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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/abbeaird Sep 22 '22 Take My Energy

Well I'm on board with this sentiment regardless of political affiliation

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u/chairfairy Sep 22 '22

Even if I could pretend Trump isn't a bigoted old man (which I can't), a lot of white supremacists sure seem to think he's on their side. And he doesn't try very hard to convince them otherwise.

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist, but all racists voted for Trump.

(edit) looks like some jimmies got rustled by my comment. Oh well. :)

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 22 '22

Not all of them, there is a guy in my hometown that has a confederate flag flying and votes DNC every single election. I think I have a pic of an election sign in his yard with the confederate flag in the background.

But it's just "southern pride".

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u/Czsixteen Sep 22 '22

Now that's interesting.

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u/jasapper Sep 22 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

If it's an older guy he may have just never gotten the memo re: Dems and Reps swapping ideologies back during the Civil Rights Movement.

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u/PrestigeCitywide Sep 23 '22

Lmao. I’m just imagining the man never paying an ounce of attention to anything other than when the election takes place then showing up and voting for Democrats because he assumes they’re still the most racist option. Thanks for that lol

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u/omghorussaveusall Sep 23 '22

That goddamned King preacher is a fucking Republican. Ain't never gonna catch me voting for those race traitors!

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u/RazekDPP Sep 23 '22

"I ain't never gunna vote for the party of Lincoln, they done did freed them there slaves!!"

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u/DrBigChicken Sep 23 '22

They are the best option to vote for if you hate people of color

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u/PrestigeCitywide Sep 23 '22

Go on. I’ll hear you out

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 22 '22

Early 50's. Just really dislikes black people for no reason other than racist. We've had a few go arounds.

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u/invalidcrazy Sep 22 '22

The ideological switch happened during the great depression

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u/fla_john Sep 23 '22

It began during the Depression, really turned during Civil Rights, and was complete with the election of Ronald Reagan

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u/ralexander1997 Sep 23 '22

I love that leftists can’t even agree when the infamous party switch was supposed to have happened lmao

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u/cruss4612 Sep 23 '22 'MURICA

Ugh. Your statement holds as much credibility as saying the sky is green.

Maybe, if you've never looked at any of the evidence.

The Democrats didn't stop being racist, they learned how to be racist quietly. Republicans didn't destroy black families, welfare did. And democrats want it to go further. The policies that end up screwing minorities the hardest and in inescapable ways, have always been supported by democrats. Hell Democrats brought back fucking segregation ayfs? But it's OK if we segregate now though, for inclusivity. They literally justify it as being equal to everyone else's, but separate.

Republicans didn't trap minorities and the poor with a structured incentive to be generational dependent on welfare. Republicans didn't cosponsor the bills that became laws to put "Super Predators" behind bars. Or to give police departments fucking hand grenades and tanks and antimateriel machine guns. Republicans are definitely to blame for the drug war that's killed millions, broken millions of homes, stamped on minority communities, and prevented important research on medicine. Republicans want work requirements and that's racist, except democrats prefer welfare recipients to legitimately have zero responsibility. Which is actually more damaging?

Let's not kid ourselves, the Republicans didn't actually switch with the democrats. All elections and the policies put in place during that time showed gradual but steady encroachment from the North. And as Republicans moved in, Jim Crow Laws were repealed or ended.

NEOCONS are fucking awful. I mean, they gave us the Bush family and Trump. But Democrats have been horribly racist, but they literally buy the black vote. Johnson opposed civil rights and called a SC Justice the N word. His strategy for securing the black vote was to start what our welfare system has become. Incentivizing single mother's (not fathers), no work, in government housing, eating government food, with money for clothes coming from government. Sound familiar? And here's why. It keeps them in check. They can take everything away at the drop of a pin. Do something they don't like, gone. Get too loud about something like giving a whole city full of black folk syphilis, then lie about treatment and watch them slowly die when a cure is available to gain knowledge we already knew. Gone. Btw FDR was the approval on that.

