r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 24 '22 Helpful 1

Tripling down on stolen valor

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u/AnnoyedHippo Sep 24 '22

I did a TDY tour in Allen, TX. Was a literal hellish place with far too many Chick-fil-A restaurants.

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u/toricoon Sep 24 '22

I was DePlOyEd to D.C… the closest Starbucks was FIVE miles!!

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u/AhhAGoose Sep 24 '22

There’s one in the 5 sided puzzle palace, how we’re you that far away? Lol

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u/Head-Ad4690 Sep 24 '22

Stop lying. There’s no place in DC more than a mile from a Starbucks.

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u/toricoon Sep 24 '22

We stayed outside DC and honestly it probably wasn’t that far but the roads that you had to take to get there were like four miles out of the way. Had we driven straight it would’ve been like a mile lol

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u/Head-Ad4690 Sep 24 '22

Ok, that’s on brand for the suburbs, I’ll allow it.

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u/Boring_Ad_3065 Sep 24 '22

I was DePlOyEd to D.C… the closest Starbucks was FIVE miles blocks!!

FTFY

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u/Ok-Albatross6794 Sep 24 '22

If a Starbucks is 5 miles away you're probably in a very remote area 😂

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u/NHRADeuce Sep 24 '22

How is that even possible?? I didn't know there were any areas outside of Antarctica that had less than 1 Starbucks per 2 sq miles.

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u/GboyFlex Sep 24 '22

At least it wasn't in McKinney TX...

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u/AnnoyedHippo Sep 24 '22

I actually grew up in Allen, so my memory of McKinney was mostly fields, small urban area, and then a hospital. But coming back nearly 20yrs later holy hell it's just a giant suburban hellscape with a city size shopping mall it and Allen apparently created as a love child lol

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u/GboyFlex Sep 24 '22

I lived in Plano for 15 years, McKinney is definitely a Stepford Wives suburban hellscape. I visited family there a few months ago and within a day I was wearing tan khakis, a polo shirt, and had a wife with 3 kids!!

Edit: I'm a gay leftist :)

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u/KnowNothingKnowsAll Sep 24 '22

It’s weird how all those cities along 380 are just cookie cutter towns on that stretch.

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u/TroglodyneSystems Sep 24 '22

Strip malls, all the way down….

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

The second is just his dental clearance to go TDY somewhere, it’s not orders.

60AMDS = 60th Aerospace Medicine Squadron

60DS = 60th Dental Squadron

Why did he blur the number of days on the one set of actual orders? Must not have been very long, it is a group order for the redacted SSGT and A1C majerkski and only obligates $3,200 for travel, lodging and per diem for two people.

The actual orders in the first pic have PERSTEMPO CODE C which is unit training.

His definition means I was TDY dEPlOyEd like 30+ times.

Why not show the DD214? It would list foreign/sea service and show campaigns.

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u/JMarv615 Sep 24 '22 Silver

Someone already posted it on Twitter

https://twitter.com/waitmanb/status/1573380978550231040?t=77uNA2seT_3CavkL53Z2TA&s=19

0 days foreign service 0 days sea service

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Yup shows he was discharged as an E-2, since promotions through E-4 are automatic by 36 months maximum, he was demoted. There are ways that this could have been shorter but here is the slowest time line without NJP:

E-1

E-2 at the 6 month mark

E-3 at the 16 month mark

E-4 at the 36 month mark

Discharged after 4 years as an E2 means he got in trouble.

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u/JuzoItami Sep 24 '22

Oh, c'mon now, there's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation. Being an E-2 was probably part of his cover so the Al Qaeda death squads wouldn't be able to track him down and kill him in retaliation for all the Super Top Secret Eyes-only Level Midnight ops he was on in Afghanistan as a member of Delta Force Team Six Omega Squad.

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u/big-tuna913 Sep 24 '22

Anytime special agent Michael Scarn is involved its threat level midnight.

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u/carbonara_bull Sep 24 '22

he got demoted because he didn't know how to do the scarn

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u/CruisinForABrewsin Sep 24 '22

Ever banged an entire bachelorette party baby??

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u/handi503 Sep 25 '22

Why are you singling that line out, like a million years later?

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u/Deadman88ish Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Most people with college get e3 at the end of basic everyone else waits 10 months to sew on. As 6 year enlistees. 4 years get e2 out of basic and barely get e4 before the end of their contract

EDIT:This is in the Air Force. IDk about the others

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u/BidRepresentative728 Sep 24 '22

I got my E-3 when basic was finished. E-4 wasn't that long of a wait. By my second year in I was E-4. I also had educational courses in Nuclear Steam Generation, Environmental Sampling, and journeyman plumber before I joined at 23.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Exactly, several ways to shorten the time line, only one way to lengthen it.

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u/rotbab Sep 24 '22

Also my service was later, but if he deployed to Afghanistan shouldn't the DD214 show the global was on terrorism expeditionary medal? JWB signed the order on March of 2003, so a DD214 from August 2003 should definitely have it listed.

