r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 24 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1

When your friends and neighbours start believing in Qanon

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u/Jazzlike-Ad-3424 Sep 24 '22

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u/Schneetmacher Sep 24 '22

That is one depressing sub.

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u/Jazzlike-Ad-3424 Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

extremely. this is one of many examples of why years and years ago I would say something as blunt as "being a Trump supporter and being a good person are completely mutually exclusive"

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u/agrandthing Sep 24 '22

You would not say it now? Oh, I get it - you've been saying it for years and years.

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u/Jazzlike-Ad-3424 Sep 24 '22

yeah, I started talking about Republicans being fascists about 10 years ago and most people thought I was extreme in my views. Same thing with Trump. It's taken this long for even some people to make the connection between Trump, QAnon, fake news, disinformation, and the destruction it causes. these people lives have been destroyed and people have voted for conservative politician who reveled and thrived in creating this toxic environment. There's no excuse for it. If you can't see how all the stuff is connected together, there's something deeply wrong with you in my opinion.

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u/vivekisprogressive Sep 25 '22

Republicans being fascists about 10 years ag

Same here. My whole family thought I was insane. Only stayed in contact with my dad because he was the only one that didn't treat me like I was crazy. He finally confided in me in that he's concerned the Republicans are up to something and that I was right. It really sucks to be right.

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u/CerealBranch739 Sep 25 '22

What is QAnon? Haven’t heard of it until recently with a theme song being played?

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u/krebstar4ever Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

It's a recruiting tool for the far right, and the latest version of the blood libel. It's a conspiracy theory about Jews and celebrities eating babies and sexually trafficking children. They think Trump is working to stop the "baby eaters," and he needs the public to help him. Also, Trump will eventually arrest all the Jews and celebrities, and publicly execute them.

If you've ever played an ARG, it's a lot like that — except they think it's real, and it's spawned a political movement. Here's an explanation.

Ironically, QAnon started on 4chan, a site that was created as a place to talk about pedophile anime and manga. 4chan has also hosted child porn (real photos, not anime) "as a joke."

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u/Local64bithero Sep 25 '22

Didn't it get too crazy for even 4chan and the admin banned Qanon discussion so it migrated to 8chan and the owners of 8chan hijacked it?

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u/Rustmutt Sep 25 '22

I lost my parents to the trump cult, now my dad actively hates me because I represent what they told him to be mad at, but I haven’t changed at all. He just got angrier and angrier. I’m so sad.

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u/MMGeoff Sep 25 '22

Mine are gone to it, too. We're Canadian.

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u/Rustmutt Sep 25 '22

Other countries falling into this astounds me, it’s so upsetting, I’m sorry

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u/Jazzlike-Ad-3424 Sep 25 '22

sigh. i'm so sorry.

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u/Rustmutt Sep 25 '22

Thank you. I’ve coped by treating it like a parent that has dementia or something. The parents I knew are gone and aren’t coming back.

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u/TNCovidiot Sep 25 '22

Never knew it existed, but took a quick peak and you are right. It is depressing on many levels.

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u/PROblematic_Squid587 Sep 24 '22

We need to stop the Republicans before they can take this any further. I don't care anymore, we have to do whatever it takes to prevent the rise of fascism

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u/shahooster Sep 24 '22 Gold

They’re trying to normalize the dehumanization of minorities and immigrants, pretending to be victimized by these minorities and immigrants, decrying mainstream media as “fake news,” undermining science and intellectual thought, embracing outright lies, attempting to steal elections, and intertwining religion with politics.

They are fairly deep into the fascist roadmap.

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u/supraliminal13 Sep 25 '22

You missed calling people satanic pedophiles too. While it sounds like lunacy in 2016 before it took off, it's actually deliberately chosen as the ultimate dehumanizing term. Absolutely nobody is pro- pedophile. And "the storm" is literally a fascist takeover fever dream.

It was fascism rebranded from the very beginning. Qultists aren't just deep into the fascist playbook, they are the fascist playbook.

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u/TheFirstEdition Sep 24 '22

A new dark age is coming.

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u/e11spark Sep 25 '22

It is already here. Been here since the Tea Party. God, I long for just the Tea Party days...

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u/threadsoffate2021 Sep 25 '22

Been here since Reagan. Except in the 80s, they were articulate.

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u/samattos Sep 25 '22

yes it is

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u/Suspicious-Dark-5950 Sep 24 '22

I'm stealing this, you worded it perfectly.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Sep 24 '22

They’re using similar techniques to dehumanize women, LGBT+, disabled, and even children.

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u/threadsoffate2021 Sep 25 '22

And the poor and blue collar working classes.

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u/461BOOM Sep 25 '22

A repeat of history how many times? No wonder they don’t want real history taught in school.

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u/GETitOFFmeNOW Sep 25 '22

The anti-woke energy = pro racism and anti-LGBT.

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u/DankNastyAssMaster Sep 24 '22

One thing we can do right now is continue to arm Ukraine with anything it needs in its war against the single biggest sponsor of far right fascist movements all around the world right now, including right here in the US.

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u/ElCoyoteBlanco Sep 24 '22

If Russia ceased to exist, QAnon would die and wither on the vine.

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u/Tazling Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

I am not a big conspiracy fan -- never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple stupidity -- but here I have to say, I think you may have something there. there is a bit of evidence that Mr P has been engaging in postmodern info-warfare and the Q cult does read like that kind of project. otoh, Q type craziness has always been with us, and it does spring up on its own, repeatedly, wearing new clothes each time but always recognisable as the same ol' scam. so is Q completely the project of a bad actor with a plan, or is it wholly spontaneous bog-standard 'madness of crowds' -- or a spontaneous nuttiness being turbocharged with dark money and bot farms... ?

