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Trumpist Curses at KKK members (context i found on original video)

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u/pissclamato Sep 22 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

That sentence is the exact moment I went from left-leaning centrist to full-on Team Blue.

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u/riotacting Sep 22 '22

I have voted for more Republicans than democrats in my life... always been an unaffiliated voter. 2018 was my first straight blue ticket, and it felt really weird. But I don't see myself voting red again unless the party excises the cancer. I won't even vote for a kingzinger, who I respect because the party needs to feel consequences.

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u/craa141 Sep 23 '22

O thats a tough one.

If Kinzinger loses it means that any GOP unaligned to Trump will think thats their fate. I think he has to win to show everyone that GOP candidates can win even with balls and a conscience.

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u/cassiclock Sep 23 '22

Kinzinger isn't running again. I'm sure he's not leaving politics though

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u/craa141 Sep 23 '22

Ah I didn't know that. It's unfortunate. He at least seems to have a backbone.

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u/cassiclock Sep 23 '22

I agree. I doubt we've heard the last of him in any case

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u/Significant_Ant3447 Sep 23 '22

You're a minority coming out of that party lol. Good on you for having morals over party unlike most!

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u/Silverpathic Sep 23 '22

So you would rather cut your nose off to spite your face? That is what you just said.

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u/riotacting Sep 23 '22

I'd cut off my nose to remove a cancer that could kill me... even if the cancer only covers 95% of my nose... the rest of it is probably coming off too.

Or we can skip the platitudes, and say that yes - while I agree with many (definitely not all) of his policy positions and appreciate he acknowledges the reality that biden won, I consider his continued association with the republican party a disqualifier.

Yes, he's trying to reform it from the inside, but I've completely given up on that idea in the past 8 months. The Republicans had a GREAT chance to move past Trump after the election... but they made a different choice.

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u/Silverpathic Sep 23 '22

I would rather vote for what's right about the person I am specifically vote for rather then not vote because someone in the same party you dislike and has nothing to do with the person you are voting for. That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

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u/riotacting Sep 23 '22

It's not "someone else" I disagree with in the party... it's everyone else in the party who demonstrate moral cowardice. They're not dumb people, but they refuse to publicly acknowledge reality out of some weird fear feedback loop between fox news, Donald Trump, religious fanatics, and the proudly ignorant.

It should not be hard to say "Joe biden is the duly elected president. Donald Trump lost the election."

If Adam wants my vote, he can run as an independent (and move to Pennsylvania).

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u/Silverpathic Sep 23 '22

You gonna be you, but don't complain about politics of you don't vote for what's right.

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u/riotacting Sep 23 '22

I vote for what I believe is right. I'm okay with you disagreeing with my assessment.

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u/RivRise Sep 23 '22

I respect your ideals and morals even though we probably are very different people.

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u/AspiringChildProdigy Sep 22 '22

Trump managed to turn me (and my husband) from "I don't really pay attention to politics, but I've been raised that Christians vote red" to "What in the holy fuck are Republicans trying to do?!" to "Oh, fuck no, you fascists. Team blue all the way down."

If the GOP wanted to retain power, they really shouldn't have jostled people like us out of our complacency.

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u/yeswecann Sep 23 '22

Let us pray this a harbinger for the largest midterms' massacre in American history.

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u/CaissaIRL Sep 23 '22

Saaaame. I have never even tried to look into politics until Trump was in the picture especially with the Pandemic at hand at the time. Cause screw that guy and what he propagates.

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u/Economy-Easy Sep 23 '22

I'd be wary of blue too. Blue can really suck and has its own serious issues. I suggest researching the individual candidates. Who knows, a red might be better than a blue sometimes. Depending on the race, some other party even, might be the better choice.

Blue really screwed over Bernie, and then Bernie's campaign really screwed over volunteers like me during his last presidential race. I did do research and it still sucked...But, I'm going to keep researching.

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u/Greenknight419 Sep 24 '22

Party matters. What party controls congress matters. When one party as a whole goes off the rails keeping it from the leavers of power becomes more important that any single representative.

So you found the one impressive, reasoned, honorable R representative in the country. Doesn't matter, their vote gives power to the crazies that are in control of the party and who set the agenda. You can go with the best candidate regardless of party when both parties are healthy and sane people are in charge. Right now that is not true for the R party.

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u/Economy-Easy Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Research--due diligence, is necessary for a democracy to work. Voting blue, for example without researching Joe Manchin (Democrat) will probably not have the effect that you want despite his wearing blue.

My point is that the individuals matter and doing your own research matters. You can't assume just because someone dresses up a certain way, they stand for certain things. They are people with thoughts and reasoning.

I recognize in myself the prejudice in my heart-- that I would have been afraid of that bright, red man. I would have crossed the street. Hearing his public freakout warms my heart and reminds me Republican's are not a block I can just prejudge. There are so many of them. We did not just happen upon one in this video. There are at least 2 brave enough to say something against the unseen KKK in this video. My firm has a client that is one too and he values my opinion. I prejudged him, and thought he would avoid me.

Who is in the party matters. Just a handful of poorly selected "democrats" can derail the party and have. Don't blindly assume blue is good. Poke at them. Make sure they can back up their claims. A handful of discerning Republican's can also derail the party.

P.S.

The Senate is 50 Rep 48 Dem and 2 independents. If we could get more Independents, then we could start focusing on what people independently stand for not what we assume their identity as a Republican or Democrat could POSSIBLY mean.

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u/Greenknight419 Sep 25 '22

If Joe Manchin was defeated by a republican Mitch McConnell would be Majority Leader.

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u/Economy-Easy Sep 25 '22

Can you elaborate? Sorry, I'm not following.

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u/Greenknight419 Sep 25 '22

It is not complicated. West Virginia is R+30 meaning republicans get about 30 points more than democrats. Joe Manchin is turning a deep red seat blue. If he is replaced it will be by a Republican. There are 50 Republican senators right now. The vice president's tie breaker is why Democrats are "in charge of the senate". If Joe Manchin's seat was held by a Republican Mitch McConnell would be in charge of the senate as Majority leader.

Learn how your government works. Joe Manchin is about as good a Democrat that could hold that seat. He is not the problem, it is light blue seats held by Republicans that are the problem.

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u/Economy-Easy Sep 23 '22

Blue can really suck, though. I would suggest researching the individual candidates. Who knows a red might be better than a blue sometimes. Depending on the race, some other party even, might be the better choice. Blue really screwed over Bernie, and then Bernie's campaign really screwed over volunteers like me during his last presidential race. I did do research and it still sucked...But, I'm going to keep researching.

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u/pissclamato Sep 23 '22

Everything can suck sometimes, but I choose the side without the white supremacy.

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u/Economy-Easy Sep 23 '22

To this bright, red guy's point in the video, they are not all white supremacists. And to the point of the other people in the thread both sides have racists in them. Some just don't say it to our faces, and in some ways, that's more insidious. You can prepare for a large, loud truck coming down the road as a cyclist, but a silent electric vehicle can sneak up on you. It's up to each driver and yourself how things go down.

Be cautious with both and don't vote blindly for any color.