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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/Buffphan Sep 22 '22

It’s One guy. Let’s not start crowning Trump as the champion of civil right yet

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u/Pk1Still Sep 22 '22

The typo makes your statement a double entendre.

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u/Jbrown183 Sep 22 '22

Trump is now the Champion of the civil Right…

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u/Link2Liam Sep 22 '22

I don't think there is anything civil about most of them.

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u/GiveToOedipus Sep 22 '22

The only thing civil about Trump are his suits, of which he has many.

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u/christophlc6 Sep 22 '22

Oof get out the aloe vera

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u/yeeehhaaaa Sep 22 '22

They are Huuuuge

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u/childish_tycoon24 Sep 22 '22

Some might even say bigly

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u/BubuBarakas Sep 22 '22

He was threatening assault and battery so…

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u/Versaiteis Sep 22 '22

so much for the civil right

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u/Pk1Still Sep 23 '22

No the fuck he isn’t

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u/retrolasered Sep 22 '22

How? There ain't no civil Left

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u/algorythmUnlock Sep 22 '22

civil right

it's also an oxymoron

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u/tigm2161130 Sep 22 '22

Remember when he said he did more for civil rights than any other president in American history?

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u/Toqom Sep 22 '22

He didn't really specify which side of civil rights he was doing more for, though, he really hurt it more than any other president since it became a thing. I'd argue the KKK and Neo-Nazis felt empowered to come out. Trump's Father, Fred, was arrested in a crowd of men who were all wearing KKK robes, yet he wasn't charged with the others, to me that's enough proof.

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u/_BigChallenges Sep 22 '22

He wouldn’t even denounce white supremacy on a national stage.

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u/ChemicalXP Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

He did. About 10 times. On video.

Edit: love the downvotes on a factual statement with the proof to back it up. Not an echo chamber here for sure.

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u/cmyer Sep 22 '22

Lol after he was pressured into it when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" instead of denouncing hate groups then and there.

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u/ChemicalXP Sep 22 '22

He wasn't pressured. Watch literally 10 seconds before he said "fine on both sides" and he specifically denounced white supremacist groups. This vid should have that in in. As well as the fact he's denounced white supremacist groups half a dozen times before that incident.

Be educated, not whatever you are now.

https://youtu.be/Bd0cMmBvqWc

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u/cmyer Sep 22 '22

You just reposted the same video. This doesn't prove anything. All it shows is how he much he screwed up by not condemning it to begin with and he realized that it made him look bad. These are all clips happening after the fact.

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u/ChemicalXP Sep 22 '22

Holy shit, you cannot be serious. These are from all across his presidency. You are so full of shit and don't care about the truth.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

and biden eulogized former KKK wizard Robert Byrd, to me thats enough proof

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u/treefitty350 Sep 22 '22

Love this stupid talking point from idiots. Robert Byrd died with a 100% NAACP policy evaluation rating. He is probably the single most famous case of racist turned tolerant in the history of the US Congress.

Hilarious that you could accuse a man of being racist while complaining about the race of a mermaid 4 days ago. Fuck you.

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u/BoltonSauce Sep 22 '22

Trumpers are racist scum. Some of them are just smart enough to not want to be seen that way.

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u/sue_donyem Sep 22 '22

man, /u/treefitty350's reply blew your asshole open

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u/childish_tycoon24 Sep 22 '22

It was probably already blown open from shoving a dildo in his ass to "own the libs"

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u/Thencewasit Sep 22 '22

So, if your father was a racist then that’s proof enough that the children will be as well?

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u/dinnerthief Sep 22 '22

Most Trump fans are not KKK members but most KKK members are Trump fans

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u/1mikeg Sep 22 '22

Most Trump supports subscribe to one or many forms of bigotry. Only some take the time to join the club.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

I'd like to see the data for that statement.

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u/1mikeg Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Enjoy

Sorry, here's the Brookings summary if you don't have access.

Double edit: Found a non paywall version.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 22 '22

Lol have you seen the legislation the GOP is proud to pass?

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u/doggonebd Sep 22 '22

Here's some data that might make you uncomfortable: republican party = white nationalist party. If you stand with Trump and his January 6 goon squad, you stand with the Klan. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/kwm9hm/self_portrait/

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u/dewag Sep 22 '22

That's the strangest dataset I've ever seen. The chart looks like a KKK dude painting himself as Captain America. Just... weird.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

Typical childish response. No actual data just a shitty opinion about a group of people based off the statements of a small vocal minority. Did I get that right?

I don't stand with the GOP, Trump, or the KKK. I also don't stand with Biden, the Democratic Party, or major corporations / Tech h Moguls.

I do stand with typical everyday people just trying to the live their life while trying to navigate this ever changing world.

Unfortunately too many idiots on either side of politics keep screaming and crying while slinging insults just so "muh political candidate can best the other sides political candidate".

No politicians have your best interest at heart and the sooner you learn that the less vitriolic you will be.

Cheers.