The current president has so many racially charged "gaffes" that he then voted in line with, I can't believe that anyone still believes this bullshit. Every single Democrat president has directly done something, or done something to make everyday life harder for Blacks. Voter ID is a one day a year thing. And it's racist af to say that black folks are so poor they can't get the thing they will get arrested(or shot) for not having. Fuck man, most ID laws say a piece of mail that matches stated name and address of record will work. Like junk mail. Or bill collectors. Or a electricity bill. Which is more damaging? Having an ID that you're already legally required to carry? Or being a child hearing "Black people are so poor they can't get a basic legal requirement"?

They didn't switch, they learned how to be low key.

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u/BlackSilkEy Sep 23 '22

My brother in Christ...if I had the $crilla you would have 2 gold awards rn. Probably the best summary of the African American political struggle I've seen on reddit.

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u/justtryingtounderst Sep 23 '22

what this fuck is this bizarre rant? this ain't even true...

go fuck yourself for your propaganda. Enough people have been hurt already.

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u/cruss4612 Sep 23 '22

It ain't propaganda. When examining cause and effect, it's clear what happened in the 60s and 70s.

Structurally, both parties remain the same as they were then. Democrats have been locked into their platform for 100 years, that didn't change. Very pro government. Very much pro welfare state. Very much exactly the same on every issue. Except one tiny thing.

There's zero evidence that the party even changed ideology besides "yes they did". They had Robert fucking Byrd as one of their highest held colleagues. The big "progressive" figures, Johnson, Byrd, FDR, Clinton, Obama, all of them did heavy damage to black households and their ability to ever be equal to white ones.

They just got better at image. The Democrats are masters at image. They change the terminology to suit their agenda. But they'll still have black folk eating in the gutter while they actively put measures in place that are structured to have the same end goal. They didn't switch parties. The racists got better at being racist.

Or are you going to tell me everything I mentioned was unintended. That Johnson didn't know when he said he'd have their vote for 200 years, that it was racist. He's friggin on tape N Wording all about Clarence Thomas. He called the Civil Rights Act the N word bill. He was a documented racist. Clinton said multiple abhorrent racist ass things while in office.

What's more likely? The party responsible for Jim Crow Laws suddenly up and changed ONE aspect of their approach? Or that the people who staffed that party became quietly calculating on how to suppress black folks success?

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u/zaxdaman Sep 23 '22

Still there’s this one Dem candidate…something, something…Obama. Did old guy still vote Dem?

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u/Pbx123456 Sep 23 '22

You mean the guy is still pissed off about the party of Lincoln? Did he miss out on the 1960’s civil rights switcharoo?

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u/pauljaytee Sep 23 '22

No, not remarkable. Any open group of sufficient size will attract scumbags and extremists.

It doesn't matter what the group says they'll do.

What matters is whether the groups actually take action to address the offenders

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u/TheCamerlengo Sep 22 '22

Yes it is. It seems improbable but there is always that one exception to the rule.

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u/3y3_l1v3_1n_p41n Sep 22 '22

That's how my grandma was. She was super old south. "Blacks are fine people, we just don't need to mix with em. They're too different. Blue birds and blackbirds don't mix." She was 100% democrats, voted for Kennedy.

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 22 '22

I've met a few.

I only replied with my story because I don't like absolutes. The world is full of grey.

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u/paythefullprice Sep 23 '22

That's how my grandma was. Blooped out when I dated a black girl in highschool. Was loud and proud of Obama.

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u/IcyEntertainment8908 Sep 23 '22

As a southerner by birth and mostly raised in the north (parents grew up in the south) I express southern pride by saying shit like "yall" or "kit and kaboodle" or "pertinear"

Ya know? Fun stuff. I never understood the southern pride as flying a "rebel" flag. Its flat out disgusting to me.

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u/EmilioFreshtevez Sep 23 '22

I live in Iowa and see a shitload of confederate flags to “represent their heritage.” This is interesting to me, because quite often these people have family lines that have been in the state for generations - and Iowa was never in the Confederacy.

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 23 '22

Especially when this guy has no southern roots, let alone visited there.