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u/PMMEYOURCOOLDRAWINGS Sep 25 '22

Every single q talking point and directive benefits Russia. Every single one. Their main talking point is hunter Biden’s connections to Zelenski, (which are none). It’s so fucking obvious it’s insane.

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u/threadsoffate2021 Sep 25 '22

Russia has been funding the NRA for at least 20 years now. They've been using social media as a propaganda tool for almost as long They've been playing the long game.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

so would the nra, and trump would too.

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u/uglymule Sep 24 '22

fox (murdoch), and that clown in mar a lago would keep the beast breating, with the generous help of the gop

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u/oman54 Sep 25 '22

I hope but honestly I'm not so sure

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u/Squibbles01 Sep 24 '22

The Left needs to arm themselves.

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u/NakedLeftie-420 Sep 24 '22

And connect IRL.

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u/uglymule Sep 24 '22

it's an under appreciated fact that these alt righties meet at least once a week, every week at tax exempt facilities

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u/samattos Sep 25 '22

this is the shit they're talking about there, too. Make no mistake.

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u/nonexistingNyaff Sep 24 '22

Unironically bring back the Confederacy and put them all there. Then reform the 'US'. For real this time. Not some weak-willed whiny bullshit, like actually enforce change that everyone deserves and has wanted to see.

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u/CerealBranch739 Sep 25 '22

That won’t ever happen, besides preserving the union as a goal of the federal government and never allowing states to secede, especially in th south, out of spite (literally has to be voted on if they can secede), the south provides like 70% of all members in the military. There’s no way the government would give that up, either side.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 24 '22

Huh? Bro this is just some crazy person you're out here speaking generally and sensationally calling for some kind of stop to a whole group of people? Get a grip this is just as zealous as any other far right radical speech and this isn't what Republicans think that's such a vocal minority of people... seriously go have some normal conversation outside. Go touch grass.

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u/forgotmypassword-_- Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 24 '22

That's still most Republicans that dont align with that. Not that I think that's a great number. I'm certain there is a good chunk of the left that believe in militant Marxism just as well. While I don't think Qanon should be anyone's source of information I'm much more concerned with violent groups.

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u/Outrageous_Setting41 Sep 25 '22

If you’re concerned about violence, the second link should concern you.

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u/thaterton Sep 24 '22

Just because you are blind to the insidiousness of the GOP doesn't mean others are not. I've talked to these people, I'm surrounded by them. They are dangerously stupid and aggressive. Stop telling people to calm down because you don't want to pay attention.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 24 '22

Your experience is anecdotal but you speak as though it's the absolute rule. You're blind to your own radical, zealous speech. My own interactions have shown that both sides are just as capable of madness as the other and the opposite is true as well. You're not showing the level headed side of the left. Sorry not sorry. I don't have to be scathing and frantic to get my points across.

This is what happens when you live in an echo chamber. You think this is the world but I'm telling you the fact that I've experienced just the opposite(and some of the same) should testify to the fact that it may just be your area. And a few thousand seems like a lot but it's really not.

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u/17times2 Sep 24 '22

My own interactions have shown that both sides are just as capable of madness as the other and the opposite is true as well.

That's the difference. We don't need anecdotes. Look how Republicans vote. Overwhelmingly opposed to healthcare, child care, veteran care, tax credits, anything beneficial to society.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

A sweeping statement is a sweeping statement. And you all probably draw the conclusion that I am a republican just because I'm attempting to inject some rationale into the mix. You ironically need the validation of internet points to feel like you're right but without it your arguments are just emotional tantrums at best.

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u/17times2 Sep 25 '22

your arguments are just emotional tantrums at best.

Because Republicans factually vote against any social program? Votes are public, you can see them. Just like you can see when those same Republicans then go on Twitter and say how proud they are to have voted for the bill.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

See it's easy to argue with something that's pre-constructed in your mind. You're not this enlightened being you're as fallible as the next.

Many Republicans are actually pro social program they just don't like when the goalposts gets moved for people exhibiting certain physical features that they're told aren't important. They don't want to be progressive at the expense of their dignity. They don't want to sit and watch snl and pretend it's clever when it's an echochamber.

I wouldn't hold it against any liberal for not wanting to sit and watch fox News just as I wouldn't condemn a conservative for being disgusted by much of the left leaning media.

It's like with any other institution. The people on the bottom that you so hate are usually the most reasonable, the most relatable. But you spend your time spouting rhetoric, generalizations, and hate. I wouldn't even clump you with most liberals since everything you're saying is pretty unhinged and pointless in any civil discourse.

You're essentially just a chimp flinging shit because you don't like my stance that Republicans are mostly normal people just as is true for liberals.

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u/17times2 Sep 25 '22

I'm not talking about Republican voters. I'm talking about the senators and congressmen. The governors and mayors. Elected officials. That's why I brought up voting. It is factual that Republicans vote against veteran healthcare. What in this bill was worth shooting this down for? Especially when 25 of those said they supported the amended bill in the house before they turned around and shot it down here. This is just a recent example of the utter hypocrisy.

You can see all their votes where they shoot down all those social programs that would help the unfortunate, claiming cost, and then opt to slash taxes on big businesses in their state, effectively cutting off income.

actually pro social program they just don't like when the goalposts gets moved for people exhibiting certain physical features that they're told aren't important.

I don't know what this means.

They don't discriminate when they vote against beneficial legislation. Here's another where every member of the party voted against child allowances for needy families. How can you say they support social programs when they prove, in writing, that they do not?