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u/Igot2phonez Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

No politicians have your best interest at heart

I hate how people think this is some sort of mic drop moment.Bro we know. We just think the GOP is worse. Which is reasonable. Both sides are not the same. One side is obviously much worse.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

Both parties are terrible. Neither is worse than the other. They have their own shitty objectives. The Democratic party doesn't give a shit about you or your woes. The only reason they run on a socially progressive ticket is because it's easier to appeal to higher populated areas that way.

The republican party also doesn't give a shit about anyone's issues. They just do whatever they think will piss the Democrats off. Which they have been very good at doing apparently.

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u/Lashay_Sombra Sep 22 '22

Neither is worse than the other

Either not paying attention or just trolling

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u/Igot2phonez Sep 22 '22

Nah the GOP has worse policies that are more harmful. Idk why you restated that dems don't give a shit. I literally agreed with that.I just know they are better than the GOP. They're not only trying to piss of dems their trying to cater to their base.

Anyways I know you're not addressing me in good faith. You responded to the guy who showed you a drawing and my comment. But somehow couldn't respond to the guy who presented the data you requested.

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u/doggonebd Sep 22 '22

My opinion isn’t shitty or childish; it’s actually pretty good. I didn’t say you stood with anyone and I dint much care what you stand for. I responded to your bullshit comment about wanting data to support ImKeg’s opinion that most Trump supporters are bigoted in one way or another. Are you aware of a way to accurately measure bigotry in other people? Do you have a body of evidence to disprove the opinion? Maybe try not being the data police or just take a break from commenting.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

All trump's supporters aren't bigoted in one way or another though. That's what I am saying. It is your opinion that they are, without knowing any of the people your are defaming personally.

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u/sloppyjumpcuts Sep 22 '22

Trump is a bigot.

If you support Trump you share in his bigotry.

Thats just like the definition of support dawg.

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

I guess you could say the same for Joe Biden then huh?

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u/Lashay_Sombra Sep 22 '22

If they are not bigoted then why the hell are they supporting a well documented sexist, racist conman and in general also a misogynist, racist, homophobic, fascist party.

As the old quote goes "if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis"

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u/doggonebd Sep 22 '22

I didn’t say all Trump supporters are bigoted 1mKeg said most are. We don’t need data to support or dispute that. You’re saying they aren’t all bigoted, at least that’s what you just said you’re saying. What if I replied with, ‘I’d like to see the data to support that.’? That’s be lazy at least.

I’m not defaming anyone personally. And I do know many Trump supporters, most all of whom I would consider bigoted in one way or another. And the ones who stand with the January 6 rioters and believe the the election were stolen are by and large white nationalists, whether or not they carry the card or don the robe, maga is a cult of the stupid and those who prey on them. Would you like to see the data in that, professor?

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u/ASTaBois Sep 22 '22

Data would certainly be nice to sell your point forward yes.

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u/ohyeawellyousuck Sep 23 '22

Makes sense that you responded to this comment and not the comment citing a study done on the role of racism in the 2016 election.

Because you just want to troll.

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u/1mikeg Sep 22 '22

They're already indoctrinated. Tolerance of their bigotry won't un-indoctrinate them. It's independents we have to focus on so that we can pass effective legislation without them. They're not suddenly going to flip their views because you let them be hateful.

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u/Commercial_Face8662 Sep 22 '22

Most Muslims aren’t suicide bombers, but most suicide bombers are Muslim

Seems like a broad brush huh?

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u/theykilledk3nny Sep 22 '22

I mean yeah that’s true? Most suicide bombers are indeed radical extremist Muslims? What’s your point?

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u/Ok_Contribution_8817 Sep 22 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Narwhal Salute Got the W Eureka!

“You racists make Us fascists look bad”

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

Yeah he doesn't seem to have a problem with their beliefs, just the optics. Am I reading that wrong? I guess this is better than running over to give em a hug lol.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

It’s like what Stormfront says in Boys: “People like what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don’t like the word Nazi, that’s all.”

These people agree with what the KKK stands for, but since the acronym “KKK” has some seriously negative connotations to it, they hate the KKK, not because they disagree with anything the KKK does, but because their mind associates KKK with evil.

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u/ChrisDoom Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Damn, there are really people trying to tell you this isn’t an accurate read on the situation. As statements in a vacuum we agree racism, Nazis, and the KKK are bad but then you see people who don’t seem to actually understand WHY those things are all bad and the condemnation from them is just hollow. From there it can go one of two ways, either they realize their beliefs align with those things and lean in and start openly claiming it or they realize their beliefs aligns with those things and they reevaluate those beliefs.

Although the fact that this guy is wearing an American flag Punisher logo shirt does make me think that he’s not the deep thinking reflective type.

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u/phantom_hope Sep 22 '22

Same with a lot of right-wing germans here in Germany (duh). They hate to be called Nazis even tho they advocate for a fascist regime and the deportation of every single muslim.

They just don't want to be called Nazi, they have no problem spitting fascist and racist arguments.

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

I’m not sure they even necessarily hate the KKK so much as they hate the optics of being openly associated with them.

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u/music3k Sep 22 '22

Theyre told by their propaganda that the KKK are actually Democrats. Its the same problem of them not understanding the parties flipped, or that Trump doesnt give a shit about religion or anything besides himself

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

Honestly, the history and labels are much less important than recognizing that if you share significant overlap in your political views with the klan that you might be the bad guys.