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u/IcyEntertainment8908 Sep 23 '22

And that their idea of the Confederate flag may not even be tied to the "south" just "heritage". What heritage? Hmmm?

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u/Rawnblade12 Sep 24 '22

Neither did I.

It's the flag of traitors, of racists who fought for the right to own other human beings.

What heritage? What pride? The Confederacy only lasted 4 fucking years!

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u/wiinkme Sep 23 '22

A lot of older white midwest union guys have been proudly Dem their entire lives. It usually isn't a left/right principal thing as much as the Democratic party was traditionally the party of the blue collar union worker. And from my experience, a chunk these dudes are very racist. Lived across the street (I'm in Michigan) from someone similar - flew a confederate flag in his garage but also talked up his 30 years as a union pipe fitter (not even sure what that means) and while he sure seemed like a typical MAGA capper, he always had political signs for the left each election.

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u/nokinship Sep 23 '22

They still are the union party at least in comparison to the gop.

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u/freshpairofayes Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Fox: The left are the REAL racists.

Oh really? Sign me up. /s

Edit: Thought /s would be enough to show it as a joke.(i.e, someone stupid enough to believe Fox) Oh well.

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 22 '22

A vast majority, VAST, of the liberal left are not racist.

But you be you and put words in mouths.

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u/ImNotARapist_ Sep 22 '22

I would argue it's a different kind of racism of low expectations. Like getting offended on behalf of others implying that minorities are either too stupid or too weak to defend themselves or know when something is offensive towards them.

And don't get me started on the amount of white liberals that think they are the savior of the unwashed colored people.

It's not a racism of hatred, but it's still good ole fashioned racism. "Oh you poor oppressed brown man, let me the empowered white uplift you from your poor wretched existence because you can't do it yourself!"...or as Biden put it "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

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u/Babill Sep 23 '22

Or racists against White people, which contrary to what some would like you to think, do exist.

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u/Interplanetary-Goat Sep 22 '22

That's what happens when you check the party platform in 1860 and then keep voting for one party without any further research.

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u/fileznotfound Sep 23 '22

That is impressively consistent.

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u/bob-knows-best Sep 23 '22

I live in New England. There's a middle aged black guy who moved into our neighborhood recently, and he, from time to time displays a confederate flag on his scooter, on the front yard. Yes, I said scooter. Also, the state I live in has no gangs, or ghettos. A few drug-heads and a growing homeless population, but that's it. I give background because I can't understand why a black man would ever display a confederate flag.🤷‍♂️

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u/Weekly_Direction1965 Sep 23 '22

Dude is a unicorn, Democrats are the ones banning that flag while Trump is upset about it.

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u/nokinship Sep 23 '22

Votes Democratic national convention?

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 23 '22

I worded that poorly, he votes for whatever the DNC backs as their favorite candidate, he doesn't do a single bit of research or understanding. He is a puppet voter.

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u/askeen01 Sep 23 '22

Not surprising at all. The Dems are the party of "White Supremacy". At least according to their old logos. Oh and don't forget old Robert Byrd.

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u/digital_disposition Sep 23 '22

I knew people when I was younger in Missouri that just liked the way the flag looked and they knew it was like "a rebel flag". I think theres a fair amount of Americans that just don't know the flags history. They just see it as being a rebel.

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 23 '22

Probably the only thing I'd ever want to see the flag on is the General Lee from Dukes of Hazard. OG tv show.

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u/HumorExpensive Sep 23 '22

He wouldn’t happen to be a blind black guy that grew up in an orphanage would he?

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u/military_dad_wi Sep 23 '22

lol, I understand that reference.

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u/HighMyNameisKayleigh Sep 23 '22

'A' guy in 'a' town. That's how rare that is 😅

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u/Rawnblade12 Sep 24 '22

Thats...Weird.

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u/Abcrooke Sep 23 '22

There was a guy in my hometown who was so racist he hated pennies for a laundry list of reasons, one of them being “they’re the same color as brown people”. This man voted for Hilary.

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u/Heroiccrayfish Sep 23 '22

In my book if you support a racist then you are one too. It’s that simple.