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

Ted Cruz just got called out by the white house twitter for touting a bill that should bring jobs and money to Texas that he voted against, Idk how anybody can't see through the bullshit. They take credit for anything good that happens whether they were for it or not and then blame everything bad on dems, it's the most transparent act ever.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

But I am talking about republican voters. Because every person on this site has this immensely hypocritical generalized view of half the country. And that was the subject I was on anyhow. I'm not defending any politicians at all and I don't care for trump. I'm sick of polarized political discourse. If you participate in that you're just as much to blame.

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

If you could pull your head out of your own ass long enough for a breath of air you might recognize that you are the one playing the "I'm so smart and enlightened, everyone else is dumb" role right now.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

You're really really really upset. I suggest you stop stalking me and perhaps touch some grass. Interact with some real people, just maybe. It could do you some good to get out of the echochamber.

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u/YeahnahyeahY Sep 25 '22

Do you have any self-awareness at all?

You’re telling people they’re acting frantic and scathing, while saying their counter points are “emotional tantrums” … all the while coming off very emotional.

Look in the mirror man.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

You're saying I'm coming off a certain way while providing no counterpoint. You just feel a vibe and that's that.

Well okay then idk how you want me to counter a feeling you get but I can vouch for myself that I am in fact, not upset.

How you get me being upset out of my trying to inject some level headed discourse to a very zealous one sided thread is intriguing to me. Maybe cope less because I disagree? Idk I got nothing else for you, bud.

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

Oh you're like 12 years old, everything makes sense now. You figured it all out in just 12 years, what a spectacular brain you must have.

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

Oh yeah we're playing all the go-to's now lol. Okay I'm 12 and you're not coping and insecure as hell about your own intelligence. I guess parroting bullshit all day only gets you so far, huh?

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

So my anecdotes are no good but yours are perfectly representative of the issue, got it, you're a republican shill

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22

Your anecdotes suggest every individual falls into the worst category of person. Mine says that most are decent people but does not say that there aren't total pieces of shit.

Like with democrats and liberals you'd be the shining example of an unhinged emotive grown child throwing insults in a tantrum because I don't align my thoughts exactly to yours.

All you've really done here is have a fit because I'm suggesting the label that 'Republicans are all X' or 'Democrats are all x' as a dogmatic absolute is just a teeny tiny bit fucking crazy. And it's a huge intellectual cop-out so as to avoid challenging your emotions and think critically, logically about how you feel vs. what is actually real.

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

Again, your anecdotes somehow are relevant while mine are not, you lack self awareness to an extreme level. Go "enlighten" PCM where you belong

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

You're having a hard time grasping the difference. You're asserting every Republican is bad. I'm asserting that not every Republican is bad. You're pushing an extreme. I am not.

You're a psycho.

Let me just add. I feel bad for you having this much misplaced rage. Must be a terrible, dark, brooding place up in that little peanut of yours.

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u/thaterton Sep 26 '22

That does not explain why your personal stories are somehow more relevant than mine, you have main character syndrome, because you are wicked stupid. Idk what else to say, you're just not very intelligent. That's ok, you can make friends that can help you do better in life, even if you yourself are a complete moron, which, again, you absolutely are. Make some friends and have a nice life

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u/ClownBreederOutlet Sep 26 '22

Yeah nah it's a sad little place in that pasty old nugget of fat you call a brain, huh? I'll just pretend that you comprehend how radical and psychotic you sound.

Because surely nobody takes themselves seriously when their argument is, "REEEEE ALL REPUBLICANS BAD" and I'm merely suggesting they're not all bad. Surely your anecdote isn't clouded by a strong personal bias and maybe some mommy daddy issues.

And that has you this tilted and angry. The irony is palpable. You just keep on coping, I can see it's integral to your little autistic fits and having no personal growth whatsoever. Stay safe you silly little chicken nugget.

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u/Jealous-Network-8852 Sep 24 '22

There are do many parallels to today. Putting up a Biden sign on your lawn could result in similar actions in my neighborhood.

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u/Josgre987 Sep 24 '22

Thats why you gotta get strapped.

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u/O_Geeky_One Sep 24 '22

I think the vast majority of them are loud mouths. Talking shit is easy.. shooting someone isn't. Though with enough brainwashing the number of them doing so would grow..

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u/Jealous-Network-8852 Sep 24 '22

Nah, no guns for me. I can handle myself

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u/Gayasskat Sep 24 '22

Bro really said I'm just built different when these nuts have ARs

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u/RelevantTrash9745 Sep 24 '22

I honestly don't know what that means versus a firearm, and would implore you to get a weapon of any kind. For your safety.

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u/Jealous-Network-8852 Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

I’m not going to add to the gun problem in this country. If some yahoo wants to shoot me over a yard sign I’ll see them in hell.

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now Sep 24 '22

This mentality right here is why they think they can start a civil war and win.

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u/IrishNinja8082 Sep 24 '22

Don’t worry there plenty of us lefties who love the second amendment and will defend ourselves and our neighbors. We will not go quietly.

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u/LoquaciousFukcer Sep 24 '22

that mentality is why any fascists anywhere at all get into power

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u/theshicksinator Sep 24 '22

It's why they will win, because liberals (when it comes to guns) and lefties (when it comes to voting) would rather die pure than live victorious.

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u/BlitzerBlitz88 Sep 24 '22

r/liberalgunowners

Lots of "lefties" own guns. They just don't make it their whole personality and shout it to the whole world.

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u/theshicksinator Sep 24 '22

Not nearly enough though. Every liberal I know would rather be lined up against the wall and shot than handle an evil scary gun.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I’d rather meet God that way then with a gun in my hand and hate in my heart.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

A sub full of people who approve of killing kids with guns?? Awesome, let’s keep them all there so they can shout about how much they love guns more then their own children.

