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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/fefman123 Sep 22 '22 Silver

Isn’t it a good thing that he’s against the kkk

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u/mudboy654 Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

yeah thats the point

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u/GMaharris Sep 22 '22 'MURICA

Are we supposed to give them a cookie or a parade for saying the KKK is bad? Jesus christ the bar is low for these people.

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u/TangentiallyTango Sep 22 '22

Yeah he'll say it's bad, and then vote for the KKK's favorite candidate.

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u/nub_sauce_ Sep 22 '22

Yup, the KKK directly endorsed trump in 2016

"yeah I don't like the KKK!!! Now excuse me while I go vote for the KKK's prefered politician"🤡

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u/poonmangler Sep 22 '22

Lol people already don't care that he's every fascist dictators' preferred politician for America.

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u/5k1895 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

This is the thing I don't get with these people. They're supposedly not racist on paper. They know hate groups like the KKK are bad. But here's the thing, your favorite candidate, and even your favorite political party, just so happen to be filled with those same people. Like you're standing side by side with them when you vote, they endorse Trump right along with you. Yet that doesn't make you question whether you're on the right side of history? So the only proper conclusion I can really come to is that there's a good chance that somewhere deep down, they're internally racist as well. Because how else am I supposed to interpret that when you willingly stand side by side with the racist bigots at the voting booth?

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u/TheFergPunk Sep 22 '22

I think the quote from the character Stormfront in the show The Boys sums it up well:

People love what I have to say! They believe in it! They just don't like the word 'Nazi.' That's all.

Same deal here. Chances are they'd agree with a lot of what the KKK has to say, they just don't like that they're dressed up in sheets.

The KKK is too transparent with the racism. They prefer the racism with the tiniest, flimsiest bit of deniability, like regularly accusing ethnic minority opponents of not being from the US.

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u/jmc198769 Sep 22 '22

Why can't the answer be that when you make a binary choice, chances are you will be in a group with people you don't agree with? I mean this type of reductive thinking is the reason there is so much division and animosity today.

The anti defamation league estimates only about 3000 actual klan members exist today, so to pretend that they have any sort of real tangible influence or power seems obsurd to me. (Admittedly this is the fruit of a quick Google search and the article is from 2016 but I would argue that is Trump era enough to be relevant.)

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/state-of-the-kkk

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u/TheFergPunk Sep 22 '22

Why can't the answer be that when you make a binary choice, chances are you will be in a group with people you don't agree with?

Nah bullshit understanding of the situation.

There's a difference between making one choice within a binary option (i.e. voting Republican instead of Democrat) and actively being a fan of a bigot which this guy is actively doing.

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u/jmc198769 Sep 22 '22

Sounds like he's actively calling out bigots to me. It's all based on perspective and everyone has one. I can't stand Trump either but I just think we all need to lay the weapons down for a bit and try to heal some wounds. At the end of the day we're not as different as they want everyone to think. I hope you have a good day.

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u/tuckastheruckas Sep 22 '22

this is a horrible take, come on. I voted for Biden but even this video kinda shows that not all republicans 'support' racist ideology. I mean obviously im not changing your mind but idk, gets tiresome reading these nonsensical attacks on 'the other team'.

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u/5k1895 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Respectfully, I'm certainly not the one making things into a team sport. Republicans specialize in that and have for a long time. And you'll notice I never said they all "support" racism. But they have no issue voting alongside it. They have no issue supporting candidates and a party as a whole that largely embraces the support of actual racist people. How else am I supposed to interpret it other than them internally, whether they know it or not, being okay with it on some level? Explain it to me. Help me understand why someone would be okay with a party that seemingly embraces racists' support.

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u/tuckastheruckas Sep 23 '22

meh, im sure you can understand there are things affiliated with the DNC that dont represent all democrats.