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u/king_falafel Sep 23 '22

This is just stupid I'm sure a lot of racist black ppl didn't vote for trump

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u/millera85 Sep 22 '22

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist… But everyone who voted for Trump decided it wasn’t a dealbreaker.

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u/Sideswipe0009 Sep 22 '22

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist… But everyone who voted for Trump decided it wasn’t a dealbreaker.

Well, when your choices are "racist" or "calls you deplorable," do you blame them?

What if you choices are:

• Corrupt but not racist

• Racist but not corrupt

Seems we have a paradox here. Or maybe your thinking is just too simplistic.

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u/millera85 Sep 23 '22

Nope. Racism is a far greater evil than corruption. Literally every single career politician is corrupt. Are you somehow implying that TRUMP isn’t corrupt? Bullshit. Of course, if you voted for him, you’re probably not clever enough to prioritize.

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u/FalconTurbo Sep 23 '22

The version I've heard is: "... But racism isn't a deal breaker for them"

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22 edited Oct 10 '22

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u/Fearsthelittledeath Sep 22 '22

The 1994 Crime Bill had the majority of Black voters support at the time along with pretty much every Black mayor and the Black congressional caucus was pushing for this bill. They just didn't see the consquences until it was too late.

Rep. Bass is right. According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.”

In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.”

As Yale law professor James Forman Jr. wrote in his much-cited 2017 book, Locking Up Our Own, “At the height of the [crack] epidemic, Black political and civic leaders often compared crack to the greatest evils that African Americans had ever suffered.” Writing twenty years earlier, another prominent African American scholar, Harvard law professor Randall

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u/mrtomjones Sep 22 '22

Plenty of black people are racist and plenty of them vote Democrat. If you think every racist votes for the right then you should probably open your eyes a bit. The same would go with any other group. Not all white men that are racist vote Republican

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u/baprizonul Sep 23 '22

Dumbest take

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u/GeekyAine Sep 22 '22

You got 1 Nazi sitting sharing a round with 11 nice folks, what do you got? A dozen Nazis.

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

this is one smooth brain take my dude. If this 1 nazi joins the PTA, is now the entire school a bunch of nazi's?

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u/CaptainPirk Sep 22 '22

If they know and have means to eject the nazi and choose not to, yes.

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u/FecalToothpaste Sep 22 '22

Found the nazi sympathizer

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

nah, I don't paint an entire group of people with a wide brush.

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u/FecalToothpaste Sep 22 '22

Which means you would gladly befriend a nazi to see if they're a good person aside from the whole wanting to exterminate minorities thing.

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 22 '22

Or 11 Nazis and an alcoholic who has no shame.

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u/Sideswipe0009 Sep 22 '22

You got 1 Nazi sitting sharing a round with 11 nice folks, what do you got? A dozen Nazis.

You got 1 progressive sitting and sharing a round with 11 conservatives, what you got? A dozen progressives.

This thought needs to go the way of the dodo.

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u/ThrowItNTheTrashPile Sep 22 '22

Yeahhhh…. I’m having a pretty hard time agreeing lol. If you’ve been listening to Trump and his supporters since 2016 and aren’t actually racist or bigoted but still would vote for him or you currently cheer as you watch the GOP kidnap legal migrants, remove human rights, go after minority groups, etc. it’s getting reallyyyy difficult to say you aren’t a racist/bigot.

I mean just hypothetically if I hang out with a bunch of criminals, say they should commit crimes, cheer as they commit crimes, help them commit the crimes and defend them after they commit crimes they’re guilty of, I’m certainly in no position to start denying that I myself might be a criminal. But then again it would take logic and an acceptance of reality to come to that conclusion. And that seems to be where the discussion stops on this.

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 22 '22

Actually, no. It's a cult. Meaning, it doesn't define you and you can be anyone from any walk of life and still support it. It fills the same pleasure centres of the brain as Religion and conspiracy theories and is a means to feel part of a collective when otherwise you felt alone and rejected. Due to the nature of the fact anyone can feel alone and be at a low ebb, you don't necessarily need to be racist to be a trumper. This rings true for many walks of life as well. There (unbelievably) are doctors out there who are anti-vaxxers. Pro-lifers who get abortions. Scientists who believe the moon landing was faked. People can believe a whole bunch of crazy shit but still have the smarts to strip an engine and put it back together with zero superfluous bolts. I mean shit, My school reverend wrote scientific papers on evolution.