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u/EOD_Dork Sep 24 '22

My first period of service ended in late July 2003 and did not have either GWOT on my DD214, and I was deployed on a CVN until just a few weeks before that. So it's definitely possible that it wouldn't be on his DD214 either.

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u/wave-garden Sep 24 '22

I disagree with none of what you just said, but here’s the thing. If there were some easily-explainable reason for the inconsistencies, then this clown would have immediately explained the situation to avoid further issues. But he didn’t do that. He’s continuing to lie and give half-answers, which shows the obvious truth that he’s full of shit.

Important to remember where this started, which was him claiming to be a “combat vet”. While there’s no standard definition of what that means, I think you’d probably agree that we don’t claim that if we weren’t in Iraq or Afghanistan doing one of a set of very specific jobs. I don’t care if he spent multiple years in Qatar, ROK, or Okinawa. None of that is combat deployment, and he’s a fucking liar.

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u/EOD_Dork Sep 24 '22

I agree with you 100%, he's clearly a liar.

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u/rotbab Sep 24 '22

Thank you for sharing that personal experience with me. I should have known that nothing in the military moves that quickly.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Prior to GWOT-E they would likely have awarded the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal.

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u/rotbab Sep 24 '22

Thank you for that! So yeah even then he still doesn't have any of that. This is just such a strange lie to try and keep up with.

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u/jen_a_licious Sep 24 '22

In high school we were told (while in JROTC) if we enlisted after hs, we would start out as E3.

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u/D-Laz Sep 25 '22

I was in the Marines and made E4 in about 4.5 years. But it was not unheard of for combat units to nonrecommend someone for permotion to E3 because a lance corporal can be a fire team leader and some people aren't ready for that type of leadership. So if they were not leadership material they would stay E2 forever.

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u/ResponsibleFennel154 Sep 24 '22

Also could be his fatbutt couldnt pass APFT which denies you promotion unless you have a profile which excludes you from it which after that I dont know how promotion works

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u/TheLurkingMenace Sep 24 '22

I think that's just the Army. E4 wasn't automatic in the Navy when I was in.

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u/Nwcray Sep 24 '22

Same here, but you also had to be a first rate fuckup to not promote.

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u/BoinkBoinkEtAliae Sep 24 '22

Some rates get auto E4, but generally you have to complete the A and/or C school first

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u/Jay985 Sep 24 '22

Air Force is automatic to E-4.

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u/wave-garden Sep 24 '22

I was 1st LT on a DDG and learned this process well. In designated seamen would only make E4 by “making rate”, which in the 2000s meant passing an exam and there being spots available in the chosen speciality. We had guys who tried and failed to pass that exam multiple times and left the Navy as an E3, despite being super hard workers and good people. Advancement up to E3 was basically automatic though, and almost everyone showed up to the boat as an E3. If you got out of the Navy as an E2, then you probably did something pretty bad.

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u/BeneficialLeave7359 Sep 24 '22

I was in the Corps in the 80’s and corporal (E4) was the first rank that you had to make a cutting score to get promoted. The score changed depending on unit needs but mainly stayed in a range. Of course there were also meritorious promotion boards but intra-unit politics get involved there.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

That’s for the Air Force and it was still automatic when I retired 3 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

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u/apatheticviews Sep 24 '22

They just put it in your RE code. Make you non-eligible that way.

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u/worksafeaccount83 Sep 24 '22

If you look at the date of request on the TDY request, it’s April 25, 2001. He was a SSGT (E5) then. His date of rank (E2) on his DD214 is September 25, 2001. He definitely got demoted.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

He was traveling with a SSGT, his information is in the block at the bottom. It’s a group order. he would not have been an E5 that early in his career.

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u/concrete_kiss Sep 24 '22

Hmmm also want to point out that this is the MEMBER-1 version of a DD-214. This is the unofficial version, which conveniently leaves off the blocks that contain ‘special additional information’ such as type of discharge, characterization (whether or not the discharge is honorable 👀) and the reason for separation.

This dude is hiding something.

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u/JMarv615 Sep 24 '22

Yes, gotta see the member-4 version.

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u/AkaminaKishinena Sep 24 '22

Is this something a FOIA request could uncover or are these documents confidential or otherwise considered protected information?

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u/concrete_kiss Sep 24 '22

No. It’d be 62 years from the creation of the DD-214 for it to become archival. Which I do understand- I know my own DD-214 has private info that I would hate to have publicized, like my social, my mailing address, my next of kin and their mailing address… That said, maybe limited information should be allowed to be FOIA’d so grifters like this can’t lie to their civilian constituents.

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u/pepinonation Sep 25 '22

I wonder how they settled on 62 years. You’ve got to assume some of those people would still be alive and wouldn’t want their SSNs available to everyone.