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u/catdaddy230 Sep 24 '22

I think you'd be surprised. Most liberal gun owners don't broadcast because they truly will be the first against the wall.

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u/the-practical_cat Sep 25 '22

Yep. Most keep their yaps shut about guns, preps, training they've had-because they know the fastest way to make yourself a target is to brag about what you've got. In a real SHTF situation, the first houses that are going to get raided are the idiots going around talking about their basement full of freeze dried supplies and their 500 guns.

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u/MangledSunFish Sep 24 '22

What does say about the other side? Do they believe in "any means necessary"?

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u/theshicksinator Sep 24 '22

Historically yes, and presently given their willingness to subvert and abuse the law. The Democrats are such weak opposition because to them philosophically following strict legal procedure and decorum is sacred, but that doesn't work when your opposition doesn't care about that, so you end up with a philosophical victory while they win all the actual power. And Republicans know this, so they abuse that tendency constantly. See this video for more info: https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A

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u/Lelio-Santero579 Sep 25 '22

It's not a "problem" if you're responsible, my man.

The problem comes from morons who have no safety mechanisms set in place followed by uneducated handling of said guns. That being said if you don't feel you can be a responsible gun owner than it's better that you don't have one and I'll commend you for admitting it.

However, you may feel noble for not fighting back, but that's exactly what criminals and fascists prey on. They shout and scream hoping everyone will back down. If there's anything to be learned from all the atrocities in human history it's that giving up and rolling over only empowers those wanting control.

I'm lucky to have never needed to use my guns, but I'd rather have them to protect my family then to have no defense at all.

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u/kayla-beep Sep 24 '22

Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. You don’t have to make owning a gun your entire personality but it’s good to have if you’re being attacked by someone with a gun.

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u/Cannacrohn Sep 24 '22

The reality is that there are multiple yahoos that want to shoot you over it, they will knock on your door and kill you right there. Guns arent bad, the people holding them frequently are. So you need one too.

Its the difference between them just coming in and killing you and whoever or not, because they fear guns too. If you have one they wont risk their own lives. If you dont have one, they will just kill you. srs

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u/pankakke_ Sep 25 '22

Stupidest take that left wingers keep going for. You get a gun so your family isn’t murdered by crazies with guns. You wouldn’t be able to live with yourself with that, if they died by fascists at your front door, and you always wondering if things could have gone differently if you had a gun. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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u/olivegreenperi35 Sep 24 '22

I'm sure your family will be so proud, and that your moral victory will definitely be felt as you bleed out

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Hey look! Someone with a brain! Sorry Reddit, but the answer to perceived violence is not more guns. That’s the stupid persons answer.

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u/IrishNinja8082 Sep 24 '22

enjoy being a victim.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I’d rather meet God being shot by someone then have a gun in my hand and hate in my heart. Enjoy your miserable life and try not to murder any children.

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u/IAMMEYES Sep 24 '22

We can have guns be available to the majority of people and still have proper safety regulations. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Gun owners don’t want that. They want to be able to kill children at school.

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u/thedankninja1017 Sep 25 '22

Enjoy following an imaginary fairy in the sky and seeing all black when you die

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u/JuzoItami Sep 24 '22

A lot of people choose not to have guns in their homes for that exact reason - their safety and the safety of their families.

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u/Adonanon Sep 24 '22

I want to but I don’t think I’m legally allowed to own anything (mentally disabled) I used to think I would use a gun in a heated moment, but it’s feeling really hot outside right now

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u/--MilkMan-- Sep 24 '22

I wasn’t either until Jan 6. I have a few now.

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u/Mysterious-End-2185 Sep 24 '22

Statistically speaking the best way to make sure you don’t die from gun violence is to not own a gun.

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u/Josgre987 Sep 24 '22

I figured it was to live on the moon

Until my uncle got shot on a trip hunting moonworms

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u/feralrattrash Sep 24 '22

Neighbours always had their minds lost. The threat of social repercussions kept them in line. As soon as those were gone, masks came off.

Disagree with me if you want, but I strongly believe most people are scared, ignorant, selfish animals and “society”, built by a clearer-minded minority, keeps them in line. The animals just need one leader, one carrot on a string, to collectively decide they no longer need to be decent and will throw their masks to the ground and act like the stupid animals they are.

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u/Mr-Tootles Sep 24 '22

I think this line of thinking encourages us to believe we wouldn’t do these things.

That because we are “clearer minded” we would see the propaganda for what it is.

I don’t believe that at all. I think these neighbors were truly friends once and drip by drop the poison of propaganda and accepted values eroded their own values. It could happen to any of us.

Be careful

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u/HedonisticFrog Sep 24 '22

Republicans were being slowly radicalized by right wing propaganda ever since Reagan, but there was an overwhelming change once Trump took power. This change was because the Republican party was always full of authoritarians, but they didn't have an authoritarian leader until Trump. Then when he took power he triggered their natural instincts and they ran with it and never stopped. They'll never stop until the Republican party is relegated to the sidelines. They're broken people who never recovered from their childhoods. They're coping the only way they know how, which is also why they're extremely dangerous. They'll do almost anything to avoid their anxiety, including shooting up FBI offices and installing a dictatorship in America.

