You know what makes the KKK not show up to your events? When you tell them straight up that you do not want them there.
From the 2020 debates
WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?
TRUMP: Sure, I'm prepared to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
WALLACE: Then do it, sir.
BIDEN: Do it. Say it.
TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?
WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.
TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what: Somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left. Because this is not a right-wing problem — this is a left-wing problem.
Ask a Trump supporter about this. They will NEVER give you an excuse. All they do is project. "What about the racist groups Biden supports" is what they'll say or some nonsense like this instead of ever addressing their lord's clear cut racism.
You cannot. I've talked to two Trumpers I know in person over the years and literally would not answer one question. EVERY answer was to deflect. Refuse to answer anything no matter how many times you point out "you're simply reflecting and not answering anything. Absolutely refuse.
Asked one of these guys "what about the racism?" and he literally said "what racism?"
To advocate for the devil, after Charlottsville he did condemn white nationalists and neo nazis, but the only part that gets discussed is when he said the "fine people on both sides" comment. The immediate follow-up to that was "I'm not talking about the neo nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally", but it was still reported that "Trump called neo nazis 'fine people'".
This article illustrates my point very well. The headline is flat out wrong, even if you believe Trump would defend white nationalist, he explicitly didn't.
Trump has done plenty of piss poor crap, don't get me wrong, much of which is worthy of condemnation. But, I'm not sure how much his condemnation would matter. I'm not saying that he just shouldn't condemn evil people, he absolutely should, but even when he does, news articles claim that he didn't. I don't believe for a second that Trump isn't egomaniacal enough to not condemn evil people just to piss people off after that. Obviously that's the wrong move, but Trump seems to win with his base anyway. Either he condemns evil people and his "mainstream media" lies about it, which gets his base riled up for him, or he doesn't and now he's trolling the libs and they love it too.
I like how racist the President supposedly is, yet he chose a black woman for his vice president, and he worked with our first black president. He so cleverly hides his racism by pretending to be Obama's friend.
I sometimes wonder if he meant to say "stand down and stand aside" and just bungled his sentence. But that doesn't really matter when he's too prideful or vindictive to correct himself on a mistake, a la covfefe.
Nah i saw a pretty funny one. Somw dude on youtube said he really meant to say stand down and just had a "slip of the tongue". I want to be able to laugh at them but considering these people can vote and put him back in power its not really that funny anymore
Telling somebody to stop what they're doing is "stand down". "Stand by" means to await further orders. He obviously do is that on purpose hoping no one would know the difference.
The hard part is accepting he's not a moron. He's the cheapest, laziest bastard you can imagine. But he's not an idiot. Everything he does and has done for the past 20 years has been thoroughly pageantry to do exactly what he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.
Very dumb. No smart person signs a bill strengthening laws around taking classified documents that don’t belong to them (just to get back at their political opponents) only to then, after multiple warnings from advisors and lawyers, go and take hundreds of the most classified documents. Yes, he knows how to grift with the best of them, but if he actually was smart he would have sold masks with his face and name on them and told his supporters “we’re all in this together.” He could have easily been re-elected if he just stopped tweeting and took COVID seriously. Everything that is happening to him is his own fault.
He pretends to be dumb. None of us know what he actually is like behind closed doors, which is a figurehead for hundreds of individuals that make the network of diarrhea that helms this country. I'm not saying he's a genius, I'm just saying don't downplay that he's exactly where he wants to be and he wants you (or voters like you) to think of him exactly how you think of him. It makes it easier when you tell a Republican "He's an idiot" for said Republican to deflect and assume you're the actual idiot. It's literally all part of the 60 year long chess game the GOP has been playing. The idea that he's dumb or nothing more than clever is just one of the many pieces.
Mmmmmmm....I think you're giving him too much credit, tbh. I don't think he's "exactly where he wants to be". Where he wants to be is the oval office, free from investigation, lining the wallets of himself, his family, and his friends and being lauded as the best president of the past century. I think he does manipulate the media by throwing as much shit at everything as possible (a lá Roy Cohn), but I'm not convinced his persona of being an idiot is artificed. His ego is too fragile for that, IMO.
I remember this. I couldn't help but laugh out loud. This was the exact OPPOSITE of the intent of the question. Instead of marginalizing the threat he escalated it. Absolutely insane. I still can't believe he wasn't thrown out of office. Liberals and progressives have sought the middle ground so much the "center" is really the "right" and the "right" are really just fascists.