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u/beachbum_for_life Sep 25 '22

This is correct. His DD 214 will show the type of discharge. If he got out at an E-2 and got a General Discharge it’s a good bet he was invol discharged. AFI 36-3208 Chapter 5.

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u/billiam0202 Sep 25 '22

Question: how would one go about (legally) obtaining this? Did this Ohio dipshit really release a copy of his DD-214 that clearly indicates no foreign service as "proof" that he served overseas? Or is the Twitter poster about to be in a legal shitstorm?

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u/Nightlyinsomniac Sep 24 '22

I want to see his long form dd214.

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u/WineAndDogs2020 Sep 24 '22

Thanks for linking!

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u/cwrudy Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

No GWOT Expeditionary no time in AQ. Edit: Afghanistan not AQ

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u/Lotharofthepotatoppl Sep 24 '22

lol he didn’t even do Ahn’Qiraj? it’s only a 20-man raid

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u/Murica-n_Patriot Sep 24 '22

All of his trumpy, Q believing supporters will just get behind him anyway. “Derrrrr, the military would call it dental leave because it’s top secret, derrrrrr!!”

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u/Decent_Reading3059 Sep 24 '22

Funny story: the VA denied my partner’s claim because there is somehow no DD214 for his third deployment…so we turned in gun serial numbers (that only got deployed WITH HIM) to prove he served a third one. They seemingly kept better records of their guns than their people during the pandemic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

A DD214 for each deployment is a national guard, reserve thing. Active gets one DD214 at the end of service.

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u/Decent_Reading3059 Sep 24 '22

Huh! He was active the first two deployments and reserve on the third. My faith in the VA dwindles everyday.

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u/Mike_the_TV Sep 24 '22

It isn't the VA's fault they are underfunded and understaffed.

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u/Decent_Reading3059 Sep 24 '22

Agreed - many of the staff we speak to are fantastic. The overall system needs improvement and it doesn’t look like that’ll be happening soon.

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u/Session_Scared Sep 25 '22

Your faith should be lost with the DoD. They are the custodians of those records. VA electronicly requests them. There is no way for the VA to "lose' something. If they don't have it, it was because it wasn't given to them.

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u/therealboomguy57 Sep 24 '22

But bro, he was on some threat level midnight shit

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u/natdizz1e Sep 24 '22

I like how his tdy is dated 5 months before September 11th happened. What war was he actually in then

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u/LimpFrenchfry Sep 24 '22

Duh, he helped setup the inside job that is known as 9/11.

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u/Mastasmoker Sep 24 '22

Came here to say this.

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u/FreudoBaggage Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Lie

Get caught lying

Double down on the lie

Get caught lying

Whine about persecution

        ——- Republican Playbook

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u/Notmollyringwold Sep 24 '22

And...

Deflect blame onto someone else

Give childish nickname to that person

Blame Joe Biden

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u/kryppla Sep 24 '22

Say ‘woke’ a lot

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u/GarvinSteve Sep 24 '22

He is trying to follow his mentor’s playbook, but it’s a tough act to follow

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u/Ok-Albatross6794 Sep 24 '22

You forgot:

Blame the libs

Be recruited by Russia

Accept donations from Russian backed banks

Divide the nation

Become president

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u/evolution9673 Sep 24 '22

Throw a zillion ridiculous and contradictory theories out there until people just say “Who’s to say what really happened? The world will never know.” Examples: J6, Mar-a-Lago, Russia collusion, 2020 election fraud claims…

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u/chainmailler2001 Sep 24 '22

Only thing missing is the sexual assault allegations.

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u/Rvrsurfer Sep 24 '22

“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember nothing.” Mark Twain

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u/ndngroomer Sep 24 '22

And his supporters will buy it hook, line and sinker.

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u/jkman61494 Sep 24 '22

Last one is say LETS GO BRANDON and say the word grooming

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u/tiredmommy13 Sep 24 '22

Do I remember a time where you’d get your ass beat for lying about service? Or am I making that up?

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u/Adorable-Carpenter95 Sep 24 '22

You forgot the projection

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u/PIMPANTELL Sep 24 '22

Lmao Korea is a vacation not a deployment. DAE remember coming back with like 50 NBA jerseys?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

And liver damage.

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u/BoxingHare Sep 24 '22

Bringing back some good fuzzy memories.

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u/InspectorPipes Sep 24 '22

My dad always brought back sneakers …this is when Reeboks with the straps was the shit. I’m feeling old now

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u/The_Ghola_Hayt Sep 24 '22

Reeboks with the straps

with the straps!

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u/tall__guy Sep 25 '22

SHE TURNED AROUND AND GAVE THAT BIG BOOTY A SMACK

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u/Re-AnImAt0r Sep 24 '22

this is when Reeboks with the straps was the shit

still are....

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u/InspectorPipes Sep 24 '22

I know the original red and black J’s I had in 5th grade are still desirable. My shoe game peaked in the 80’s. I think they were $8 or $10 …something crazy cheap if your Dad got them there on TDY.