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u/Gary-Fuckin-Oak Sep 22 '22

See, that requires self awareness, which is sorely lacking in these clowns.

There’s a reason why r/SelfAwarewolves exists, and it sure as hell isn’t because any significant number of these people can look in the mirror and self reflect honestly.

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u/music3k Sep 22 '22

They dont care if theyre the bad guys, because a book they dont read supposedly tells them its okay.

See: abortions. The Bible literally explains how to perform an abortion, but these numbnuts are against it

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u/DeusExLibrus Sep 23 '22

Honestly I kinda wish people would stop bringing that up. In context it’s a punishment for the woman being unfaithful, so it’s not really the point for us that some of us think it is. And I’m saying this as someone who used that fact before until I actually went back and read the part of the Bible it’s in.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

You guys are jumping so many mental hurdles just to make the guy clearly berating and hating the KKK as not being so. Don't try so hard, buddy.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

I mean if you actually have a problem with the KKK’s philosophy you wouldn’t be part of MAGA since they’re 99% identical in their philosophies

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I'm going to assume you're white because you clearly have no idea how many non-white MAGA idiots there are.

edit: Clearly a lot of Redditors are too busy foaming at the mouth to process any logical arguments, so I'm going to stop responding to the children here.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

28% of hispanic and 14% of black-male voters agree with the KKK by your argument. Good job morons.

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u/MAKE_ME_REDDIT Sep 22 '22

There are non-white supporters of the KKK.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

Okay, sure.

There are non-racist supporters of MAGA.

Do you agree you sound stupid now?

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

I cant disagree on that, there are a lot more than people think.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Oh I’m aware. But we also have gay people voting for republicans.

Shit, r/leopardsatemyface is a sub dedicated to gay/women/minority/trans republicans voting red and then being like “oh gosh oh wow the people who promised to take my rights away are trying to take my rights away who could’ve send this coming!”

People are fucking idiots, just because some non-white idiots vote against their own rights doesn’t make MAGA any less racist

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u/ChrisDoom Sep 22 '22

I think back to this a lot: "Alt-right" women are upset that "alt-right" men are treating them terribly

When you align yourself with intolerant people you can’t be surprised that some of them will also be intolerant of you. Turns out intolerance is intersectional.

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

No. There are no hurdles to jump. All this guy has said is that they’re making them look bad. He isn’t telling them their views are bad.

It’s entirely possible that he only has a problem with the robes, not the views they represent. After all, the alt-right movement was an effort to rebrand literal nazism in a more presentable package. They weren’t changing the views, just how it’s presented.

It’s not jumping hurdles when we all know that the fascists are well aware that they have an image/PR problem and don’t want to associate themselves with old symbols that have strong negative connotations, like swastikas and klan robes.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

I think the guy saying "if the cops weren't here I'd fight every one of you right now" just hates the KKK, not the optics.

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u/Zmchastain Sep 22 '22

He could also be really passionate about protecting the optics of not associating Trump with the KKK.

You’re jumping mental hurdles trying to defend this guy.

At the end of the day Trump himself has spoken highly of and openly associated with David Duke. The man and many of his followers support the KKK. Even if this particular guy doesn’t, he’s an outlier in this group.

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u/Vanillabean1988 Sep 22 '22

How are THEY jumping mental hurdles? 😂. The dude is literally saying they would fight them if the police wasn't there. That's pretty clear evidence he doesn't like them. There's no mental hurdles to jump here, it's you and the folk that agree with you that are doing the brain gymnastics to convince yourselves that he doesn't actually mean it really.

No mental gymnastics involved in hearing a statement and taking it at face value, it's you whose twisting it because your brain short circuits when faced with a reality you may not understand.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

How am I jumping mental hurdles? Do you even know what that phrase means?

The guy yelling at the KKK and saying he'd fight them probably does not like them. That's not a hurdle, that's a sidewalk, champ.

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

In fairness after rewatching he does mention white supremacy though I couldnt entirely make out what he said. I would guess he doesnt favor it. At least openly. The other guy seemed to be shouting youre racists. I do take issue with claims of being "real americans". These guys are monarchists who do not support democratic ideas unless they favor their favored monarch or viewpoint Thats pretty much the opposite of American ideals or what this country was founded on. Im glad he doesnt like the kkk but these guys are still asshats.

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u/surfnporn Sep 22 '22

Agreed, I really do strongly despise Trump supporters.

That said, the amount of people in this thread that can't fathom "Not all Trump supporters like the KKK" is excruciatingly painful. It's the idiots like think like that which make it increasingly difficult to associate with the left.

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u/getthephenom Sep 22 '22

This was the exact thought that came to my mind.

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u/ignatiusjreillyreak Sep 22 '22

He is fighting the racists on camera in public, we can at least give him a little slack. It takes a lot to state you are not racist and also fight racists in public like that of you are a racist.

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u/Shovels93 Sep 22 '22

What part do they agree with exactly?