He disavowed and denounced white supremacists dozens of times, only the left media wouldn’t shut the fuck up about it pretending he’s been secret buddies with this tiny minority group
You'll notice he disavows David Duke, the KKK, but never white supremacy as a whole. He's "prepared to" but he never does. He dodges the white supremacist question usually. He says he has; I think he genuinely thinks he has.
He denounces white supremacists that cause violence at 2:14.
His wording is a bit weird. He says he's prepared to. He says he has. He condemns portions of the group. He says "the nation must" but never him specifically. He condemns white nationalism. He says he's concerned about it and will do something about it.
They're not buddies, but it's like he has some weird curse on him that he can't outright say it.
I'd say his intentions seem clear, even if his words are not technically saying it. It's really a level of pedantry you only see in court and on reddit.
The full context? This segment started with a question to Biden about the recent BLM protests, and a focus on left-wing violence (that's why it transitions from that in the beginning of the quote). This is the full transcript if you don't believe me. Here's what Biden said for his piece:
I’ve made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted, and anyone who commits it should be prosecuted.
I'm also aware that Trump has, in several interviews, denounced white supremacy, racists, and similar things. But you can also very easily find moments like this where he is being, at best, vague about how he feels about it. It's not like it's hard to say you dislike violence and white supremacy. Not hard at all...
That sounds well and good, but our binary system funnels all belief. I don't know if anyone in this post has a terribly nuanced ideology, but when you're forced onto one side of a line or another, you can't help much with who else is on your side of the line.
Further, does Islam smell like shit for its disproportionate share of extremists?
The reframing is taking it fully out of Unitied States context and making a fully separate association. It is a similar rationale that puts all people of a political "side" into a box that would put the vast swath of humanity that is Islam into a box.
Okay, but nobody is getting that from your comment. It comes across like a Fox News watcher who thinks Dems love far right Islam because of Obama or something.
Sound like you're the one with a binary thinking issue. The last sentence was completely unnecessary. In the West we have Islamic extremism shoved down our throats by the media constantly. But they are a very small percentage of the overall population. By historical standards Christian crusades, church backed colonialism via missionaries, and political extremist has held much worse extremism issues than Islam. Not even touching the rabbit hole of past Cold War actions that caused for most of the Islamic extremist in the world today being funded from traditionally Christian nations in anti-Soviet/anti-West proxy wars decades ago that have crippled the regions economical, political, and culture systems.
You've illustrated my point beautifully. Sometimes it's fine to put an ideology in a box or on one side of the line. Sometimes it's much more nuanced, as you've made clear above.
I think the problem people have with your last question is that it's loaded. The proper question would have been "does religion smell like shit," which would have been more accurate and less baited.
Disproportionate according to what metrics? Are you ignoring all the Christian extremists that have been blowing up abortion clinics? Are you ignoring all the Muslims who are caught up in the extremism around them and have never had the exposure to know better? Are you counting the leadership that professes to be Muslim in order to get support for their unrelated extremist beliefs? Are you counting "Christian" leadership that does the same?
its interesting that of the 4 people replying to you so far, every single one of them has known what the real answer is, so had to dodge the question entirely
really, either dont reply, or be honest. trying to 'outsmart' the question just shows that you know the truth, but are lying. like anytime any maga gets asked about the election, or climate change, or guns, or etc etc etc
but they can't see when they do the same shit themselves
You aren't even trying to understand or rebuff against my rebuttal reply, but talking shit in a separate reply that lacks basic grammar and punctuation. You're a coward that only knows how to feed your 'us vs them' mentality rhetoric and when you can't contribute via a thought out rebuttal, you regurgitate anti-intellectualism comments you've seen and/or shared on your like minded subreddits.
Every Democrat is a Democrat and every republican is a republican they're all the same remember when Joe said you can't go into a 711 or dunking donuts without a slight Indian accent
Donald Trump, former president of the United States, has a history of speech and actions that have been viewed by scholars and the public as racist or white supremacist. Journalists, friends, family, and former employees have accused him of fueling racism in the United States. Trump has repeatedly denied accusations of racism, and some people he has worked with have stated that he is not racist. In 1973, Trump and his company Trump Management were sued by the Department of Justice for housing discrimination against African-American renters; he settled the suit, entering into a consent decree to end the practices without admitting wrongdoing.