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u/5k1895 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

A cop-out response that I frankly saw coming from a mile away. There's certainly nothing there on the level that I'm talking about here with Republicans, that's the issue at hand and you damn well know that. I'm a little disappointed that you didn't actually make an attempt to create a real explanation and rather decided to just do some "bOtH sIdEs" shit.

Edit: So yeah okay, I gave it most of the day and all I got was a downvote without any response. Not particularly surprising. Guess you didn't actually have any logical explanation with any substance after all, and could only offer me some BS projection. What a shock.

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u/inthefamilybathroom Sep 26 '22

Respectfully, I'm certainly not the one making things into a team sport. Republicans specialize in that and have for a long time

Lol I'm a dem but you're clearly doing the team sport shit here. I mean just read what you wrote

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u/5k1895 Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Okay, let me ask something then. Despite me clearly stating my issue with the far right, I'm still clearly here engaging with someone in good faith and asking questions and asking for them to help me understand. Meanwhile they were refusing to answer, acting like I was being unreasonable to ask these extremely understandable questions and doubts I'm expressing. If I were treating it like a sport myself, wouldn't I be the one NOT asking these questions and trying to create this discussion and give them a chance to help me? If that's not the case then explain it to me. Explain it to me like I'm five.

Edit: lmao, literally can't make this up. I decided to check your post history to see if you were actually a Democrat as you claimed, and this was in it...

Your post history says you're a black Christian republican though so no surprise you're a fucking moron

Seems to me that even if you are left leaning, you must be a troll of some sort because that's far closer to the "team sport" shit than anything I said. Give me a break dude. Don't lecture me on what I say when you say dumb things like that to other people.

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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Sep 22 '22

What the fuck was he supposed to do about it? He can't stop anyone from "endorsing" him

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u/TheUnluckyBard Sep 23 '22

What the fuck was he supposed to do about it? He can't stop anyone from "endorsing" him

Express opinions and propose policies that the KKK doesn't want to endorse? Seems pretty easy.

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u/kgt5003 Sep 22 '22

In this last election there wasn't really a candidate who didn't get endorsed by racists. Richard Spencer famously endorsed Joe Biden. https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-campaign-disavows-richard-spencer-endorsement-2020-8

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u/TheUnluckyBard Sep 23 '22

Oh, I must have missed the speech where Trump disavowed the KKK's endorsement. Can you link it for me?

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u/Pandamana Sep 22 '22

The KKK are bad ok, I just happen to allign 100% with their political ideology. Wait, why are you calling ME racist?

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u/semajvc Sep 22 '22

guys hitler drank water that must mean water is racist

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u/Pandamana Sep 22 '22

I'll take non sequiturs for $100, Alex.

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u/Alaskan_Hamster Sep 22 '22

no. on reddit u upvote or downvote

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u/kspieler Sep 22 '22

But some people don't even make it past that low bar....remember, there are "very fine people on both sides."

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u/uber-chica Sep 22 '22

I get that, but I think that was like disproven since the edited out part of it.

Not that it makes Trump a great guy or something, but that thing with fine people including some racists was inaccurate.

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u/kspieler Sep 22 '22

The main thing here is Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy.

I live in Virginia and remember watching Charlottesville those two days. There was the unpermitted torchlight rally Friday night at the college where they shouted "Jews will not replace us." On Saturday, two state police officers and one civilian counter-protester died.

People hoped for a condemnation of white-supremicist beliefs from leaders...this never seemed to come from the commander-in-chief.

To be accurate, there was a late statement Sunday which condemned violence in general and than a more combatative press conference on Sunday where he said "there is blame on both sides."

In the 2nd presidential debate for 2020, Joe Biden said the response to Charlottesville was the main reason he chose to run for office again. Biden may have misquoted Trump as saying "fine people on both sides," but when challenging Trump to denounce the white supremacists, Trump again did not seem to want to do this.

The main thing here is Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy.

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u/uber-chica Sep 22 '22

This is the transcript:

Reporter: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. …

Trump: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo — and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. …

It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Sep 22 '22

The main thing here is Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy.