A basic pattern of human response to stressful and uncertain situations which provoke anxiety and insecurity is to seek security and shelter. Those who provide support become by a process of psychological attribution authorities. Therefore the mechanism of seeking support and shelter under strained conditions might be called an “authoritarian reaction.” Socialization involves a negotiation with this basic reaction of flight in situations of uncertainty. As individuals develop, they learn to overcome the authoritarian reaction by formulating their own strategies to cope with reality. The authoritarian personality emerges out of an inability to generate such individual coping strategies. Authoritarian personalities defer to the dictates and control of others who offer them the certainty and comfort they cannot provide for themselves. Extensions of this basic authoritarian response are the rejection of the new and the unfamiliar, rigid adherence to norms and value systems, an anxious and inflexible response to new situations, suppressed hostility, and passive aggression. A new measure based on items on one's own behavior, feelings, motivation, and the individual's concept of the self was developed and tested in several empirical studies. It obtained a good reliability and proved to be valid by correlating to measures of right-wing extremism, negative attitudes toward immigrants and women

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9221.2005.00418.x

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u/Mr-Tootles Sep 24 '22

It’s scary stuff. But we shouldn’t imagine that these republicans are stupid or that we wouldn’t fall for these tricks.

We would and people just like us have.

We must be vigilant always so we never end up doing terrible things like this.

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u/Amerisu Sep 24 '22

Fact is, tho, studies show that Republicans ARE more gullible and ARE more likely to fall for scams and so on. When the entire core of your platform involves anti-education, disdain for critical thinking, and declaring that "evil colleges make you liberal," it tends to result in a markedly stupider, more gullible segment of the population pooling in one group. When that group also offers excuses to the racists and bigots, it becomes appealing to and attracts...racists and bigots.

Part of being careful is supporting education, caring for the less fortunate, being mindful of your blessings (or privilege), and everything else Republicans refuse to do. If being careful does nothing to differentiate us, it's pointless to be careful. So which is it?

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u/thaterton Sep 24 '22

Lots of them are extremely stupid and easily manipulated though, these "tricks" the GOP pulls on them are so transparent only an idiot who wanted to be tricked would get tricked by them. I mean my god, how many times does Steve Bannon or Trump or Rudy have to rip you off before you realize what is happening? It's astounding.

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u/HedonisticFrog Sep 25 '22

Well I wish that were true because it would be a lot easier to win them over, but the strongest predictor of support for Trump was low intelligence. They're authoritarians because they grew up in traumatic households and never learned to cope in a healthy manner. The trauma they endured leads them to have higher levels of anxiety which puts them in a perpetual state of fight or flight, and thus in turn leads them to think intuitively instead of analytically. They can't reason their way out of a paper bag, because if they could they wouldn't be Trump supporters. This is all to say that, no, we aren't like them because we aren't controlled purely by our emotions.

Using data from the American National Election Studies, we investigated the relationship between cognitive ability and attitudes toward and actual voting for presidential candidates in the 2012 and 2016 U.S. presidential elections (i.e., Romney, Obama, Trump, and Clinton). Isolating this relationship from competing relationships, results showed that verbal ability was a significant negative predictor of support and voting for Trump (but not Romney) and a positive predictor of support and voting for Obama and Clinton. By comparing within and across the election years, our analyses revealed the nature of support for Trump, including that support for Trump was better predicted by lower verbal ability than education or income. In general, these results suggest that the 2016 U.S. presidential election had less to do with party affiliation, income, or education and more to do with basic cognitive ability.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550618800494?journalCode=sppa

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u/O_Geeky_One Sep 24 '22

Agreed... Im praying it doesnt come to it... jeezus... But those Q folk and hardcore MAGA... This is our generations test, let us hope our instructions hold! (Congress shaky, Supreme Court on verge of a lost cause no matter what rhose justices want us to think) imagine 2 or 3 more Clarance Thomas clones on the court, guys who place ideology transparently before proper interpretation)

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u/Sewcraytes Sep 25 '22

When I visited Dachau, the first camp, the first half of the tour was exhibits of newspaper articles. I was young at the time and thought it was boring. Now I understand. That is the function of Fox network today - prepping ppl to murder their neighbors.

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u/uglymule Sep 24 '22

The Milgram shock experiment and the Stanford prison experiment show how ordinarily decent people can be weaponized.

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u/thaterton Sep 24 '22

This is why evangelicals are so offended and scared by non-believers. The only thing keeping them from being vile pieces of shit is thinking they might be punished for it in the afterlife. They cannot fathom why an atheist would still have morals without believing in a god. They would be raping and killing if not for god, apparently, so why the fuck aren't the non-believers? That is a frightening thought, and as you say, they are just dumb animals waiting for someone to tell them their god wants them to do these evil things in his name and all of a sudden it will be ok for them to commit all these sins because somebody said god said it was cool.

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u/Pieinthesky42 Sep 25 '22

I grew up in a very religious town in a well known non religious family. As a young child til today I’m often asked how I know right from wrong. I had adults genuinely asking 8 year old me how I knew that lying was wrong, or not to steal, or worse. It was deeeeeply unsettling to know that early on how many people need to be told every Sunday and threatened into being decent humans.

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u/thaterton Sep 25 '22

That is crazy, like who interrogates an 8 year old like that lmao. Fucking weird.

I will admit that a lot of my moral compass was influenced to a degree by church and my religious family members, but it is all shit a normal and sane person could learn through plenty of other means.

I kept what I learned and liked from the church when I realized practicing what you preach is total bullshit and my family is totally fine with children dying or being put in cages like dogs as long as it isn't THEIR children, because I don't remember learning there were exceptions to all of these things Jesus supposedly taught. I never paid much attention at CCE and tried to get out of it as much as possible so maybe I missed the lesson where foreigners and poor children are to be ignored.

I admire the concept of Jesus, or whatever I have been told about this character in a book I do not believe in, like I admire Nick Caraway from The Great Gatsby for his loyalty to his friend. A fictional story can be powerful and inspiring, but if F Scott Fitzgerald was alive and just being a fucking asshole to everyone and preaching hate against poor people or the "new rich" like Tom I wouldn't much care for him as a person. And I don't care for the fake christians filled with hate that seem to make up a too large portion of the church now. The hypocrisy is too much

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u/catdaddy230 Sep 24 '22

Edmund Burke

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u/satan62 Sep 24 '22

It's all Trump's fault, praising white supremacist groups, shit like that.