This is not the same as a bunch of Nazis just happening to like the same movie as you. When you break it down, the modern GOP and extremist hate groups follow some of the exact same lines of thinking. The main difference is the level of radicalism.
100%. You said what I was going to comment in a much more concise way. Trump emboldened the extremists and the republicans that don't consider themselves racist all at once, and the latter refuses to see the through-line because no one wants to think of themselves as the bad guy. Hence, the guy in this video.
The main difference is that they wear white hoods to show their support for the Republican platform, and he wears a MAGA hat to show his support for the exact same fucking evil platform.
Right, and democrats don't follow the same line of thinking as the radical left. The overwhelming majority of people are moderates who only slightly lean one way or the other.
It's hilarious how people can write comments like this, yet be complete oblivious that you're the problem. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is an enemy who shares lines of thinking with terrorists, but I can't believe this country is so divisive! The sooner you realize most conservatives are just working class people who would agree with you on 90% of things, and the real enemy is the rich and powerful, the better.
Your comment about democrats is just whataboutism. As for your other comment, OP didn't say all conservatives in america are racists; he said that a large part of the GOP follows the same lines of thinking as more extremist right wing groups, which is largely the case. It's no accident that pretty much every white supremacist group in the US are republicans and/or Trump supporters.
If the KKK is in your corner regarding your political beliefs, it might be a sign that you need to think about why they're there and reevaluate who and what you're supporting.
I would hope that, by my username, you would assume I live no where near the US, support no US political party, don’t vote in US elections. I’m not backing the KKK, the guy in the video, the other side of the political party you guys are trying so hard to defend lol. But I get it, someone makes a comment that doesn’t directly support your point of view, and he’s a KKK loving racist
the other side of the political party you guys are trying so hard to defend lol.
Found the problem. Democrats didn't care too much for Biden in 2020 and don't work too hard to defend him now. It's just that when your only two options for lunch are a loaf of bread and a bag of moldy diarrhea, most rational people will take the bread.
It's not that people love bread or anything. But the irrational people LOVE and will treat the moldy diarrhea as a gift from God, so they assume that the people who chose the bread feel that way about their choice too.
What a horrible situation for Americans, and I hope the 300+million of you guys can figure it out. However, me commenting on a video doesn’t put me into the equation of having to eat your loaf of bread of moody diarrhea. It also doesn’t mean I have to have a preference on which I would want to eat.
Did you accidentally hit reply to the wrong comment or have a stroke or something? I cannot being to understand why you replied what you did to the comment you did.
Damn, the whataboutism game is strong with you, huh?
Both groups are terrorists/ Rioters. Thieves is Antifa only, though but it's ok because their momma needed a 4k TV so they needed to steal and break shops (included 'black owned')
And you sure would've called out the looters and told them , firmly, to "please don't take more than 10 000 dollars worth of things.". I can play this game too, you see?
You're a dishonest fuck. That doesn't even make any sense. You're not playing any game. You're just a moron who is out of his depth and has zero critical thinking skills.
What "organizer?" BLM is a movement. If there was an organization capitalizing off of that movement, that organization is entirely unrelated to the movement. I, and the vast majority of people who support Black Lives Matter have never supported nor are likely even aware of an organization claiming to represent the movement.
edit-oh man your comment was even dumber than I'd thought. I thought I was replying to a different thread. You're now conflating BLM and antifa? Jesus Christ Fox News has done a number to the dumber members of our country.
I love how someone says you don't know what Antifa is, then you respond by telling them to look up the organizer........ So you don't know what Antifa is.
Yes I’m the one spinning things the way I want not you saying that if there are any bad people who share any of your beliefs you can’t criticize the guy in full maga gear for not realizing that the movement he’s supporting is universally supported by nazis and the kkk.
There’s a difference between “a nazi likes baseball so if you like baseball you’re a nazi”
And “the nazis and the kkk like trump so if you like trump your views align with nazis and the kkk”
there's bad people and then there's the KKK. "bOtH SidES liberals have these mean teenagers that cosplay in all black and get in fist fights while the right has an organization that used to lynch people, and very likely still do they just don't advertise it. why are they the same?"
While I agree with the sentiment on this whole comment section basically, I just want to point out that it actually used to be the other way round if you go back in history.
The democrats used to be the super racist ones and it was actually conservative / republican who first abolished slavery, at some point in time the two just done a full 180 and swapped roles. It’s weird.