The Venn diagram for Trumpism and racist tendencies is two very squeezed together circles, but not quite a single circle.

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u/baronvonbee Sep 23 '22

I work in a heavily unionized blue collar industry. I have known plenty of racists that vote for democrats for labor reasons.

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u/Ok_Shape88 Sep 23 '22

Imagine actually believing this

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u/Accomplished-Top-564 Sep 22 '22

Imagine actually thinking this lmao.

Richard Spencer (Charlottesville guy) openly endorsed Biden. 💀

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 22 '22

There's an exception to every rule.

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u/Accomplished-Top-564 Sep 22 '22

Or you’re just being convinced of a narrative that makes you believe that statement 🤔

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u/Li-renn-pwel Sep 23 '22

Not quite right, since there is racism in pretty much any political affiliation.

More like: not everyone who voted for trump is a racist. But everyone who voted for trump decided racism was not a deal breaker for them.

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u/Payed_Looser Sep 22 '22

The deeper you get into the South, the more racist democrats you meet. They are all 70+

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u/a93H3sn4tJgK Sep 23 '22

This is what I try to tell people. If Dems just assume every person that voted for Trump is a ignorant redneck racist so they can dismiss them, they’re feeding into exactly what got them fired up for Trump in the first place.

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u/Dracinon Sep 23 '22

If you vote for a fascist, you are supporting fascism. If you support fascist, you might be a fascist.

If it thinks like a fash, talks like a fash and votes like a fash... It might be a fash

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u/Visual_Store7705 Sep 23 '22

Well, not everyone who voted for Biden is a pedophile, but all pedophiles voted for Biden.

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

I know right? CRAZY.

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u/a-hippobear Sep 23 '22

Idk the first democrat to run against trump literally talked about how she’s very proud that she was “a Goldwater girl”. Look up what mlk jr had to say about Goldwater.

And then Biden said “if you don’t know whether you’re voting for me or trump then you ain’t black”.

I would guess that neither of those racists voted for trump

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

I mean, Biden wasn't wrong. There's fuck-all black Trump supporters.

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u/a-hippobear Sep 23 '22

Yeah but an old white dude who has fucked over millions of black Americans with his ‘94 “crime bill” that he bragged about writing, telling black people what makes them black is racist as hell. Also, 19% of black men that voted actually voted for trump. Nearly 1/5 isn’t nothing

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

Like I said, Jimmies rustled.

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u/a-hippobear Sep 23 '22

Me pointing out that what you’re saying is verifiably false isn’t “rustled jimmies” but you don’t seem like a “facts” kind of person anyway.

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

Naa, just let it go.

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u/therealzombieczar Sep 23 '22

i'm waiting for someone to say their racist but voted for biden...

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

Me too lol.

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u/HornPubAndGrill Sep 23 '22

Isn't jimmy considered a racist term now?

Stay woke! /s

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u/Gardfeld Sep 23 '22

And all Communists voted for Biden. It's a two party system.

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u/chet_steadman69 Sep 23 '22

This is patently false. You're saying there are no racist Democrats?

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u/Sad-Elderberry4934 Sep 23 '22

démocrates owned slaves bud

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Sep 23 '22

I know right! I can't believe those 250 year old people still vote Democrat!

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u/RepulsiveSolid6229 Oct 28 '22

Wrong

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u/IM_AN_AI_AMA Oct 28 '22

Aforementioned jimmies.

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u/BloomsdayDevice Sep 22 '22

a lot of white supremacists sure seem to think he's on their side.

This right here. Good for Red for calling them out, sure, BUT you don't see the KKK showing up at events for Democratic politicians. If your preferred political candidate says something that turns out the wizards and dragons, well, it might not be your cup of tea, but you should still rethink what it is that that politician is saying that resonates so strongly with the worst society has to offer.