Literally a quote from this very fucking interview

"And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

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u/Professional_Turd Sep 22 '22

"And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

Saying it once doesn't mean he actually believes it, especially when he's hedged so many other times. They all seem to think he's on their side, because they can point at the rest of what he's saying and find a lot of things he's said that support their beliefs.

So there are two possibilities here: a) he's actually a nationalist and dog whistling to them like they think he is, or b) he's not actually dog whistling and just a complete moron that has no awareness of the verbal diarrhea that flows from his mouth. Which one is it?

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u/uber-chica Sep 22 '22

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

Lol if you believe he actually said those things that were in the White House press releases.

And then when he's confronted about it live and in person, he doesn't explicitly say he condemned it, he said that he's condemned it in the past, or that "they should br condemned." It's evasive and hedging, like everything else he says, which is why white supremacists seem to believe that he is speaking for them and why white nationalists, in spite of the verbiage above, believe that he's on their side.

And like I said, that was once. I'm not buying him when he says it one time, defensively and hedgingly, and ALL of the racists and white nationalists continue to see him as their leader and representative of their agendas.

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

Yeah I read that link the first time.

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u/RLucas3000 Sep 22 '22

I’m pretty sure it’s both.

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u/Nzgrim Sep 22 '22

It's a good thing that when asked who he meant by the fine people and why he's defending nazis he clarified that he meant the people the night before. You know, the tiki torch people shouting "Jews will not replace us" in unison.

Reporter: Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying.

Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

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u/Professional_Turd Sep 22 '22

He literally clarified that he wasn't talking about the Neo-Nazis and white nationalists. From the quote you just referenced, he said "people protesting very quietly"...that doesn't sound like the tiki torch dip shits to me.

These are additional statements he made 2 days after the protests.

"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence – it has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans."
"Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry, strike at the very core of America."

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u/Nzgrim Sep 22 '22

Yes, and he clarified that the fine people were there the previous day. The previous day had only nazis, no one else.

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u/Professional_Turd Sep 22 '22

"But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

He obviously thought different and very well may have been mistaken on who was there and when. But he is clearly not calling the Neo-Nazis very fine people.

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u/bkbeezy Sep 22 '22

It was explicitly a white supremacist rally. Everyone there was a white supremacist. This is him trying to cover his ass.

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u/KevinNashsTornQuad Sep 22 '22

Yes it’s that low.

A lot of people on the right either silently or vocally have no issue with things like white supremacy and racism. It would 100% be a good thing if more of them spoke up like this and helped kick them back the the curb where they belong.

I have a shit load of problems with Trump supporters but if there is one thing I can unite with anyone over it’s hatred of the KKK and similar groups.

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u/wtfeweguys Sep 22 '22

Not my favorite take. There will never be a world where wildly divergent views don’t exist. One of the best ways to find peaceful ways forward is to proactively identify where we agree. It’s fucking AWESOME that (some) Trump supporters are vocally antiracist. I’m totally with them on that. And when something we disagree with comes up (which is often) we can talk about that, too.

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u/The_Homestarmy Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

It's a load of bullshit. They can pretend to be violently anti racist but they're still actively supporting a racist motherfucker politically. And it's not even like a "he's the best of two evils" situation, they genuinely adore the guy.

You can't have it both ways. Despise the KKK or support the candidate who the KKK explicitly endorsed.

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u/wtfeweguys Sep 22 '22

You understand that I get that, right? My point stands.

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u/icantfindfree Sep 22 '22

Bro he preaching anti racism then voting and supporting the pro racism guy

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u/wtfeweguys Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

My point stands. I’m not saying he has a coherent worldview. I’m saying there’s a way to maybe build bridges and there’s whatever we think we’re doing in polarized American politics.

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u/berrey7 Sep 22 '22

I bet he laid that red outfit out on his Dale Earnhart bed comforter the night before.