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u/JangoFettsEvilTwin Sep 24 '22

All of the old Jordan’s are worth a bunch of money now. I’d have a fortune in shoes if I didn’t wear them like an idiot.

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u/brian11e3 Sep 24 '22

The army is pretty good at embellishing on things.

My brother had a dummy Grenade go off near his head while deployed to Gary Owen's in SKorea in the early 00's.

It was written up as a combat injury during wartime.

One of my friends was deployed to Afghanistan. A mortar round hit their base, landing on the latrine. My friend got a splinter from it.

They gave him a purple heart for a combat injury during wartime.

🤷

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u/p1nup Sep 24 '22

and those thick ass mink blankets. mine has a peacock on it

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u/queerhistorynerd Sep 24 '22

my dad brought me back a giant blue one with a baseball and this weird cartredge for the gameboy that had like 60 games on it in Japanese like pokemon and echo

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u/sik_dik Sep 24 '22

That’s not always true. Anything having to do with 2nd ID is hardship. But Hialeah in Busan is basically a vacation spot.

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u/PIMPANTELL Sep 24 '22

Ehh I kinda agree I guess lol, some of those spots around the DMZ suck balls. But I'd take anywhere in old school Korea compared to the poor bastards getting sent to random African countries now a days.

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u/sik_dik Sep 24 '22

all of those spots around the DMZ suck balls. I've been to most of them

it's not an easy tour. sure, you don't actually have to fight. but you spend all your time there practicing to fight to the point that leaving base is only by permit. it's weeks in the field in shitty conditions. it's having very little control over the quality of your personal life.

I'd definitely still rather be there than in an actual combat zone. but there's a reason that, by and large, the combat folks don't want to stay in Korea any more than they're ordered to.

I, on the other hand, extended for a 2nd year, but that's because I was in the cushy American Forces Capitol: Yongsan, right in the middle of Seoul, one of the only places in peninsula to not have a curfew for service members to be back on base

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u/The_Ghola_Hayt Sep 24 '22

My buddy brought back some hella good soju after his deployment there.

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u/BiffNasty1234 Sep 24 '22

The GOP already pulled funding from him. It’s so obvious they can even see it.

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u/HermitKane Sep 24 '22

He had a temporary assignment.

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u/MonkeyDeltaFoxtrot Sep 24 '22

I was deployed all over the world thousands of time in MW2 back in 2009-2011. Does that count?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

You saw more combat than this ass-cactus.

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u/Ajg1384 Sep 24 '22

Thank you for your service.

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u/Furthur Sep 25 '22

shhhh no russian

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u/uglymule Sep 24 '22 Take My Energy

Modeling the career of cadet bone spurs.

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u/DingoAteUrBaby1 Sep 24 '22

He sounds like one of those Airmen that needed "blast wall rehabilitation." Likely a DBA. Couldn't even make it to E-4 mafia.

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u/7Moisturefarmer Sep 24 '22

I looked up DBA because I couldn’t guess the acronym. Was not disappointed.

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u/DingoAteUrBaby1 Sep 24 '22

Never want to be a dirtbag Airman.

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u/Dayseed Sep 24 '22

He also could have just said he served, even if he was in logistics. The Russian Army invaded the Ukraine without any logistics and they've had to run and abandon their shit. He didn't need to pretend to be a secret Navy SEAL, his service was honorable and necessary.

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u/jta839 Sep 24 '22

I never understood the stolen valor among folks that actually served. Eisenhower started in logistics.

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u/GrayBox1313 Sep 24 '22

Stolen valor is the Maga way. All those second amendment hobbyist Maga dudes who’ve never served dressing and acting like special forces operators.

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u/The-Berg-is-the-Word Sep 24 '22

And getting military tattoos

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u/GrayBox1313 Sep 24 '22

“We the people” forearm sleeves…

and all Those grunt gear, 2a and under armor flag nationalism wardrobes.

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u/AfternoonPast3324 Sep 24 '22

I was “deployed” to the NTC at Ft Irwin, CA three different times. It was hell. Well except for the MWR day trip to Vegas on that second one.

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u/Consistent_Guitar681 Sep 24 '22

Oh the memories... I hated NTC with a burning passion. Nothing like wearing jungle green in the desert.

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u/AfternoonPast3324 Sep 24 '22

I honestly can’t say I minded it. I was a Commo puke & my team was attached to the Star Wars building every time we went. Set up across from the PX and stayed in old barracks near the community/Rec center.

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u/Galaxy-Hitchhiker Sep 24 '22

What is TDY? And how can you tell he was demoted?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

TDY is temporary duty (training, conferences, typically used to refer to other short trips to non-war zones)

The first picture is a set of orders from April 01 to go on a short TDY to Korea pre-9/11. It lists him as an A1C, Airman First Class (E3). The second picture is a medical clearance letter to go somewhere else, it lists him the as an Amn, Airman, (E2). If he is claiming that is related to anything post 9/11 then he would have been demoted based on linear time.