Yes the only people that deny the sides switched are Republicans, which is the actual weird part. Knowing the Southern Strategy though should make it make more sense. You just have ask yourself who is flying the confederate flag still to this day and cries whenever a slave owner statue is taken down?
Yes precisely. you’ve got to be brain dead to think the roles haven’t reversed in todays world. I’m pretty sure it’s the same in every country, here in the uk it defiantly is.
O wow, so were pretending the pro-slave Democrats of 1865 is anything like the Democrats of 2022??? You're playing that bullshit game??? As if everyone doesn't know that Democrats today are the liberal, progressive party??? Really??? You're doing that?
you make a fair point, but there's a threshold when you're the only one calling out the bad people. Personally I hate lumping democrats as one giant demographic cause we're pretty diverse. However anybody who calls themselves a democrat will definitely call out other democrats for acting like pieces of shit.
He’s not even the only one calling them out in this video, but I do get your point, and I agree to an extent. I think this needs to be the norm, from all parties, and all people. When we see something that’s blatantly wrong, we stand up to it. Not just in the US but everywhere. I like your mentality in regards to that!
It says I can’t watch that video in my country. I do believe you on the contents of the video though, because I wouldn’t put it past Trump, and I’ve also heard others speak about that as well.
To answer your question, I don’t know why people would vote for him, and I also don’t know who the right person to vote for is. My comment wasn’t in support of either side, and I believe people think that it was.
Not at all. Random assholes can show up to any public function. Like those fuckwits that show up on every college campus telling people they're going to hell for whatever reason.
When the same assholes show up to every function, that should start to raise eyebrows. When the same assholes aren't made unwelcome, that should start to raise eyebrows. When they asshole in charge calls them "good people", that should get you the fuck outta there.
Pizza is good, I like pizza and I'm sure there are KKK members and other white nationalists that like pizza.... See, that's dumb.
But if in supporting one candidate and the KKK loves that candidate, then maybe I should re-evaluate my support and question why they like him as well. But if the KKK likes everyone I like, then maybe I'm rolling around in shit with the pigs.
But the violent extremists on the right don't just share opinions with more normal Republicans, they make up significant portions of political rallies, they get elected, they pass bills and appoint judges to curtail the rights of others, and the are supported and courted by prominent right wing politicians.
No crimes Republican politicians commit appear to matter to their party or their base. Support never changes, and self-policing is a myth. The only thing that seems to lose Republican's their support is to come out as gay or trans.
Democrats have issues too, but generally speaking, criminals and people with various scandals lose support from their party and their base. Hilary dropped quite a bit in the polls when the investigation was re-opened before the election, despite lack of any substantial new evidence. Trump's has basically never been effected by anything he did, or was accused of.
Extremists on the right aren't a fringe group--they are who the party is marketing and appealing to, almost across the board.
Your attempt to broaden the scope is either misguided or purposefully distracting. This wasn’t just some random belief that is so ubiquitous that everyone probably shares and it just so happens that the KKK and trump supports fall into the same overlapping parts of the venn diagram. This is a political protest/rally that the KKK decided to show up to in full dress to show their combined support.
So to answer your question, no one is saying that there aren’t any bad people that believe the same things as them. But if one of the ideas or politicians they believe in and are championing politically has an extremist hate group show up to it in full uniform and act like they’re on the same side, then most people would definitely re-examine their beliefs.
To not re-examine is to admit that your political and societal beliefs are so in line with an extremist hate group that they felt the need to come out in force to show their support publicly.
There are bad people who share one or two of the same beliefs as me. However, I do not attend rallies and events that 100s and 1000s of bad people flock to and then wonder why all the people who support the same things as me are making me look bad.
No. They are insinuating that there are no people with bad beliefs that share their own beliefs.
There are ecoterrorists that share my beliefs. They are bad people because of the terrorist part, not the eco part. You seem to be insinuating the KKK are only bad because of the violence they enact and not the racism they believe in.
I actually think they're specifically insinuating that if literally every racist group in the country supports a candidate/party because they think he's a hero who will save the white race, you might want to double check whether the candidate you're supporting is a huge racist. Like Trump. Huge racist/bigot, supported by neo nazis and the kkk. So like, I dunno, maybe it was about race when Trump was talking about stopping Mexicans and Arabs from entering the country.