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u/NocturnalFuzz Sep 24 '22

I've continued to feel conflicted.

Because everything I've ever been taught has said 'though Nazism was the focus, only the SS were the bad guys' or 'the german people were victims as much as everyone else'. But details from the people involved were polar opposite.

The german people were *hyped* to fuck up neighbors and send them off to camps. They bought into the race-purity bullshit but can play victim post-war because their cities were eventually fucked up just like they'd been fucking up other cities throughout the war.

I'm not conflicted about events. The victims have told it how it was. I'm conflicted about my education and the people who lied to me for *ages*.

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u/Miri5613 Sep 25 '22

As someone born and raised in Germany , i never questioned that German people were at least partially responsible for what happened in Nazi Germany. I remember asking my gransparents more than once how it was possible that people didnt realize what kind of monster Hitler was. I never believed they just didn't know what was going on. As someone who has lived for.the past 25 years in the US im horrifies with thats currently going on here, and dont understand how people can not or do not want see the parallels. I can now see exactely how Hitler came to power.

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u/Asbestahedron Sep 24 '22

I don't know if it's a good way to approach it but I've stopped worrying about whether people are right or wrong after adopting a worldview wherein nobody has much agency; that the human race is comprised of dumb animals who do whatever the herd memes tell it to do.

Sure, actions can be right or wrong but the beings carrying them out may as well be extremely poorly programmed robots.

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u/Mydogistypingthis4me Sep 24 '22

Boznia in the 1990s during their genocide. Don’t even have to go back to the holocaust.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Rwanda genocide too in 1994. Right after the election. The airwaves were filled with calls to punish the opposition and out came the machetes.

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u/Worldsahellscape19 Sep 24 '22

Haven’t yet seen it, however I’ll keep commenting this.

Fascism. Our godkings rule in favor of their theocratic fascism yet again. The famous ‘nazi book burning’ picture was captured in front of the institut fur sexualwissenschaften, first institute worldwide that studied scientific material about lgtbq people, and was a safe haven for them. Not to mention rampant sexism is a tenet of, you guessed it. FASCISM. We cannot be complicit as one by one our groups are targeted. All of us that are left of nixon whom they have or will label and dehumanize as being satan worshipping baby killer pedophile grooming parasite Marxist trash..

“Hitler and the Nazis were not liberals, not lefties, not socialists, and not democrats.

Hitler and his Nazi minions were right-wing Christian conservative nationalists who hated liberals for the same reasons [they] hate liberals.”

And i’m sure you guys realize they are planning on killing us all in a holy pogrom to protect themselves, their children, and their host country…….. ARM YOURSELF NOW.

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u/DankNastyAssMaster Sep 24 '22

The single biggest predictor when it comes to the rise of fascism is an ethnic and/or religious group that has historically held power in a country feeling like its power is being threatened by an "other".

That's what fascism really is: an identity politics movement based on the idea that one ethnic group of people just inherently have a right to control others.

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u/UnscSpartan23 Sep 24 '22

I saw it with family members during the pandemic, to far lesser degree obviously. They instantly hated anyone with a progressive/liberal/decent bone in their body.

HATE, HATE, HATE. The meaning of life was hate. Hate these people for X and you for Y and them for Z. Seemingly overnight.

Embers are still smoldering for further stoking.

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u/EdwardPackard Sep 24 '22

Look at Rwanda, it’s always the neighbors

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u/danegermaine99 Sep 24 '22

What a dumb way to ruin your life … “gotta stop Hillary and Soros from raping kiddos and popping a crazy straw in the heads to slurp up that sweet adrenochrome like Capri Suns”

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u/Rorcanna Sep 24 '22

Saw a documentary some time ago where the wife of a camp overseer laughingly asked for a lampshade made from Jew skin.

They both committed die once they were "snapped out of it" and forced to view the horrors of their actions in the company of Allied soldiers. Another woman in Poland lived happily among neighbours for decades, they'd have "pot lucks" and accompany one-another in the summers. Those same neighbours began shouting "JEW SWINE!" after her one day.

Seemingly normal human beings can turn overnight. We have people having led sheltered lives in comfort screaming for a return of Fascism (Italy, anyone?) with populism becoming the new norm for winning elections and "strongmen" world leaders threatening nuclear wars once more.

This is not just a problem of the US, and it is fucking scary. I've noticed a harshening of tone in politics here in Sweden ever since Trump came into power, coming mostly from the right-wing but left-wing parties adopting the same populistic tone to win votes.

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u/NotDaveBut Sep 24 '22

There may not be much more to.it than this. "Hallo, we've found our scapegoat! Whee!"

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u/Shaso_Sacea_Vulhelm Sep 25 '22

It wasn’t overnight, that’s the whole fucking point is that the nazis took over and were allowed to and given silent support from outside Germany.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Wait until they hear about the church getting government funds to rape a bunch of kids. I wonder how they’ll excuse that one

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Mass Menticide, there's a great video on it here: https://youtu.be/09maaUaRT4M

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u/hubbabubbaabc Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

This happens in India under Hindu supremacists all the time.

Muslims are lynched, raped, killed by Hindu militant nationalists, who happened to be their neighbors.

This lady and her entire family was killed/gang raped, by her Hindu militant nationalists neighbors during Godhra riots in 2002.