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u/Linguist-of-cunning Sep 24 '22

Also his DD214 lists his rank as E2. Based purely on available paperwork he must have been demoted.

That said they could have screwed up paperwork and listed his rank wrong so he never was an E3 (it's not uncommon because your rank does not matter until you hit NCO). However, taking 2 years to hit E2 and never going higher frankly has worse implications about his character.

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u/Finalfantasylove85 Sep 24 '22

What is it, 6mo to E-2 and 9mo after for E-3?

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u/Brandoms Sep 24 '22

No no you don’t get it, he reached the highest rank and then prestiged so it had to restart.

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u/tcjewell Sep 24 '22

To be fair, I did three trips to Syria and a trip to Somalia on a TDY order (all CZTE locations). It's how the majority of SOF deploys.

That being said, this guy is clearly full of shit.

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u/Ok-Letterhead-3276 Sep 25 '22

I’m on a TDY (temporary duty assignment) right now. I’m literally staying in a hotel room, have a rental car, and I get a per diem for food. It’s truly a rough gig. A TDY can be all sorts of things, but basically you get sent somewhere to perform a specific task, do training, go to a conference, or something similar. Usually for a few days or weeks.

If you go military, go Air Force. See the world in comfort. (Most of the time)

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u/countessocean Sep 24 '22

Source: Found on Google TDY=Temporary Duty Assignment. AMN=airman SSGT=Staff Sergent 60 AMDS=60th Aerospace Medicine Squadron 60 MSS= 60th Maintenance Squadron

On the doc on the left, dated 25 April 2001, he has a rank of SSGT which is Staff Sergent for the Airforce.

The document on the right is a lettre for him to get medical treatment, although the date on that document is not showing. He has a rank of AMN which is means Airman which is just one rank above the lowest possible rank available in the Airforce

Since this ‘candidate’ is trying to imply that he was on a ‘classified’ mission sometime in April of 2001 by producing these 2 documents; that the document on the left is the only document showing a date, it leaves one to assume they got some sort of change in rank. Whether it was a promotion or demotion one cannot be completely certain from these documents. Though, it does clearly show a vast difference in rank.

The document on the right seems to be a lettre to receive medical care, so not exactly a deployment (?).

What it does provide is a reasonable doubt that this ‘candidate’ is being forthcoming with his ‘evidence’.

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u/Conscious_Stick8344 Sep 24 '22

He wasn’t ever a SSGT. That was only the billeting rank requested by the gaining unit, meaning someone filling it could be one rank up or down. Apparently, he was down two ranks, as he was only an A1C at that point if I read it right. (Maybe he was expected to be a SrA by the time he got there.) Either way, the only thing going on around Korea at the time was the EP-3E incident and the crew’s emergency landing on Hainan Island, China. I know; I was in Korea when it happened, and was still there when this POS was, too.

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u/countessocean Sep 24 '22

Thanks for clarifying.

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u/chainmailler2001 Sep 24 '22

It was also noted he was travelling with someone else and the SSGT rank was likely theirs. Their info is on the papers but is blurred out.

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u/Silvinis Sep 24 '22

His DD214 lists him as E2. Dude definitely got demoted at some point

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u/clitscommander Sep 24 '22

Close but the letter on the right is medical clearance for Tdy/deployment. The military doesn’t want to send broken people to other locations so we have to get a full physical. That letter is stating he’s medically cleared

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u/crewchiefguy Sep 24 '22

Also the Top Secret block is just his security clearance. Literally doesn’t mean shit

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u/crazypants9 Sep 24 '22

He’s ashamed he worked where he worked doing what he was doing. He shit on every other service person who does those jobs. Double down on the lies and stealing valor is in with Republicans. Asshat.

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u/DonRicardo1958 Sep 24 '22

Remember, this dope is the Republican candidate for Congress because he painted a giant Trump sign on his lawn. That’s it. That’s his qualifications.

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u/Redrump1221 Sep 24 '22

In this political climate you just need to be drinking the kool-aid to get endorsed/elected.

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u/FunnyAssJoke Sep 24 '22

As I've always said and believed whole heartedly, and coming from someone in the service - being in the military doesn't mean you arent/can't be a piece of shit. I've met plenty.

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u/Osprey_NE Sep 24 '22

I met way more lazy people in the military than any shitty job I had

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u/regreddit Sep 24 '22

Some of the worst people I've ever met in my life were navy shipmates. Hell my own chief stole a flashlight from me. East Coast carrier Navy in the 80s and 90s was just a shithole. Every few years I get an invite for a reunion and I nope right the fuck out. I hated every minute of my time in the Navy. Made me a better person, but it was fucking shitty.