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

That people of color are ruining the country and the only way to save is to do mass deportations and shut down borders so no more immigrants can get in

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u/Poopiepants29 Sep 22 '22

Some of them, maybe. Or like, from all of my experience with them, it's just that they've been convinced that they hate "liberals"... And Trump and conservatives are the cure to them and their agendas. Not really anything to do with race, for the majority, but go and paint that broad reddit upvotey brush.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

“Mexico is sending us drug dealers and rapists”

“We need to build a wall to keep immigrants out”

Yeah. Absolutely nothing to do with race

And if they don’t agree with that, but they still vote for Trump anyway and all the homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic shit that comes with it just for the sake of “owning the libs.” That makes it even worse, because that means you’re voting for things you know are fucked up and don’t even believe it all in an attempt to upset someone.

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u/Shovels93 Sep 22 '22

That’s a wild misrepresentation of the actual argument .

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u/No-comment-at-all Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Well, what’s the actual argument?

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u/DirtyDoctrine Sep 22 '22

Oh, I look forward to their response. This should be good.

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u/No-comment-at-all Sep 22 '22

There you go, they finally did.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

That people of color are ruining the country and the only way to save it is to do mass deportations and shut down borders so no more immigrants can get in

He just can’t say that cuz it sounds racist

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

These people agree with what the KKK stands for,

They clearly don't.

It won't kill you to have some common ground with people you disagree with.

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u/IPDDoE Sep 22 '22

It's honestly not a large leap...

*White protestant Christian, check

*"law and order," check

*curbing immigration, check

*"saving America" from the dirties, check

*Great Replacement Theory, check

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

Your characterizations are equally nonsensical.

Plenty of non white, non Christians love President Trump, what box are you going to place them in to make your ridiculous comparisons?

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u/IPDDoE Sep 22 '22

I'd say it's probably likely that they agree with at least a few of the ideas listed, otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him, because he certainly didn't stand for much else as president. Then there's the fact that your originally commented that "these people" don't agree with the KKK, not literally everyone who voted for trump. But considering this guy is white, is wearing a symbol that the morons have unironically adopted as representing the "law and order" meme I referenced, and the fact that trump himself and or his most vocal supporters have both hinted at and outright said all the things I listed, it seems like you're doing whatever you can to mischaracterize my point to make yourself appear right.

Fun fact, you're the first person I tagged who then showed back up in my inbox with exactly the same type of comments for which I tagged you in the first place.

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u/FriedEggScrambled Sep 23 '22

I don’t understand why you choose to die on the hill you’re standing on.

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u/engi_nerd Sep 22 '22

Quite the mental gymnastics you have there.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

“Stop thinking about it logically. The guy who hates people of color said “fuck you” to someone else who hates people of color. Therefore he doesn’t hate people of color.

He will prove this by voting to strip the rights from people of color in 2024”

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u/engi_nerd Sep 22 '22

Lmao ok bud 🤡

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u/Just_Jer Sep 22 '22

I know you guys love to make your little points, but you DO realize Joe Biden spoke at the funeral of a KKK member, right? Look up Robert Byrd. But you didn't vote for him, right? You're one of the GOOD Democrats...

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u/DreamedJewel58 Sep 22 '22

Yup, exactly. Almost any time you see right-wingers argue about the KKK, it’s almost always just “they make us look bad!” instead of actually talking about their generational influence on modern day Republican politics and trying to separate the two

They’re essentially saying “we’re fine with you, just take the hood off and stop giving us bad optics!”

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u/fusillade762 Sep 22 '22

To be fair, after watching it again he does mention white supremacy, I just cant make out what hes saying but I dont think it was voicing support. Not openly. How much of this is performative is probably 100% but I dont know whats in this mans heart. Other than he supports an orange fascist scumbag who attracts love and admiration from the KKK and neo nazis. So thats not great.

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u/MKclinch8 Sep 22 '22

Guy is just wearing a different version of an asshole’s uniform

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u/getthephenom Sep 22 '22

They stand for the same thing. Just don't like saying KKK.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

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u/dasher11 Sep 22 '22

The fact that he ends with saying, "You're making white patriotism look bad," confirms for me that he is racist. Maybe you think it's "inferring" because you're used to that kind of casually racist language.

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u/PerfectZeong Sep 22 '22

Yeah because hes white and showing patriotism and he feels that the media makes white people who are patriots out to be white supremacists. Like whatever you may think about what he thinks is patriotism he's not saying that with a racist intent.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If Trump supporters are going to get ridiculed for taking a stand against the KKK, then you can't really expect them to change camps either.

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u/Y_signal2020 Sep 22 '22

The guy straight up says, "you're making us look bad!" It's not about ideology, it's about optics.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Okey. Atleast we can agree with this dude that being associated with the KKK looks bad. If we want someone to change their political views I think we got to start from the middle ground.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 22 '22

"Can't we all just get along and punch a Nazi today?"

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

That's the spirit!

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u/NewSauerKraus Sep 22 '22

It’s funny because it’s not the klan making maga look bad. It’s the identical ideologies that make them look bad together.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Yes, and my guess is that this guy realizes that at some level. Call me a naive stoner if you will, but if someone had a compassionate heart to heart with this guy, maybe he could come to terms with it and ditch the maga fever dream.

But ofc, the lolz could have the benefit of pushing him to insanity, which would be even more funny. So why bother.