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u/mountingconfusion Sep 22 '22

"Good people on both sides" he said when asked to denounce white supremisists

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

White supremacist opinions dont hold any value.

Richard spencer voted for biden do you apply guilt by vote association?

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u/BurnscarsRus Sep 22 '22

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

Yes violence aganist your political enemies is the way to go

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u/BurnscarsRus Sep 22 '22

Violence against Nazis sure worked out for my grandfather. I'd hate to let him down.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

This is true. Comphrension skills were surprisngly better back then tho

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u/BurnscarsRus Sep 22 '22

Lol, if you think my rural farmer grandfather had a better education in the 1930's than I did, well. You'd be somewhat right, because Republicans fucked up public schooling over the last 40 years.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

And yet his generation knew what actual nazi's were.

Personal experience was probably more helpful i guess

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

I think the nazi's would agree with you. Round up those you don't agree with, ship em off to camps. oof.

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u/BurnscarsRus Sep 22 '22

I don't think that Nazis would agree with me punching them at all, actually.

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

prob not, but when you use the same tactics as nazi's... oof.

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u/Some-Wasabi1312 Sep 22 '22

Ummm, richard spencer is not a political enemy.

Richard spencer is my SOUL enemy. As in, he is enemy to the sanctity of my very being. Liz Cheney is a political enemy.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

Practically speaking there isnt a difference

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u/BurnscarsRus Sep 24 '22

Lol, one of these Nazis sympathizers reported me for threatening violence.

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u/YaoiNekomata Sep 22 '22

One vote holds no value, but when the majority believe they are represented by trump well ....

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

When the kkk become a majority let me know

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u/YaoiNekomata Sep 22 '22

Learn to read, majority of KKK members believe they are represented by trump.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

Majority of socialists believe they are represented by biden

Majority of christians beleive they are represented by trump

The kkk have no credibility in what they beleive.

I assume you think they wrong about anything they say so i dont know why you think they are right when they say trump represents them

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u/YaoiNekomata Sep 22 '22

Majority of socialists believe they are represented by biden

What?? You know who shits on Biden more then trump fans, socialists. Where are you getting this misinformation from. If anything Bernie was the closest to being seen as a representative.

Majority of christians beleive they are represented by trump

Yeah, do not see what the point of this comment is?

The kkk have no credibility in what they beleive.

Who is talking about credibility, we are talking about groups of people believing that they are represented by someone. KKK and white supremacists might be crazy and hateful, but that does not affect that they believe they are represented by Trump.

I assume you think they wrong about anything they say so i dont know why you think they are right when they say trump represents them

Same answer as above,

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

.

Who is talking about credibility, we are talking about groups of people believing that they are represented by someone. KKK and white supremacists might be crazy and hateful, but that does not affect that they believe they are represented by Trump.

............how do do conincide the blatent contradiction? Their beliefs are crazy but this other belief should be taken seriously?????

Crazy people cant be trusted because what they beleive isnt based ony anything reasonble but a fractured world view that fluctuates and changes direction as often as the wind

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

but but all racists voted for Trump? how could this be?

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u/YaoiNekomata Sep 22 '22

When the majority does.......

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u/Volkrisse Sep 22 '22

did they though? got some evidence to show that? include ultra left zealots? they're pretty racist/bigoted too. but nah, that wouldn't align with your narrative my dude.

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u/chairfairy Sep 22 '22

If a large number of Nazis thought Biden was their guy, I hope I'd have the self-awareness needed to reconsider my vote.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

A large number do. National socialists or well national brocialists

Facists/extremists dont swing only in one direction.

Reality of humans is that some of us are lunatics

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u/LawTeaDough Sep 22 '22

American nationalists aren't socialists and vice versa. American Nazis and German Nazis aren't the same. In fact, Germany was inspired by American segregationists, people who wanted labor to be privatized.