The rapists were jailed, however recently Modi and his Hindu militant nationalist regime, not only released the convicted rapists, but they were garlanded by Hindu nationalists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62574247

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bilkis-bano-rape-case-convicts-greeted-garlands-vhp-office-1988996-2022-08-17

Worst part?

Hindu militant nationalists in India are funded and cheered by Hindus in US who sent $150 million in last 20 years, and are big fans of Modi, who presided over the riots in which they lady was gangraped and which cost 1000s of lives.

http://sacw.net/article14915.html

https://qz.com/india/1971595/even-the-american-nris-who-dislike-trump-seem-to-like-modi/

Even more worst part?

Children of top leaders of Hindu militant nationalists orgs in US are appointed to Homeland security roles by Biden, despite opposition from Indians and activists.

https://twitter.com/Hindus4HR/status/1557000896575426561

https://change.org/p/remove-sonal-shah-from-dhs-for-hindutva-links

This world is getting bizarre.

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u/jkman61494 Sep 24 '22

People need to take the Martha’s Vineyard issue more seriously. If 5 years ago we said some governor would lure in asylum seekers with promises of a new life only to make them a political toy and also trying to get them deported by putting cities in their paperwork like Tacoma to get to in 96 hours, you’d say I was nuts

If these psychos take over, How many steps away are we until they’re lured in to camps? Or worse?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

And now there are Republicans who want to do the exact same thing to anyone with a Black Lives Matters sign or Democratic party candidate sign in their yard.

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u/O_Geeky_One Sep 24 '22

Yea if things had gone a bit differently I can see Trump supporters doing shit like this in less than 12 months. Illegal immigrants, gays.. whoever President for life Trump was displeased with. F them we know a LOT of them including a bunch of church pastors would do it, "for God and country"

We see you... fascists..

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u/Jugaimo Sep 24 '22

Their neighbors were never their friends. They were always violent racists dreaming of their chance to kill their fellow man.

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u/gooch87 Sep 24 '22

Its exactly the same situation!

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u/TheGreatArseholio Sep 25 '22

Now they’re talking about having a “shock night” on Fox News.

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u/oldbastardbob Sep 25 '22

I think the average person grossly underestimates the human propensity to follow the leader. It's well know that when people pick a politician and vote for them they will then listen to and believe what that politician tells them. The old saying is "people vote for politicians and then let that politician tell them what to think."

This, like all things, is not absolute. There are free thinking people, but that is not the norm. The majority of people are followers no matter how much of a "rugged individual" they think they are. For example, preppers. They seem like independent folks but yet they follow other preppers and doomsday philosophers.

So who we elect matters. Not just because of their politics and their policies, but their character and ethics. When you elect a President who constantly exhibits boorish behavior, who lies daily, who constantly skirts the rule of law, and who spews hate of political opposition, guess what? You're going to get a rather large group of everyday people who mimic his behavior.

That could not have been proven more true that with the anti-maskers during the early days of the pandemic. Trump didn't want to wear masks because they would smear his makeup. The vanity contained in that statement should be alarming on it's own, but I digress. So the Trumpers set out on a course of junk science and fabrication to claim that masks are unnecessary and harmful, and then publicly made asses of themselves in support of their feckless leader and his phony image.

Politics aside, it is important to elect honest people with character, ethics, and some kind of moral compass. Sadly, the way America turned democracy into a mass marketing money game is not guaranteeing that we get to chose that kind of leader.

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u/Dubby-Dub Sep 25 '22

Jewish guy here. I I’m growing tired of seeing anything in the modern day world portrayed as anything remotely parallel to the severity of the Holocaust. This person is sympathizing with children who experienced the most horrific event probably in history and I can’t help but wonder why this was seen as an opportunity by the OP to get people scared… have a feeling this is going to be taken as I am siding with Qanon or something (I’m totally not) but it is pretty disheartening to see the lack of empathy online for what’s been done to the Jewish people. I can take a joke but man…..comparing anything going on today to the events that transpired within camps or the events leading up to the extermination of several races is fully due to a lack of education. Ever since Trump came about the parallels have started and quite frankly I’m tired of thinking about the Shoah (respectful way of saying holocaust) every damn week. That orange guy needs to go away man I think it’s really driving everyone wild quite frankly. Sorry for the rant, but I see this more and more and was wondering if anyone else agrees or if I have just seen and read too much about what happened throughout all of Europe in the 1940s

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u/translove228 Sep 25 '22

The comparisons are happening because they are valid. Many actions of the modern Republican party and its supporters mirror fascist movements of the past. I'm sorry that you find this topic frustrating, but if we don't talk about it and acknowledge it then we could easily let it happen again. I'm LGBT, and the way the right has been demonizing us with groomer and pedophile accusations is terrifying. So if you don't like the conversation, then step out.

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u/Dubby-Dub Sep 25 '22

Strongly disagree. Thanks for sharing though!

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u/Low_Shelter232 Sep 24 '22

Wait what’s wrong with this? It seems like something that would happen during the holocaust?

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u/mrwhat_icanthearu Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Take your bible verse and choke on it @tashakaminsky.

Edit: this post has the whiff of Holocaust denial...it's too ambiguous.

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u/RandyGrey Sep 24 '22

The first sentence refers to them as holocaust survivors interviewed in the Ken Burns documentary. Can't get much more unambiguous than that.

Don't let a Bible verse cloud your judgment

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u/JokerVasNormandy Sep 24 '22

Reads nothing but psalm 97. Loses mind...

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u/musicalrubberband Sep 24 '22

Holocaust denial? Did you even read it?