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u/tryingtobecheeky Sep 22 '22

No. He genuinely hates white supremacist. You can be non racist and a fascist.

It's weird and needs a lot of cognitive dissonance but it's possible.

Cause he wants to see people's rights curbed stomped... but equally without targeting POC.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 22 '22

Then who does he want targeted?

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u/tryingtobecheeky Sep 22 '22

I dunno. I'm not in his brain. But he probably has this horrifyingly wrong image of what and who Trump is and is worshipping that false idol.

I had a friend like that. Attended BLM rallies, supported sister's MTF surgeries, accompanied his friends to abortion clinics ... but loves Trump.

He believes Trump is actually pro-choice and cool with the gays and POC but playing the long con. And will save America.

He is legit a bit dumb, especially since we aren't American.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

That’s the problem with us politics everything is black and white and it paints the supporters of both parties as black and white when in reality everything is nuanced and in grey. I think it would be cool to see a USA that has more split parties to see where people really split on nuance and issues

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u/Tessara444 Sep 22 '22

Theocratic fascists . So... Racist, but basing it all in the religion to pretend it's not just as bigoted.

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u/WhiteyFiskk Sep 22 '22

Reminds me of the old south park episode with the racist flag. Nobody wants the KKK to be seen on their side of the argument

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u/Makes_Them_Eat_Honey Sep 22 '22

I’m gonna get downvoted to hell by this but you do know that by calling half the country fascists for having more right wing opinions you’re actually the ones that are putting them on the track to become fascists? You can see it clearly if you go back and watch the news from Reagan and Bush Jr. Y’all (thank god) have no idea what fascism or socialism is in the US.

You want European “socialism” without having ID’s, which is impossible since the ID is the basis to distributing resources from the state. You want open borders without realising that again, a socialism system works when every citizen is contributing and paying taxes or it quickly becomes impossible to sustain it. Abortion laws are the same, I completely agree that abortion should be legal but you used to be able to abort up until something like 26 weeks in some states using Europe as a justification, without realising that no state in Europe allows abortion for more than 18 weeks.

I don’t support anyone because I’m not an American and it’s not my place, but I do worry by seeing people turning so extreme on both sides. Without compromise democracy fails, try to learn from history. If you don’t allow someone to be a conservative they’ll get more radical and eventually turn into the fascists you claim them to be.

Also, yes, I only commented on left leaning problems because I know no conservative is reading this on Reddit. Y’all need to chill, you got a great country, please don’t ruin it cause eventually I want to emigrate over there.

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u/Hunterio009 Sep 22 '22

I know right haha the cognitive dissonance is astounding.

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u/palehorse95 Sep 22 '22

I never understood how the group that wants to shrink the influence of govt, disband entire governmental agencies, and ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth against a possible tyrannical turn by the govt, could possibly be fascist?

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u/JolteonJoestar Sep 22 '22

Expansion of police, military, and private-public partnerships :)

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u/Jay_R_Kay Sep 22 '22

I mean, they talk a good talk about shrinking federal government influence, but they hardly walk the walk. They just want to expand the government in the ways that they want.

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u/palehorse95 Sep 22 '22

Let's be honest here. Any fear of a possible authoritarian govt would have to be focused on any person or party that grows the size and/or authority of the federal govt. The recent addition of 87,000 IRS agents, many of which will be armed, does not bode well for the current party in power.

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u/Jerkcules Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

What? The 87000 IRS agents are just there to help the wildly understaffed IRS process tax returns. Some of those are enforcement agents, but most are just accountants. And this is after the GOP gutted the IRS in 2011 to benefit the ultra-rich:

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-irs-was-gutted

The current spin is that it's an "87,000 strong army", but that's just anti-taxation propaganda pushed by the wealthy and their toy soldiers in Congress. They been trying to destroy the IRS since at least the 90's.

Whenever a politician talks about "small government", look at their donors. 99% of the time they're a mouthpiece for corporations who just wants less regulation/taxation. Those politicians will gladly support more government when it supports their donors' interests. Virtually no politician actually wants less power.

Let's also not ignore that while this crowd claims to be anti-authoritarian, they love police. Given that the police are the general public's main interaction with executive power, I'd hesitate to call them "anti-authoritarian" by any stretch just based on that. Not to mention that the conservative stance on issues like abortion and immigration are pro-big government.

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u/taws34 Sep 22 '22

"shrink the influence of the government"

Nixon, a Republican, created the EPA.

W.Bush created the Department of Homeland Security.

The only part of the government that Republicans want to shrink are the social programs that benefit citizens.

Otherwise, they are more than happy to increase funding for the police and military.

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u/Ok_Contribution_8817 Sep 22 '22

And let’s not forget that the Federal Government actually grew by 49% under Ronald Reagan

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u/tturedditor Sep 22 '22

As others have mentioned, they do NOT want to shrink the government. They want to use the government to force their religion on the entire population (abortion ban, books being banned, same sex marriage ban, prevent same sex couples from adopting, etc).

And their ideas to get rid of government agencies are downright ignorant.

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u/ibetthisistaken5190 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

shrink the influence of government

This is a cover. They want to selectively shrink it (e.g., financial regs), but they make it more than intrusive in other ways. Texas’ abortion laws immediately come to mind.