I don’t know enough about the topic to have an educated answer on that and any number I spit ball would be a complete guess. But I do agree that bad people share every political view. There will be bad people on both sides. The people who share the same party as the KKK should begin to stand up more against them, as we saw in this video, unless they have the same feelings the KKK do. But you can’t condemn people because the KKK shares the same party as them. It’s not a good look, that’s for sure, but that’s a huge generalization, if you get what I mean. I probably didn’t word this in the best way possible.
This is just a longer version of Trumps "there's bad people on both sides" speech. It was stupid then and it's stupid now. Just because there are some bad people on both sides does not mean they are equivalent.
Jeffrey dhamer and the guy who runs a red light or steals a candy bar are both criminals, that doesn take them equal and trying to suggest that they are is intellectually dishonest.
If your political views allign with the KKK, this is a pretty big flag you are on the wrong side of reason, empathy, logic, morality, truth, and justice.
Republican ideology doesn't suddenly become valid because there are some bad dems. And trying to position it as some kind of "ha, gotcha!" To admit there are bad people on both sides just makes you look stupid too.
There are plenty of bad people who share the same beliefs as me.
And ever time I run into another one, I stop and double check my beliefs to make sure that the overlap is merely coincidental. The worse the person is, the closer I look.
You’re the only person making any sense in this thread. I didn’t even vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, but to insinuate every republican is a fascist, nazi, antisemite or racist is just absurd.
We’re in a 2 party system and this guy’s party championed someone that I have a lot of beef with…. That doesn’t make the whole party into a cult.
We, as a country, really have to stop dealing in absolutes because that logic cuts both ways and eventually it’s gonna bite everyone in the ass.
Honestly, if more people had your mentality, so many problems would be solved. It such a huge divide, where I feel people really can’t even talk to one another calmly or normally if they don’t share the same political party. In all fairness, the people in charge are doing a great job keeping that divide between us, but with your mentality we could break that divide.
Trump has endorsed white supremacy so many times (that we know of) This is not an accident or unintentional by any means. Sure there are sjw’s out there, screaming about cultural appropriation and virtue singnaling on issues that mean nothing to the groups they are supposedly protecting, but it’s not like the Democrats actually endorse and embolden the extremists in their party, unlike Trump.
Remember that video of those trump supporters riding around in a golf cart yelling white power and trump called them great people? I'm gonna guess that's why.
You can support the same policy for different reasons. The Maga crowd supports border security to make sure people immigrate legally. The KKK support it because it limits the amount of other ethnicities allowed in the US. The two things have been conflated for years now.
That’s why the MAGA crowd is against Desantis’ stunt when he lied to and flew immigrants to Mass. who were legally asking for asylum, oh wait, what?
You’re right. Legal immigration and seeking asylum are both legal ways to enter the country and live here. My “point” was about how every time someone is trying to get into the country illegally nowadays they claim asylum. It just seems like someone told them it’s harder to get removed if they do that. Idk maybe it’s always been mostly asylum seekers and I just never looked into it.
MAGA wants a wall and for Mexico to pay for it. They don't want comprehensive immigration policy. That may be the realm of traditional conservatives, but MAGA isn't taking a reasonable policy position.
And what about when Trump sought to remove the ability for someone to sue a lender or builder where you could evidence that housing discrimination was occurring, even where there weren’t blatantly obvious practices of discrimination? Trump IS a racist. He just doesn’t wear a hood.
What? Most hardcore maga scum I've seen doesn't want any immigration, legal or not. Hell they vocally support shitstain desantis's recent purely racist political stunts. They were here legally. So fuck off with your bullshit trying to separate maga from KKK, besides a few dumbasses, they are one in the same.
It’s called being facetious, dumb fuck. I was making fun of how very poorly you worded your comment. Or can you not extrapolate context from a comment without it being laid out for you? Maybe you should take a reading comprehension test or something 🤔
but what needs to happen even more is him stopping to wonder why the kkk keeps showing up to support his buddies
Who did you think the KKK was voting for before Trump? Do you think this is their first vote? You probably should think this through.
I am a US citizen who votes. If I hated America, and believed in open boarders and an economic policy that would steal from those who earned to give to those who don't want to work, and make excuses for criminals to keep them from being jailed as crime sky-rocketed. Who would I vote for? Joe Biden. So Joe Biden attracts all the losers who aren't helping this country move forward. Isn't that Curious 🤔
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u/Were-watching Sep 22 '22
This needs to happen more.