 22 '22

Right! Roughly half the voters in the USA are republicans! It would be stupid to call them all racists but that’s never stopped Reddit.

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u/WeightFast574 Sep 22 '22

The vast majority.

By the FBI's own reckoning of hate groups in the US, there are something on the order of 100,000 white supremacists nationwide. This means there are statistically zero white supremacists in the US considering our population is over 300 million.

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u/filenotfounderror Sep 22 '22

Sure, but if you vote for all the racists, what difference does it make.

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u/Cyndershade Sep 22 '22

It’s possible to be conservative without being a white supremacist.

Since when? White supremacy is the cornerstone of conservative values and it has been for literally hundreds of years.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

For sure. I wasn't saying I don't respect him calling them out.

I'm not really sure what my "best case" is here. People and, by extention, large groups of people are complicated.

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u/dasher11 Sep 22 '22

It's the majority of them.

LMAOOOOO

No. No, it's not.

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

I just don’t think a third of the country is regularly discriminating upon racial lines, though it depends on what you mean by racism. The majority of conservatives live near and work with minorities without an issue. I live in the south, racism is alive and a problem, but 9/10 people aren’t contributing to the problem.

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u/wrenfaire802 Sep 22 '22

I just don’t think a third of the country is regularly discriminating upon racial lines

I live in the south

One of these means you haven't been paying attention.

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u/TheDream425 Sep 22 '22

There’s a difference between media portrayal of issues and the day to day reality of them. I feel many would like to believe most republicans or southerners are racist, but it’s not the case.

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u/lolno Sep 22 '22

Tacit approval of white supremacy is white supremacy.

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u/GamingRacer Sep 22 '22

The last thing the majority of conservatives want is one race above all others. That’s why they advocate for equal treatment of other races, instead of special treatment.

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u/hisandhernia Sep 22 '22

Conservatism ideals are rooted in inequality and white supremacy. It’s baked into the core

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u/joshTheGoods Sep 22 '22

He might also consider how he hates racists, but is dedicated to a man who launched his campaign with Birtherism and railing on Mexicans... a "man" who claimed a judge born in America couldn't rule on his cases because said judge had Mexican heritage.

This dude in the line is full of ignorance. Functionally, he's just mad that the other racists are being loud about it and making him look bad, but he'll turn around and vote for one.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Soros paid them to make Trumpers look bad. Pretty obvious.

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u/mnipaolix Sep 22 '22

/s ?

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u/Super-Dragonfruit348 Sep 22 '22

Yes, obvious sarcasm. Soros is the omnipotent boogy man for conservatives.

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u/Starrion Sep 22 '22

That Soros guy is some kind of brilliant supervillain isn't he tho? Everytime that Trumpworld self-owns itself the evil hand of Soros is sure to be detected.

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u/rastafarreed Sep 22 '22

Orcs KKK bearing the white hand of Saruman Soros.

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u/Starrion Sep 22 '22

Perhaps there is one skilled in the art of cgi that could add little red hats to the Uruk-Hai in the relevant scenes. I believe that is probably a big ask though.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

"Obvious"

It isn't impossible. But you shouldn't consider the alternative as impossible.

No offense, but maybe you could stand to reflect on somethings too.

There are people who agree with some of my political opinions that I can't fucking stand. Surely you don't think everyone who agrees/disagrees with you about one thing can't also feel the opposite about other things? No group is so monolithic. And if the Klan is supporting the same person as you it is worth considering why.

It can't always be controlled opposition, as much as you'd like it to be.

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u/iamnothereanymore Sep 22 '22

I think he forgot his sarcasm tag.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

It's so hard to tell anymore.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Why is "/s" so damn necessary for some people

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

Because text has no tone or inflection. Duh.

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u/ever-right Sep 22 '22

Yeah sarcasm is so impossible to tell through text. I guess that's why you never see it in books without an /s tag.

My post proves my fucking point FYI.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Duh? Since when does inflection define sarcasm? I think you need to do a little reflecting.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

No need to get so defensive. Next time don't forget the sarcasm tag and blame others for misunderstanding you.

Be more deliberate with what you write or this will continue happening (and upsetting you).

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

You're the only one who had a problem understanding but thanks.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

Enjoy being a pretentious a-hole then.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Will do.