But that’s the point, right? These are no longer Republicans.

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u/homietheclown Sep 22 '22

A government so small it fits in your bedroom and your uterus.

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u/notbad2u Sep 22 '22

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Conservatism%20in%20the%20United%20States%20is%20a%20political%20and%20social,in%20relation%20to%20U.S.%20states.

Exactly what you said. It's interesting to note that British Conservativism (aka Burkian) is pretty different -- Burke argued against revolution for instance -- but in effect American Conservativism could be seen as idealizing Monarchy.

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u/ProfBunimo Sep 22 '22

Do people who want to shrink the government do things like propose abortion bans and try to limit who can marry who? Do they try to force libraries to ban books? Do they try to steal elections?

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u/PerfectZeong Sep 22 '22

What party is the party of small government? It's not Republicans. It's not Democrats either but its certainly not Republicans.

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u/flentaldoss Sep 22 '22

I never understood how the group that wants to shrink the influence of govt in economic distribution, but increase its control of individuals' lifestyle choices, disband entire governmental social services while increasing power and funding of enforcement agencies, and ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth against a possible tyrannical democratic turn by the govt minorities becoming the plurality, could possibly be facist

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u/Juggz666 Sep 22 '22

Yeah the group that appointed judges to strike down super-precedent so certain red states can regulate vaginas at the cost of women's health cant be fascist whatsoever./s

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u/Mino_Swin Sep 22 '22

Because they only want to reduce the "size" of the government, not the actual force it controls. This simply takes the same amount of power and concentrates it into a smaller number of hands. No conservative politician seeks to reduce the number of police or soldiers at the government's command, merely the oversight apparatus that governs their use and conduct. When government agencies are disbanded in this context, their influence is not returned to a democratic electorate, but to "government contracting" corporations that seek to run the necessary functions of society for personal enrichment rather than the public good. The privatization of social utilities means that these organizations are no longer accountable to the democratic electorate, merely to the pursuit and extraction of profit by any means.

As to the society being armed to the teeth, this actually does little to guarantee freedom. Authoritarian politicians understand that they can count on a large number of armed ideological groups to function as non-state paramilitaries, who support police and military forces, and intimidate political opposition, while granting plausible deniability to politicians when they are used. They also understand that when left wing groups conduct any similar activities, they can be directly confronted by armed right wing reactionaries who are often tacitly or openly supported by police and national guard forces.

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u/Y_signal2020 Sep 22 '22

small government

laughs in

War in Drugs War on Terror Blue Lives Matter

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u/Asclepius333 Sep 22 '22

That's because they aren't the party of "small government." Maybe they were at one time, but current American Conservative ideology is only functional when a hierarchy is established, implemented, and preserved via our laws and the "culture wars" that they're always on about. In this country, that hierarchy is both race and class based, with an ENORMOUS overlap between the two because it was set up that way.

The guy in this video may be sincere in his hatred for the KKK, but voting for the current Republican party as it stands today means voting for people who agree with the KKKs sentiments. I would say that Republican/Nat-C politicians are more discrete with their racism than the KKK, but every day that proves less and less true.

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u/_BeerAndCheese_ Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

that wants to shrink the influence of govt, disband entire governmental agencies

Only in ways that benefit the majority and harm the vulnerable. Increasing military spending, increasing police funding (and blindly supporting them ESPECIALLY when they are beating civilians in the streets), expanding the prison system, building a giant border wall, caging immigrants, trafficking LEGAL migrants, banning and burning books, forcing schools to teach based on their ideologies, openly working to force their religion on everyone else, dictating who and who cannot be married, and let's not forget forcing women to have children (against the majority's will). These all directly fly in the face of "shrinking gov influence", doesn't it? But hey, they're defunding schools in poor neighborhoods, so only the rich get to go to private schools with vouchers. Seriously, never in my lifetime has any conservative been in favor of reducing government across the board. They pick and choose what they want to disband. Once you decide to think critically about what they disband and what they enforce, the answers become quite clear. I mean seriously, these are the people who push for capital punishment, the ultimate oppressive tool of a government. You don't get to claim you want to "shrink the influence of gov" when you at the same time push to make it legal for the government to KILL PEOPLE. Like what kind of duplicitous shit is that.

ensure that the civilian population are armed to the teeth

Governor Reagan, aka conservative jesus, enacted gun laws in California due to "uppity blacks". This wasn't that long ago. Trump banned bump stocks, against gun advocate wishes. And are you so sure they're the party that wants people armed? That number of people prosecuted for firearms continued to rise to 14,200 in 2020, btw. It looks to me that at least in my life time, every Republican president has seen a massive spike in federal firearm prosecutions, and every Democratic one has massive declines. To the point that Obama presidency saw nearly half as many as Bush Jr.

Fascism blames the ills of society on minority groups that exist within the society, and posits that the problems can be solved by reducing or exterminating the influence of those "outsiders". This fits Trumpism ideology to the T. Those groups are un-American; the reason you are not well off is because those immigrants keep taking jobs, those minorities have affirmative action, those gay people are getting married, those communists are attacking Christmas. These are all regular talking points.