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u/Session_Scared Sep 25 '22

As a veteran myself, I can comfortably say that there are a TON of entitled shitbags and blue falcons. Lots of stolen valor too.

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u/stryst Sep 24 '22

My best friend in the Air Force misused a government credit card on a MERC (medical equipment repair corpse) mission, and all he got was a fine, reduction in time of rank to day one, and a couple of weekends meat-gazing.

What the fuck did this dude do that was bad enough to loose half his rank at that low of a responsibility level.

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u/biggestlime6381 Sep 24 '22

Maybe smoked weed or something

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u/notANexpert1308 Sep 24 '22

Not only is Camp Hialeah a park, it’s a very nice park. Got 4 1/2 starts on google.

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u/Boba_Fet042 Sep 24 '22

Yeah, starting in 2014. Before 2006, It was in fact an American military base called Camp Hialeah.

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u/peachcrescent Sep 24 '22

Only combat he saw in Korea was probably his liver trying to fight off alc poisoning and women fleeing the general area when he showed up.

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u/Competitive-Weird855 Sep 24 '22

I suffered through a Jimmy Buffet USO tour in Dubai which makes me as combat experienced as this clown.

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u/DensHag Sep 24 '22

Ted Lieu is freakin' savage. Love him!!

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u/Hobbithiztorybuffbro Sep 24 '22

What an utter dipshit. What did he think, no actual veterans would see this and not tear him to fucking shreds? Black ops E-2 baggage handler, fucking shitbag.

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u/dcblunted Sep 24 '22

Placing my bet on sexual misconduct for the demotion

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u/Apprehensive_Wolf217 Sep 24 '22

I don’t understand why people lie about their service. He had a good shot at winning, and even though it wasn’t combat deployments who cares? Air Force is an accomplishment to be proud of. Just say “Yup, I loaded airplanes, and I was good at it. Maybe not that exciting, but I’m proud of the time I spent serving my country.”

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u/Ok-Letterhead-3276 Sep 25 '22

You just have to watch one video of a cargo plane crashing on take off because the load shifted to understand why “guy who loads the plane” is actually an extremely important job.

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u/VOID-TheGundamFan Sep 24 '22

If his deployment was top secret, then WHY THE FUCK CAN HE SAY WHERE HE WENT??? ITS TOP SECRET RIGHT? Then NOBODY should be able to know??!?!

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u/chris_ut Sep 24 '22

Trump declassified it with his thoughts

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u/sik_dik Sep 24 '22

I’ve been to Hialeah several times. It’s in Busan, and it’s basically an outpost that feels like a vacation community

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u/bonfuto Sep 24 '22

I don't understand what the claim is involving Korea anyway. It hasn't been dangerous there since well before this guy was born.

I was in the Air Force and was deployed to a war zone during an actual conflict. They generally put airplanes where it's safe. My biggest worry was being run over when I was walking, because all the headlights on the vehicles were blacked out. OTOH, bobtails are geared really low and they are deafening at speed, so there was plenty of warning.

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u/sik_dik Sep 24 '22

Korea is still technically at war, and the closer you get to the DMZ, with the exception of Yongsan in Seoul, the more serious the vibe of the bases/stations.

Ask anyone stationed North of Seoul if it’s a chill tour, and they’ll tell you all about how they can’t even leave the post without written permission

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u/unoriginalpackaging Sep 24 '22

At least he showed paperwork that stated he was vaccinated

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u/Semantic_Satiator Sep 24 '22

Like Republicans will care. Those that served might care, but this man was blessed by Daddy T himself and has now been anointed.

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u/Jtbny Sep 24 '22

They will care and still likely vote for him. No shame.

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u/rwk2007 Sep 24 '22

Lying and doubling down on the lie get you votes in the R world. It gets out voters to “own the libs”. He’s winning. That’s how stupid the US has become.

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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 24 '22

So many 'Muricans get wet when thinking about the military. I helped get rid of conscription in my country, if nothing, just so folks don't waste their time in this military BS. You can pushups & pullups at home 😉

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u/mrgraff Sep 24 '22

This shit infuriates me. I used to take my dad (Vietnam vet) to Golden Corral for “military appreciation day” to get the free meal for veterans. I would always get some praise from the employees for declining the free meal and paying full price. I was often told I could easily pretend to be a vet that day. I never even took advantage of the military ID card I was entitled to as his dependent.

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u/MilliandMoo Sep 24 '22

My gunny grandpa (WWII, Korea, Vietnam) never mentioned he was a vet for discounts when we were out places. My grandma would be the one to pull out her ID and point that it was for him. I had to beg him to come for our Veterans Day ceremony at school the year I was part of the planning committee. Which, he was highest ranking and meant he would be the “grand marshal” and that took even more sad granddaughter eyes to convince him of that!

You could only tell he was a Marine by his haircut. And occasionally he’d use his “drill voice” when we were in trouble or at the VFW Easter egg hunts lol. After 35 years in, there was no changing that!