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u/Zoztrog Sep 22 '22

Racism is the essence of Trumpism. You don’t think anybody voted for that asshole because they thought he was competent do you? It’s obvious people voted for him because he’s the biggest piece of shit in the entire country. Everyone knows he’s an unhinged, lunatic, moron.That’s why they voted for him, not because they think he’s a decent fellow. We have elected a black man for president once and they hate our country for that and want us to suffer.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

I think that is a tad reductive and you are doing yourself a disservice with that sort of broad generalization.

Not saying you aren't at least partially right but I don't think that answer is correct either.

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u/Zoztrog Sep 22 '22

The thought that someone could vote for Trump and not be an racist is absurd.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

I think it is more complicated than that. But I really don't feel like arguing about something so complicated right now.

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u/str8voyeur Sep 22 '22

Yeah but the same thing goes for the left wingers too. I mean if the lovely folks at NAMBLA showed up to support a democratic candidate who embraced lgbt issues, should that make the dems rethink their support for the candidate. The problem that many of us make is painting groups with broad brush strokes. It's ok when we do it to others, but we get upset when folks do the same thing to us.

I know folks who are Trump supporters who are not at all racists, just like I know people who were Hillary supporters but were incredibly racist. 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Johnathon1069DYT Sep 22 '22

I've never seen anyone on the left, who wouldn't call NAMBLA out immediately if they showed up. People who support that stuff do it regardless of politics, if people on the right don't think their are pedos in their ranks ... they're in denial. Roy Moore comes to mind, anyone who supported him was supporting someone who had pursued underage women. I find it hard to take any of the people who supported him seriously when they say they oppose that behavior. They clearly don't oppose it, they oppose it in specific imstances.

Contrast this with Donald Trump who, initially, pretended not to know who David Duke was when people asked him about Duke endorsing him. I'm thirty-six years old, I knew who David Duke was and what he represents today.

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u/BigEyeFiend Sep 22 '22

I mean - it doesn’t take much to do a YouTube search of Trump disavowing Duke, supremacists and Nazis.

There’s even a transcript of his Charlottesville speech online.

Where he makes clear distinctions that he is against Nazis.

You’re also saying “hey, I’m 36 and even I know who Duke is” like your life is in anyway comparable to a millionaire narcissist who was probably finger blasting his way through the 80’s and 90’s…

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u/Johnathon1069DYT Sep 22 '22

It also doesn't take much to do a YouTube search and find Trump saying he doesn't really know that much about David Duke.

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u/BigEyeFiend Sep 22 '22

Many normies don’t 😂

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u/StonedBirdman Sep 22 '22

Jesus fucking Christ there’s a pretty huge difference between lgbt issues and fucking pedophilia

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u/rooplstilskin Sep 22 '22

People who say "there are extremists on both sides" and then lists pedophiles, is literally regurgitating right wing propaganda.

There are extremists on both sides.

As of right now, there are A LOT more extremists on the right side. This country barely even has a "left" side.

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u/Top_Duck8146 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Hey that completely rational and reasonable comment doesn’t fall in line with my beliefs and preconceived notions of the political party that I despise, downvote for you!

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

No one who's brain isn't wired wrong thinks that pedos belong in the lgbtq+ grouping. Sexual attraction to children and attraction to the same sex are totally different things. Only pedophiles and people who consider homosexuality to be immoral in and of itself usually try to make that association.

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u/Baal-Hadad Sep 22 '22

Yes, and just because you support Trump, doesn't mean you're racist.

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u/nub_sauce_ Sep 22 '22

Wrong. Supporting trump means supporting his racist policies, at minimum tolerating them, which makes one a racist

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u/FridgesArePeopleToo Sep 22 '22

if

Notice how you had to imagine a scenario to show that BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE

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u/strik3r2k8 Sep 22 '22

The ones who are not racist don’trealize that the racists are the ones driving the bus.

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u/wholetyouinhere Sep 22 '22

White supremacy is inextricably woven into the subtext of conservatism itself.

NAMBLA is a pedophile organization. It does not intersect with liberal ideology in any way whatsoever.

This comparison is centrist to the point of extremism.

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u/str8voyeur Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I think you, like many others, have missed my point. We are not talking about party affiliations. We are talking about candidates. Trump has supporters who are iIndependent, some of whom voted for Obama. Stop with the idea that everyone and everything must fit in a neat box. One side or the other...us against them...either ur my friend or ur my enemy...everything is either black or white.