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u/Cyrus_ofAstroya Sep 22 '22

Your going to have a tough time convincing reddit otherwise

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 22 '22

A lot of people in general think that. For whatever reason people just point out the racist, that do, not the Hispanic population, not the blacks, not the women, onlybthe racist. Just like one of the most prominent nazis in america (Richard Spencer) endorsing biden is never pointed out. All sorts of people support all sorts of people

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u/FlyingBishop Sep 22 '22

Biden rejected Spencer's endorsement. Trump accepts endorsements from KKK members. This isn't about who supports Biden or Trump, it's about who they accept support from. Trump accepts support from white supremacists.

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 22 '22

Moving the goal post. The comment I replied to is literally about who endorses the person. The comment I replied to said white supremacist seem to like to support trump. I stated all kinds of people support trump but people seem to like to just focuse on the white supremacists who aren't even his largest demographic. While there are also a good number of white supremacists to support biden, a d prominent ones, at that. Biden was a major supporter of segregation and a a major reason why school integration took so long to happen, he couned the term super predator, (later echoed by Hillary Clinton) as a descriptor of black people, and has always had a large racist and white supremacists following. He even eulogized a exhaulted cyclopse of the kkk as vice president, a man that was his long time friend and a mentor. But no one focuses on that just on the minorities.

Rather than address what I said on the topic of discussion You didn't acknowledge that truth and said biden denounced the endorsement. Denouncing someone has nothing to do with who approves of your actions, especially with a long political career of close affiliation with said people. By this logic trump denouncing nazies at the statue protest should stand the same in your eyes.

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u/FlyingBishop Sep 22 '22

Generic Nazis is easy, it's the fact that Trump can't even keep track of who his supporters are and who he wants in his coalition. At best Trump is incapable of understanding his own platform, at worst he is passively courting Nazis.

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 23 '22

Not disagreeing, I don't think he cares one way or the other, still not what this conversation was about. You changed the topic.

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u/FlyingBishop Sep 23 '22

No, you're trying to deflect from Trump's support of Nazis, which might be unintentional but you don't see how that is worse. If he is not a white supremacist he's incompetent, although he really seems to be both.

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 23 '22

I have not deflected from a single thing. Everything I have said has been 1. Objective and 2 factual. I strongly dislike trump and biden. Both ar shitty in their own way. What I DID do while responding in my original reply is point out the that both politituons have have a diverse group of supporters but people focus on one group over all the others. I elaborated by stating though white supremacists are a minority portion of trump's supporters that's who people focus on and ignore all the others and vice versa a example I gave is how biden was endorsed by nazis but people ignored that and focused on the minorities. Which perfectly illustrates my point that all sort of people endorse them both and just because some endorses you doesn't men you are a party to them or their beliefs.

What you then did was move away from what we were saying and said biden condemned Richard (that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about, which was all types of people support both but people only focus on a specific group, which is exactly what you did here.) I said, just that, reiterated my statment and corrected your false claim about trump not condemning white supremacist when in the exact subject of the op's post about the statues he literally condemned all bigots and racist, then went on to list of bidens direct personifies to the kkk, racist policy he inacted, racist statements, and being mentored by a high ranking klansman man. Trump may have supporters that are white supremacists but biden literally fellow ships with them, his whole life. (ironic you say I deflected when you completely ignored that) the irony of you saying "If he is not a white supremacist he's incompetent, although he really seems to be both." While ig more the blatant literal racism of biden since the civil rights movement being in direct opposition of milk but going hard on trump be cause there are racist assholes that like him. furthermore trump has never supported nazis, you need to give me a a beef a nazi and a quote of his support, to substantiate your claim.

Both are terrible candidates but biden has well documented actual racism and deep friend ships with actually clansmen spaning several decades.

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u/Ffzilla Sep 22 '22

The motherfucker that Heiled Trump from a podium in front of a packed room, he endorsed Biden? The guy who gets punched in the face when he shows up in public? Something tells me that you are full of shit.

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 23 '22

It takes literal seconds on google to verify I am 100% accurate. Yeah richard endorsed biden.

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u/chairfairy Sep 23 '22

All sorts of people support all sorts of people

That is, of course, true, but somehow Nazis never show up to Biden rallies while they've been present at multiple Trump rallies.