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u/just_quit_smoking Sep 22 '22

If the average person were shown that group and asked to come up with five descriptors I am certain one would be racists. The point here, imo, is that we live in a ethereal sort of world which is often too blunt'force to acknowledge reality. In this case, loud Trump people are not, as a collective, racist.

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u/icantfindfree Sep 22 '22

Sounds legit when they are actively supporting the racist guy lmao. You can shout and denounce racism all you want, but if at the end of the day you support the guy that spent four years talking shit about anyone a slight tan north of white then it's meaningless

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u/Axionas Sep 22 '22

More like reddit needs a reminder of an obvious truth since they go to such depths to demonize conservatives.

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u/pramjockey Sep 22 '22

Bullshit.

Calling conservatives out on their behavior isn’t demonizing

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u/Axionas Sep 22 '22

Yet it seems reddit is surprised a trump supporter opposes a KKK supporter.

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u/pramjockey Sep 22 '22

When you see a group that is loudly racist, sexist, and homophobic, it’s not much of a stretch to assume that everyone in the group is supportive of the message.

It’s not like the right/republicans actively and loudly repudiate these views

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u/k3rnal_panic Sep 22 '22

Did he ask for a cookie? Why would you give him a cookie? Maybe ask CNN, MSNBC, ABC why white Trump supporters don’t like the KKK. They’re the ones who told you this lie.

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u/HumanTargetVIII Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Ask yourself Why the KKK, Proud Boys, NSM, Patriot Front, AWP and other White Supremacist org like Trump. All Trump supporters my not be Racist but on average they OK with it enough to not speak out against these people. They are okay enough to spread talking points that Anti-Racism is Anti-White. They are okay with it enough that this is one of the few instances that someone actually called them out. Trump was the catalyst for these groups to become emboldened and grow as organizations. Out of all those people there he the only one who said anything to the KKK. Even though he spoke out about the KKK 100% he supports Racist policies.

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Sep 22 '22

Why SOME white Trump supporters don't like the KKK. It's not like white supremacists are afraid to show up to these things.

I think the more important question is why you'd keep supporting the politician that the white supremacists tried to overthrow the country for.

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u/k3rnal_panic Sep 22 '22

So no white pillowcases then. Boycott every hotel who has white sheets in the bed. Boycott the term Dragon or Wizard because it’s affiliated in the ranking structure of the klan. Boycott everything that they like. Just because a group of assholes decide to attach themselves to something doesn’t mean a good person needs to renounce those things. Are all democrats liberals,communist and socialists? If you disagree with communism then you need to renounce the democrat party. Is that what your saying?

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

Just because a group of assholes decide to attach themselves to something doesn’t mean a good person needs to renounce those things.

First off, Trump is not a good person. At all. And it's kind of embarrassing that you're suggesting that he is.

But for the sake of argument, let's pretend that he is so that we can extrapolate to others. In that case, yeah, it kinda does mean that that person needs to renounce them, especially when those assholes are unilaterally siding with that person and doing it because of the things that that person said.

Lastly, Democrats aren't big on communists and communists aren't running around in unbridled support of Democrats. Also, equating communists with the KKK or Proud Boys is a false equivalence - communist groups in the U.S. aren't running around threatening to kill people or start a civil war. But yes, if a Democrat disagreed with their positions, I would expect him or her to denounce them.

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u/k3rnal_panic Sep 22 '22

I’m talking about the American citizen, Not Trump. I’m not gonna vote for Biden for no other reason than “oh well the KKK likes him so I guess I’ll go for the other racist that isn’t in the hot seat”

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u/FunetikPrugresiv Sep 22 '22

I wouldn't vote for Biden for that reason alone, either. There just happens to be like a hundred other reasons to vote for Biden over Trump.

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u/wafflesandwifi Sep 22 '22

I've got a number I can give you for a good physical therapist, cause I know you must've pulled more than one muscle with that reach.