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u/dstar09 Sep 22 '22

Hate to break it to you, but Trump, after he found out he lost in 2020, wanted to deploy the military to overturn the results of the presidential election! See https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/12/19/trump-reportedly-asked-advisors-about-deploying-military-to-overturn-election/?sh=5e8bfacace2b Trump also had a surprising number of military generals as part of his cabinet/staff, more than any president since Ulysses Grant. Trump told one general in his staff that he wished HIS generals in his staff were more loyal like to him like the generals in Nazi Germany under Hitler! He also wanted to have a military parade just like the fascist dictators have to display military strength to everyone. I could give you many more examples of Trump’s tendencies towards fascism if you want. Here’s a link for the last one: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

Because these people don't know what fascism is.

They think fascism is sending a "mean" tweet.

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u/PirateJazz Sep 22 '22

YOU'RE THE ONE USING BIG WORDS! <WHY?

ALSO! Fascism is an appropriate name for an administration that usurps power through unscrupulous means (gerrymandering, propaganda, election fraud, an attempted coup...) and uses that power to subjugate our citizens, diminishing or outright eliminating our rights.

Ask yourself, if the Republicans really want a small government, why are they constantly trying to pass legislation that gives the government more control over our personal lives?

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

There was no policy or action under the Trump administration that resembles anything that looks like fascism

Unless he tried to force you to take a vaccine, then maybe you could start there.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 22 '22

Dude, his very first legislative action was the "Muslim ban."

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

There wasn't a ban on Muslims though.

The actual ban was for specific countries originally set by Obama, which forbid citizens from these countries from entering the US for a number of reasons.

Muslims from any other country were welcome to legally migrate to the US.

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u/turinturambar81 Sep 22 '22

Making Sidney Powell a special counsel in December 2020 with the authority to seize voting machines, at the very least, qualifies.

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u/reddit4getit Sep 22 '22

Quick Google...

But all versions included language that would have allowed Trump to appoint a special counsel to investigate claims of foreign interference in the 2020 election,

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/04/trump-draft-order-voting-machines-white-house-meeting

That isn't fascism, thats following protocol to begin an investigation.

President Trump never followed through with this anyhow.

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u/turinturambar81 Sep 22 '22

I'm not talking about appointing a Special Counsel alone, of which there were already 2 during his administration (Mueller and Durham). I'm talking about that he was doing so with his own lawyer, and that her plan was to seize voting machines, which is not a power held by the Federal Government. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/08/15/sidney-powell-coffee-county-sullivan-strickler/

He already had his cronies handling them inappropriately in at least GA. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3651657-footage-shows-trump-allies-handling-georgia-voting-equipment/

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u/Conrexxthor Sep 22 '22

Funniest part to me is that the KKK also support Trump, so this guy is like "You racist fascists make us regularly intolerant fascists look bad!"

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u/ABCosmos Sep 22 '22

Yeah, that guy might want to reflect on why the KKK is on their side.

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u/SilentSamurai Sep 22 '22

I'd be careful what you wish for. They may connect the dots in a way you couldn't foresee.

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u/FSCK_Fascists Sep 22 '22

Right. the Proud Boys leader they were investigating, while being interviewed by an undercover, started bragging about exterminating or removing all the jews once trump gets back in power.

this is his base. this one guy is either an outlier, or more likely angry at the optics of having the KKK there. Not that they are there or what they stand for. Just bad optics.

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u/Markantonpeterson Sep 22 '22

And i'd gurantee he still listens to Tucker Carlson and agrees with "the great replacement" theory and all that white supremacist shit. He just doesn't like that the KKK is out in the open about it.

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u/rfccrypto Sep 22 '22

Don't you remember the time trump was handed a gay pride banner on stage and proved he's on their side? You know, before he nominated all the right wing conservatives to courts to dismantle civil rights.

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u/Deesing82 Sep 22 '22

yeah and all the other trumpers around him are conspicuously silent

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u/ShaolinFantastic420 Sep 22 '22

For real, no one else stood up to them as far as we know. I'm assuming it was a rather large event if the KKK bothered to show up. I'd be more impressed if I was reading a news article that reports the entire crowd kicked them out of town.

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u/Better-Director-5383 Sep 22 '22

Yea this isn’t a case of trump supporters being good it’s a case of this guy not knowing what he’s supporting.

Trump already called neo nazis marching and chanting the Jews will not replace us very fine people.

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u/Professional_Turd Sep 22 '22

He didn't call the Neo-Nazis very fine people. He clarified that less than a minute later.

"And you had people, and I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than Neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

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u/Better-Director-5383 Sep 22 '22

It was a crowd of neo nazis chanting the Jews will not replace us and he said there were fine people on both sides.

I don’t give a fuck what his moronic attempts to backpeddle were afterwards, especially because he continued to appeal to them everyday after that.

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u/bkbeezy Sep 22 '22

The rally was run by white supremacists. You don’t go to a white supremacist rally unless you also believe that.

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u/incaseshesees Sep 22 '22

Agreed, he's just worried they'll look bad to CNN, he's not against the KKK, per se

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u/lost_alpaca90 Sep 22 '22

Exactly let's not forget all those kkk members are also trump supporters.