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u/Leto2AndTheCrew Sep 24 '22

In my experience - veterans who saw war tend to not want to talk about it or bring it up. “Tough guy” people cannot stop bringing up how difficult basic was.

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u/BeneficialLeave7359 Sep 24 '22

In a unit I was in the First Sgt. and the Gunny were both Vietnam vets. The First Sgt. was in country doing patrols, the Gunny was on sea duty on a cruiser off the coast. Gunny would tell all kinds of tales, First Sgt. Never said shit.

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u/OhioMegi Sep 24 '22

I grew up a military brat. TDY and going to fucking war are 2 very different things. We got presents and didn’t worry about our dad being in a combat zone. It was usually a fairly short trip. Deployment was long, no presents, and chance of death.

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u/alucardian_official Sep 24 '22

Still active here, we spell endorsement the correct way in the USAF. No exceptions.

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u/twitch0116 Sep 24 '22

Korea isn’t a deployment, it’s an assignment, asshat. I was there 2x. Sure don’t make me a combat vet.

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u/CaptainPRESIDENTduck Sep 24 '22

He got demoted for borrowing valor. He only went pro to stealing valor recently.

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u/ilovecatsandcafe Sep 24 '22

This dude could have simply said something like “I signed up for the military” but no he has to do the Trump thing and lie his ass off

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u/mad_titanz Sep 24 '22

C'mon, even the Republican veterans can tell he is lying, right? Or are they so delusional they can't tell the difference?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

supposdly the gop already abandoned him.

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u/Keesha2012 Sep 24 '22

He misspelled Hileah as 'Hialeah', which is a horse racing track in Florida. Unless that was a Freudian slip.

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u/beyondcleon Sep 24 '22

So his “proof” is this dental clearance letter to possibly deploy somewhere after apparently being demoted? Trump really did haul his base into deep delusion where no facts are ever required. Just gotta hate the “woke libs” and you’re in! 😂

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u/evolution9673 Sep 24 '22

I had a dude that had “Highest rank achieved, E-5” on his resume. I asked him in the interview “What was your rank when you left the Marines?” “Uh, E-3.” Busted in a hazing incident.

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u/SheWhoLovesToDraw Sep 24 '22

Interesting how he thinks no one's going to actually READ and understand what these papers mean, rather than go: "Oh, he uploaded pictures, I guess that means he's telling the truth!"

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u/Arubesh2048 Sep 24 '22

He pretty much completely falsified at least the left form. At the bottom of the left form, it says “DD FORM 1610, JUN 67” which means this is the June 1967 version of the form. But right next to it, in the center, it says “Replaces AF FORM 626, JUN 76”, which means this 1967 form replaces a 1976 form. And of course, why would somebody serving in the early 2000’s have forms dated to the 60’s or 70’s. So either he was involved in time travel operations, or he is lying and created these forms to cover up his lie. And I seriously doubt he was time traveling.

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u/saltyvet10 Sep 24 '22

I was in Korea when Trump made his rocket man speech at the UN and the ROK government panicked thinking the North was going to say "fu k it" and just bomb Seoul. Actually preparing for possible nuclear war didn't make it a combat zone, fuckwit. It wasn't a combat zone when you were there, either.

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u/100percentish Sep 24 '22

If going TDY makes you a f'ing hero than I'm Iron Man.

I never claim to have been "deployed" to Afghanistan or Iraq...to the point that I actually decided not to post on this specific jackass. The reason is that both countries and many others were within our AOR and I was TDY all through that region for years leading up to and after 9/11. Shit didn't change much for us...it was part of our mission. I was down there back when they had pieces of plywood over by what they were calling a runway. That plywood was there for us to shit on. No f'ing shower tents, no f'ing heat, no warm meals. I remember when they got the pee tubes installed.

Guess what....those trips were all TDY's.....doesn't count as a f'ing deployment and if he really is that f'ing stupid that would explain why he's running as a GOP candidate.

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u/Guavab Sep 24 '22

Question: if he were in a top secret mission (he wasn’t), what difference would it make??? Like, do people somehow think that alone makes him a better candidate to deal with issues other than policing and military spending, and not ones such as abortion, healthcare, etc? Like: “Afghanistan taught me women should be baby making machines”, or “healthcare is a privilege…I should know because I was in a secret mission in Afghanistan and they don’t need it”. It’s purely a macho bullshit thing, right?

What value does it truly add to a candidate? I mean, he did serve in the military, which many find admirable. Why not just leave it at that?

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u/Agreeable-Meat1 Sep 24 '22

As a conservative populist voter, this endorsement is emblematic of my biggest issue with Trump. He's fucking terrible at finding the right people. You can go all the way back to when he was first elected and filled his cabinet with trash. Jeff Sessions alone was enough to prove that point.