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u/k3rnal_panic Sep 22 '22

It’s hardly a reach. We’re in an age of extremes, it’s just about how hypocritical you can force yourself to be when you’re on the other side of the table.

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u/gtautumn Sep 22 '22

Easily manipulated traitor says what?

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u/Agonda12 Sep 22 '22

Yes give them a Kookie.

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u/gtautumn Sep 22 '22

Something something participation trophy.

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u/--GrinAndBearIt-- Sep 22 '22

yes, because thats how you stop creating divison and start showing other poeple that the lies they have been fed are wrong. The other side doesn't have to be some nubulous mob that you hate.

This comment cuts both ways since you are are playing this weird holier-than-thou role for some reason. We get it, youre soooooooooo much smarter than a trump supporter.

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u/gtautumn Sep 22 '22

yes, because thats how you stop creating divison and start showing other poeple that the lies they have been fed are wrong.

Huh, what happened to "fuck your feelings" etc etc etc.

Get fucked with your disingenuous bullshit. Fuck each and every MAGA traitor piece of shit.

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u/--GrinAndBearIt-- Sep 22 '22

k cool good talk good talk

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u/gtautumn Sep 22 '22

Facts don't give a fuck about your feelings.

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u/icantfindfree Sep 22 '22

I'm sure the division isn't caused by the guy who spent four years demonizing Mexicans and middle Eastern people but rather the people who got mad that he did that

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u/Gonewild_Verifier Sep 22 '22

No, its just video footage you will never see on the news. The cameras are always aimed at the people he's yelling at. Its like seeing the film crew on a movie set instead of the actors.

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u/WillDeletOneDay Sep 22 '22

We should absolutely encourage them to exclude fringe extremist groups. Pushing the worst of the worst out of political influence is one step towards bringing our country back from the extremely polarized situation its in.

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u/DonQueed Sep 22 '22

No one is saying that we need to give him a cookie… I believe the purposes of the video is to highlight that not all republicans (or even trump supporters) are racist dirtbags as is implied often by the media.

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u/noble_peace_prize Sep 22 '22

I mean it would be really good for the republican brand to stop allowing white supremacy to be welcome alongside them. It’s one of the few reasons I have to never vote for a Republican (I’m not one for black and white thinking) and have little issue talking shit about the whole party as long as they allow some of our most lethal of cancers and deepest of rots to be party to them.

Like at the March for Science, there were LGBT flags, anti corporation flags etc. no nazis. No KKK. They wouldn’t be welcome and would absolutely be prevented from being a pat of it.

It’s no confusion as to why they feel welcome in one and not the other.

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u/Obvious_Ambition4865 Sep 22 '22

Extremely unproductive take. We should be actively bringing conservatives back into the fold and jumping at opportunities to find common ground.

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u/GMaharris Sep 22 '22

I understand people supporting the dude calling out the KKK. That isn't my issue. Its just shocking to me that this is supposedly a brave take. Its like if someone went to a democrat rally and filmed someone saying "Well call me old fashioned, but I'm against raping children!" and then everyone starts praising him. It's just alarming to me that it comes off as controversial.

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u/SkrambieEggs Sep 23 '22

Reddit seems to do it every time someone that leans left does it. So why not?

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u/SilasX Sep 22 '22

When you spend all your time saying how Trump is Literally Hitler, then yes, I expect some of you will be surprised, like, if you're honest or admit errors or whatever.

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u/nomorerope Sep 22 '22

Yes, this is America. Any foot in the doorway we can achieve; Take it.

maybe we can add to it and have hope one day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

for saying the KKK is bad?

I think we should respect this guy for saying the KKK is bad, even though Trump and the GOP is littered with racist dog whistles. Like this guy is def gonna vote democratic sometime in the next 5 years. His eyes are open now

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u/ziggy145 Sep 22 '22

“Hey fuck you man!!! You guys are NOT supposed to say the quiet part out loud!! That’s for after we win the election”