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u/George_Tirebiter420 Sep 22 '22

The gold isn't hot enough to crown him with... yet.

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u/Ordinary-Bet-1343 Sep 22 '22

Agreed 9/11 & 1/6 NEVER forget

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u/Funkyokra Sep 22 '22

Trump wasn't there. He would have said that the KKK were very fine people.

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u/AnxietyRodeo Sep 22 '22

One guy willing to do what Trump never would - denounce white supremacists.

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u/creativityonly2 Sep 22 '22

"Yeah, let's all give him an award. The "not as bad as he could have been" Award."

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u/Leakyrooftops Sep 22 '22

It’s one confused guy, because Trump’s platform is bigotry and more for the rich.

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u/eifersucht12a Sep 22 '22

I love how there's no low they can sink to whete faux-centrists will stop disappearing up their own asses to go "Well I don't agree with them on everything but..."

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u/TheForanMan Sep 22 '22

Not only that, but it’s just one guy who clearly doesn’t understand his party’s stance on racism. He didn’t get the memo that they are supposed to quietly accept the KKK at their rallies.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 22 '22

Honestly I don’t get how you can like Trump while simultaneously hating the KKK when Trump endorses them and the proud boys. Like you think one would either be ok with the KKK, since Trump supports them, or you would hate Trump, since he supports the KKK.

These are the type of people that just vote red because of the big R next to Trump’s name and don’t actually agree with any of the shit he says.

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u/Independent-Ruin-185 Sep 22 '22

I don't get how you can like either one. Trump Lite or Trump, both have a pretty solid history of overt racism.

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u/SilentSamurai Sep 22 '22

If we want to get America off this facism kick, we need to understand why they have the base they do.

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u/uhdude Sep 22 '22

Trump doesnt support the KKK

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u/Matren2 Sep 22 '22

Sure, tell yourself that.

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u/A_Little_Wyrd Sep 22 '22

They support him

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u/slybird Sep 22 '22

No, it was two guys, but still a good point. We can't ignore that the rest of those in that line were silent.

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u/bored1414 Sep 22 '22

To be fair I don’t think silence means they agree either way. Most people will stay silent in situations like this, not because they don’t have an opinion but most people aren’t confident enough to voice it in public like this.

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u/slybird Sep 22 '22

Maybe. I'm just having a hard time imagining them being silent if it was bunch of pro-choice trans Biden people at shouting distance. I think people that go to rallies and protests are not the silent types.

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u/sureshot1988 Sep 22 '22

If it were a thousand guys it doesn't make trump the champion of civil rights. What it does, is shed some light on stereotypes created by people to support their own ideals.

I live in the deep south and I can tell you that while Trump supporters may not always be the brightest people, I have literally never met one that ACTUALLY supports the KKK as well. Most of those guys are sovereign citizens anyway. A small minority may but that's all it is.

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u/Aggressive-Sound-641 Sep 22 '22

Particularly when Trump opened the door and welcomed them in.

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u/NerevarineTribunal Sep 22 '22

Especially if we find out the guy votes for people like Paul Gosar, for example.

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u/gdizz211 Sep 22 '22

Lol.. to be fair there was another guy backing up that vato. But it was cool to see that he wasnt taking there BS.

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u/Mrpandacorn2002 Sep 22 '22

Honestly trump doesn’t have anything to do with it he isn’t there and didn’t tell them to say that if we crowning anyone crown the guy yelling at the kkk

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u/TurdTurgason Sep 22 '22

Whether or not you like Trump, there many of us that are like this guy. All we wanted was small government, low taxes, and individual freedom. Now we are grouped in with morons and racists. I personally think racism is abhorrent, disgusting, and evil. I know many conservatives who agree. We're not all rocks-for-brains, but the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. I disagree with a lot of the left, but have no problem hearing it or discussing it. On the other hand, I refuse to tolerate racism around me. We are stuck at each other's throats while a disease spreads at both extremes.

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u/turinturambar81 Sep 22 '22

The problem is that this has not been how the GOP actually governs post-Eisenhower. You could argue Goldwater was this guy, but you chose Nixon instead. Democrats have had lower deficits, blue states are net tax providers and red states are net tax earners, and GOP presidents are responsible for every major foreign conflict we've had post-Vietnam, but even there, Nixon kept us in it.

But that's not what the GOP "says" and your side doesn't vote for reality, just what sounds like what you want. It's not that I love Democrats or big government or Joe Biden. I just can't believe objectively that anyone from the GOP is going to govern with the best interests of the country at this point. Not a single elected member of the GOP in 2022 can back their words with their actions.

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u/HashtagNAFO Sep 22 '22

Even sadder, considering that today's GOP favors the opposite of all of that. But with the personality cult around Trump, it's really beyond reason, and not really worth wasting the brain cells thinking about. If Trump can increase the national debt by 40% and still sell himself to rubes as "small government" and "fiscally responsible", there's not much else to say, except that we must deserve it somehow.

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u/benjamminam Sep 22 '22

Really though, he's just a self aware wolf knowing that having the KKK alongside them doesn't help their cause at all.

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