Trump ran as a relatively moderate candidate with populist positions. Even Vox called him a moderate. But that's not what we got for the first 2 years. He staffed the WH with neocon warhawks that subverted his will. Like when he wanted to pull troops out of Syria and they lied to him about the number of troops deployed.

At the end of the day, I can't trust him to surround himself with the right people. He'll promise marijuana will be a states issue then have Jeff Sessions talk about targeting banks that deal with marijuana businesses. You have a general antiwar "walk quietly but carry a big stick" rhetoric during the campaign, then he'll bring in "Mad Dog" Mattis and Rex Tillerson because they have cool names.

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u/QuietEven198 Sep 24 '22

I'd like to point out that zero republicans hold populist positions now.

Legal abortion has 80% of voters in favor.

Legal marijuana is similar.

Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are enormously popular with voters.

Hell GOP voted against giving formula to babies.

Populism is not their thing.

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u/toooldforacnh Sep 24 '22

Anyone wanna guess why he got demoted?

Wrong answers only.

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u/CrunchM Sep 24 '22

He witnessed sexual harassment and reported it

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u/Fold_Happy Sep 24 '22

I don’t understand how anyone who served, in any capacity, can continue to support someone who lies about their service.

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u/Session_Scared Sep 25 '22

I dont see how any Veterans can support ANY of them.

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u/ChristineBorus Sep 24 '22

Haha. He’s such a turd

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u/kcaazar Sep 24 '22

JR doesn’t even remember his location was in the US? Who votes for this clown?

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u/AsherDasher5000 Sep 24 '22

As a civilian with no interest in enlisting and no family or friends in the military, can someone explain what these documents are?

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u/segascream Sep 24 '22

Also only a civilian who has done no research at all into this, but I presume from the "request and authorization" form that a TDY is basically the individual going to the military and saying "I would like to go here, for this reason", and they decide if you go or not, while a true deployment is the military just flat-out saying "YOU WILL GO HERE", and typically to a war zone.

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u/Ok-Letterhead-3276 Sep 25 '22

One on the left is orders for a TDY (Temporary Duty Assignment) which could be all sorts of things. Considering he was going from Japan to Korea, before 9/11, the only danger he was in was getting too drunk at the bar. The fact that he has “Top Secret” clearance on there means nothing about the TDY itself.

The one on the right is saying he was cleared by Dental to go somewhere. It says location classified but again that’s not all that exciting.

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u/nyralotep123 Sep 24 '22

Camp Hialeah in South Korea was just MPs and transportation people, at least in the early 90s when I was there.

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u/True-Specialist-726 Sep 24 '22

Gawd I love my rep Ted Lieu.🤣

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u/Kloewent Sep 24 '22

Seems like he would never admit to doing classified work if he actually did it.

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u/ActualPopularMonster Sep 24 '22

I don't care if he was military or not, being military doesn't magically exempt you from being an asshole. Just look at Doug Mastriano, running for Governorn of PA. He's a terrible person, but he's also a veteran.

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u/ActualPopularMonster Sep 24 '22

Thanks for backing up my claim! Good bot.

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u/Midnight_Cookies Sep 24 '22

I agree with the others that serving doesn’t make you noble, brave, or signify you’ll be a good elected official. The military is a microcosm of America. Some people are amazing. Others are not. Others are just…people.

Second, he may have gotten out at E2 and that may mean he was busted in rank, he was medical boarded and discharged before reaching E4, or got out for an other than honorable reason.

Third, it does look like he was busted from E3 to E2. At a young age this doesn’t mean he’s a dirt bag. Some people just aren’t made to be in the military and some young people grow out of their immaturity later in life. However, it could be he is a dirt bag and deserved to get busted in rank and refused an opportunity to re-enlist (yes, a commander can block you in certain circumstances).

Fourth, the difference between a TDY and a deployment has to do with whom you work for. If TDY, you are somewhere other than home station working for home station. If you are deployed, the authority to command you is transferred to a combatant commander (CCDR) to conduct missions for that CCDR. Neither makes you a good Airman (etc.) or signifies you’ll be a good civilian elected official. They are just your job history.

What was his JOB? How well did he do it? Was he exemplary? Did his experiences prepare him for the office he is running for? If you can’t answer these things based on his claims or other corroborating facts, then this is all bluff.

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u/chuckdeezy313 Sep 24 '22

I think that might be a criminal act.

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u/Bud60_in_ID Sep 25 '22

It must be a Republican Candidate embellishing His "WAR" record, so He may take advantage of the tRUMP Gambit of Dazzling the Common folk, who don't know All the Military jargon for "WAR" service!🤔

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u/AnnArborDad Sep 25 '22

E-2 with participation ribbons.

This guy was a total shitbag. He went on to be an even bigger shitbag.

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u/jollytoes Sep 25 '22

Reminds me of how as growing up I knew my dad was in Vietnam war and I assumed he’d seen some shit because he never talked about it. After I was grown I found out he was stationed in Germany as an office clerk during the whole thing.