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u/tuchesuavae Sep 23 '22

Changes nothing. There are also lots of black m/latino males, women, and anti nazi people that tend to show up at his rallies, all of which make up a larger portion of the crowd at trump rallies that nazis, but as a I pointed out, with both politicians people focus on one group and ignore all the others.

And prominent nazis endorsed biden. He also was adversarial to mlk during the civil rights movement, coined ed the term "super predators" to refer to black people (later used by bybhillary), and was mentored and a very close friend to an exhausted cyclopse of the kkk, the same man he eulogized during his vice presidency. You don't have to show up in the crowd if you back them behind the scenes.

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u/colin6 Sep 22 '22

Plenty of videos of Old Joe out there saying blatantly racist shit through his half century plus in public offices. And did he denounce the BLM riots that caused a few billion in damage along with many deaths? He never did because those votes were important to his election hopes...all politicians are scum bags and they'll take any vote they can get no matter the crowd that supports them. They may not condone their behaviors, but they won't denounce them either if they believe those votes can put them in office.

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u/Ffzilla Sep 22 '22

And yet, he is still endorsed by prominent black Americans, the first black President thinks pretty highly of him. Ever question why?

I mean, a dude that says "blatantly racist shit" still got 92% of the black vote, why do you think that might be?

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u/colin6 Sep 22 '22

You're missing the point on what I said....

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u/Ffzilla Sep 22 '22

That answers neither of my questions.

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u/colin6 Sep 22 '22

Biden was the only person the DNC had any hope of getting elected. Obviously there is a thing called party lines. and they got behind him regardless of the train wreck he is and they succeeded. The Dems have controlled the black vote for a very long time, similar to how they controlled them before they had any rights as well. Do you think Biden is actually making many important decisions on his own behind the walls of the White House?

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u/Ffzilla Sep 22 '22

How have the Dems "controlled" the black vote? You make it sound like black folks have no agency, and that folks don't individually decide what is best for them.

As for your question, yeah, there is no evidence that the President doesn't make the decisions. Has he delegated things to subordinates, and signs off on final approval? Probably. They haven't started hiding him from the public like in Reagan's second term, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Kind of an odd aside that doesn't have anything to do with the topic, but you asked.

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u/colin6 Sep 22 '22

They haven't started hiding him from the public

He's given 23 interviews with the media. At the same point in previous Presidencies, Trump gave 95, Obama gave 187, George W Bush 60, Bill Clinton 64, George HW Bush 70 and Ronald Reagan 78. I'd call that hiding him. And he fucked up a pre recorded interview that left the White House scrambling to back track on his comments on China/Taiwan and saying the Pandemic was over. Don't argue that he's not a train wreck.

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u/matty_a Sep 23 '22

And did he denounce the BLM riots that caused a few billion in damage along with many deaths? He never did

George Floyd was murdered on May 25. On May 31, Biden said: “Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.”

On June 2, he said: "“There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses […] we need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest and opportunistic violent destruction”

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u/colin6 Sep 23 '22

Where does he specifically condemn the groups responsible though? Show me once where he pointed a finger at BLM and/or Antifa? You won't find it. As I said, politicians will take any vote they can get if it gets them into office.

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u/lilpumpgroupie Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Look, I'm not gonna say that Trump is a fascist and white nationalist. Believe me, I'm not. People on the left say it all the time, I'm not gonna do it. There are better attacks on him, that are more accurate and better fit for political arguments.

I'm just not gonna do it.

I am however gonna say that fascists and white nationalists themselves obviously think he is.

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u/crazy_monkey452 Sep 22 '22

Didn't Richard Spencer the head of the alt right support Biden because Trump wasn't the racist he thought he was?

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u/Galaxy__Star Sep 23 '22

Yeah idk that I could ever find myself voting for the same person the kkk is voting for

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u/IRLUNG Sep 27 '22

Trump condemned white supremacy multiple times

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u/jclf123 Oct 02 '22

Bitch ass mods

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u/ilikemeatyburgers 8d ago

He has denounced racist many times?