We see this far too often and it never works. You have to select your race, even if you are bi- or multi-racial. First, everyone had to be gay or straight. Bi's were classified as gay. Then we recognized bi's as a cognizable group. So you had to pick one of the three. Then we realized there were biological men who were attracted to women, but who felt like women. So we try to find a neat category to place everyone in. But we know it doesn't work, yet we still try.

Some Trump supporters have Black spouses. Some Mexicans are Trump supporters. You can't say, if you support Trump then you must be racist. You can support a candidate on some or most issues, but disagree with him on others. That guy might be a coach for a little league all black inner city football team. Maybe he has a black girlfriend. Maybe he doesn't believe that Trump hates Black people. The only thing we know is that he hates the KKK. Yet because he is a Trump supporter, we ascribe to him the title of racist. And no matter how you try to justify it, it's just wrong.

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u/wholetyouinhere Sep 22 '22

The type of nuance you're describing doesn't apply to Donald Trump. The man is observably a complete and total piece of shit. He's not a legitimate person or politician. This is not up for debate. And his supporters are simply not good people.

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u/str8voyeur Sep 22 '22

That is a very narrow-minded perspective, which, of course, you're entitled to.

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u/wholetyouinhere Sep 22 '22

I'll grant you that. I'm very comfortable having a narrow perspective on what is an extremely narrow and uncomplicated issue.

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u/str8voyeur Sep 22 '22

Being narrow-minded is never a good thing. But if the mental gymnastics you just did makes you feel better, then you deserve that moment of solace.

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u/Drexill_BD Sep 22 '22

I think the big difference is policy. I think when you turn your CPAC stage into a Nazi symbol and hold it in a fascist country outside the US... you're signaling pretty loudly.

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u/kkeut Sep 22 '22

your false equivalency is intellectual dishonest. lazy too. you should be ashamed of yourself

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u/Claim_Alone Sep 22 '22

Get ready for all the downvotes for speaking facts. How dare you think there can can be extremist on both sides…

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u/unforgiven91 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

but pedos aren't the extremist wing of the Left.

That'd be like, the straight up communists or maybe anarchists? It's really hard to pin down an equivalent violent radical group

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u/beckthegreat Sep 22 '22

Holy fucking shitballs this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever fucking read on this site. First of all, you're using the right wing talking point of LGBTQ = pedophilia, when there is far more pedophilia from the right. It's sickening that you're comparing that to people that just want to exist, and love who they love, or be their true self.

Second, let's play pretend, if Bobby over here hates everything about Trump, except for the tax breaks promised that will directly benefit Bobby, then Bobby is profiting directly off Trump's racism. Even if Bobby hates the racist shit Trump spews, he benefits from it, meaning racism is okay if Bobby makes a quick buck off it. Bobby is a racist. There are 2 kinds of Trump supporters; racists, and those that hide how racist they are.

But yeah, you're correct in your total strawman of NAMBLA showing up at a Dem rally, there's probably a good reason why they are. Congrats on that one. Dipshit.

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u/Queensthief Sep 22 '22

NAMBLA is a conservative organization.

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u/Joshnightmare Sep 22 '22

The right has the racists and the left have the pedos.

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u/SmileyDayToYou Sep 22 '22

Just like all of those leftist Catholic pedophiles. /s

Perversion knows no political part.

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u/gumpbackwhale Sep 22 '22

Ah yes Matt gates, famous leftist

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u/MettaLettas Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Republicans don't think about things on a critical level. The republican party as a whole will never really care about the kkk or neo-nazis for that exact reason.

They think about things on a "Give me what I want, no matter the cost" level. It's short-term thinking. Essentially it's them saying "the ends justify the means," even though in reality it would mean the "ends" is a world run by kkk, neo-nazis, etc.

It's the same reason they don't care if trump commits crimes. They just see him as a golden ticket, they're not spending a single second thinking of trump in a critical way. It's also why they were happy to vote to eliminate "obamacare," and were shocked it meant they lost their ACA.

They've been misled and misinformed. With covid, they've shown us they'll quite literally deny they've been had, until their dying breath.

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u/ChardOk7853 Sep 22 '22

“Why do you motherfuckers keep showing up every where I go!?”

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