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u/fucktorynonces Sep 24 '22

I think the implication is that Jews did it to themselves. Basically turned to animals due to civil unrest. I don't know the poster though so maybe they didn't mean that. They need some excuse to reconcile the videos of starving people by the thousands. The Jews did it to themselves to make Germans look bad which is in line with the original Nazi point that Germany was betrayed by Jews in ww1. Pretty vague though. I wouldn't be confident determining which way this was meant.

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u/Heliocentrist Sep 24 '22

does she not remember her childhood?

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u/salvadordg Sep 24 '22

…it’s almost like what happened to latinos after trump became president

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u/KnostyMcPot Sep 25 '22

Could someone show her Schindlers List?

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u/Kailyn12 Sep 25 '22

This is bullshit. I have an actual war letter from an eye witness. So stop listening to this fakery.

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u/Wienerwrld Sep 25 '22

My father lost his mother and baby brother when they were taken from their apartment in Paris and shipped to Drancy, and then Auschwitz. They had been turned in by their neighbors, because they had a smaller apartment, and wanted my father’s for themselves.

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u/Electrokid08 Sep 25 '22

Look I understand that Qanon is awful and all that but can we please NOT compare what they’re doing to an attempted genocide that killed millions of people?

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u/Unique-Sky-6012 Sep 25 '22

The part where she has 96k hearts on that post is fucking disgusting.

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u/Extreme_Length7668 Sep 25 '22

Yeah.......weird.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

The irony of these comments in this post are palpable.

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u/CadillacDale Sep 24 '22

Well that's just a remarkably terrible take on a few levels; this person shows their whole bare ass in that last sentence related to comprehending what these survivors were describing. Also, most of us can clearly remember specific moments of our adolescence that impacted us. I think it's fair to assume - even at 10-to-15 years old - you could recall pretty vividly the trauma associated to literally one of the worst atrocities every committed in the history of humanity.

Unfortunately, social media slaps us in the face everyday with the sheer number of moronic fucking ghouls exist on this planet that we otherwise had been relatively blissfully ignorant of; hopefully Tasha one day will realize how awful it is to say something like this, but we all know she's almost too stupid and obtuse to every reach that conclusion.

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u/GainFirst Sep 24 '22

I had a completely different read on her comments. I didn't get the impression that she was calling their memories into question, just that she felt it was awful that their earliest memories involved betrayal by people they thought were their friends.

Not saying you're wrong, I see how you could read it that way.

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u/Waylandyr Sep 24 '22

Nah, they're definitely wrong and just looking to stir shit up.

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u/icecoldfivefold Sep 25 '22

Let em cus they're enemy is "the global elite pedophiles" worst case scenario they kill someone in the global elite best case scenario pedophiles it's a win win but the audacity of comparing Jews to rich powerful pedophiles is fucking shameful for real like wtf do you even think before you speak or what?

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u/translove228 Sep 25 '22

Are you aware that QAnons wholeheartedly believe the propaganda that LGBT people are secretly groomers and pedophiles?

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u/icecoldfivefold Sep 25 '22

No they don't that's all Republicans think that like what's next all QAnon breathe air?

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u/translove228 Sep 25 '22

What? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Can you punctuate better?

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u/icecoldfivefold Sep 25 '22

Republicans are classically famous for being anti not straight

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u/translove228 Sep 25 '22

Yes. That is what I'm pointing out. I'm trying to suggest to you that the targets of QAnoner's rage isn't going to be "global pedophile elites" or even elites at all. It's going to be LGBT people and others they irrationally hate.

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u/icecoldfivefold Sep 25 '22

Trik em with the ol switcheroo then they're now gay

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u/Praetor_Shinzon Sep 24 '22

Or you know when the whole country stands behind a slogan blacklivesmatter (and then donate to an organization that was known to be antisemitic because they were confused about the difference between the movement and the organization), and then literal businesses and synagogues are attacked, whole sections of cities taken over, industrial districts burned to the ground.

But yeah… it’s definitely more analogous to a handful of crazies who stormed the capital…

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u/SnooOranges2232 Sep 24 '22

"Whole sections of cities" lol!!! You clearly weren't there. One city, Seattle, had like 2 blocks "taken over" for a few weeks. Stop being a silly idiot.

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u/Praetor_Shinzon Sep 24 '22

Stop being a closet antisemite. 👍

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u/gabuiknlfkn Sep 24 '22

can you explain to me how they are antisemetic as if i’m a toddler who’s never heard the term before. sources would be appreciated if they exist

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u/Blitzking11 Sep 25 '22

crickets

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u/gabuiknlfkn Sep 25 '22

no matter how much i disagree with someone or think they are blatantly wrong i will hear them out if they can bring any amount of data to back it up. thre thing is when you just don’t agree because my party said so then you have no data. i would totally respect it if someone flat out said “i disagree because it’s better for me and me alone” than to hide behind this stuff

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u/Vaan_Ratsbane97 Sep 24 '22

Those insurgents believe jewish ((((globalists)))) control the world covertly and with sinister intent and that they have a powerful space laser.

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u/Praetor_Shinzon Sep 24 '22

You are right/. That’s why I called them crazy. I’m just sayin… what they did is not analogous to Kristallnacht

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u/CATSCRATCHpandemic Sep 24 '22

You are right it is more like the beer hall putsch. But one leads to the other.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Lol open up the comments to people saying they need to get rid of the Republicans by any means necessary they are fascist. You throw a bunch of labels on the Republicans and dehumanize them while simultaneously saying it's them.

Remember the nazis blamed all the jews for their problems the same way democrats blame Republicans.

The hypocrisy in the comments is palpable to say the least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Edit: bunch of downvotes and no response. I guess the truth hurts

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u/runaway766 Sep 25 '22

Okay so, I do see the parallels but I’m not sure if we should compare things to the holocaust because it’s not quite the same.