r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 24 '22 Silver 1 Take My Energy 1

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Starry

I don't know. We might need them to protect ourselves from Christian Nationalist Nazis.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 24 '22

My ancestors are Jewish. Someone said to me, “I will stab you until you drown in your own blood you disgusting Jewish pig.” Then proceeded to tell me I was an invasive species and threatened to shoot me. They were dead serious. I’m so glad this was a virtual encounter or else I’d be dead.

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u/NotDaveBut Sep 24 '22

I can't believe anyone still has to listen to abuse like that after all the human race has put itself through. Human beings learn NOTHING.

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u/ted5011c Sep 25 '22

Nobody alive remembers WW2 Nazis.

It is the doom of men that they forget.

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u/machineprophet343 Sep 25 '22

It's not that we forget, it's that our history education in the US so goddamned poor and basically propaganda, unless you have a good teacher and/or are in a state whose curriculum isn't basically dictated by Texas, you never learn about the banality of evil aspect of Nazism.

Most people seem to learn, if they do at all, that Nazis were cartoonish villains and seized power, not that they were largely enabled by ordinary people and a lot of them were painfully ordinary as well.

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u/prodigal_john4395 Sep 25 '22

I don't need that memory to know what Nazi's are all about, I just look at the Republican leadership in the House and Senate.

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u/sp0rkify Sep 25 '22

My grandparents remember.. 🤷🏼‍♀️ they fled, lived in refugee camps for 6 years, before getting on a boat.. not knowing if they were headed for Venezuela or Canada..

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u/PyRoddit Sep 25 '22

As a venezuelan, please tell me they were headed for Canada

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u/sp0rkify Sep 25 '22

Yup, we're in Canada.. sending you all of the love and I hope you're doing okay! 🖤✨️

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u/undersh00ter Sep 25 '22

What are you talking about. There's shit tons of ww2 vets alive still let alone people who weren't soldiers

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u/Squidfizzy3 Sep 25 '22

The National D-Day Memorial website estimated that fewer than 3,000 veterans of D-Day were still living in 2021.

You are correct, but the numbers are very low. 1944 was almost 78 years ago.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 24 '22

I keep forgetting people like that exist. And then I hear them say that shit. Makes me remember how fucked the world is

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u/eeeBs Sep 25 '22

I've stopped being complacent. Depending on the situation, I no longer stay silent, I just calmly heckle and belittle these trash people in public now.

I've yet to have any physical altercations, yet, as I live in LA, and it's rare I'm alone in public, but one of the most effective tools against them is Jesus.

You hear someone spouting off racist shit?

"oh man, I remember when Jesus was super racist, you're just like him! Spitting image."

They deflate fast.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 25 '22

See I can’t do that. I mean I tried but he denied the whole holocaust. He even said he agreed with Hitler. Can’t really do much to get through to those kinds of people.

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u/eeeBs Sep 25 '22

"if the available evidence proves the Holocaust isn't real, that same evidence proves you're not a man? Can you prove it? I don't believe you, Jesus hates liars didn't you know? Does your Mom love Hitler too? Would she fit in a gas chamber? Wow you're really sweaty for a Nazi, when did you last shower?"

Literally just rapid fire. Talk over them, but don't be loud, just consistent.They usually shrink faster then my dick in cold water, though some like to stay flaccid and flounder around, but the public is always on my side. When other people chime in, too, it's icing on the cake.

Abusing them back is the only way they understand the hurt they are doing to others, because otherwise it's all emotional masturbation for them. The important thing to remeber is, most of these people are losers, dumb as rocks, and the only power they will ever feel in their life is tearing others down. It's why they are so insecure and grasp onto fascism, it feeds delusions of "power" lacking in other aspects of their life.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 25 '22

I lost it at the flaccid dick 💀✋

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u/kimlion13 Sep 25 '22

I feel pretty stupid because after Obama’s 2 terms, I really thought the US was at least headed in the right direction. Feels like the last 5-6 years have been the backlash & I still can’t believe the shit I’m seeing & hearing most days. Well I guess at least now you know who you’re dealing with pretty quickly. I’m sorry there are so many ignorant assholes in this world

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u/machineprophet343 Sep 25 '22

It's very frustrating too, because it looked like after Romney got drubbed in 2012, the GOP was finally coming around and getting ready to boot the remaining racists or at least muzzle them because they were seeing the writing on the wall that America was changing to being a more tolerant, pluralistic society. They even had a memorandum or open discussion that they needed to start being more inclusive.

Hell, people I knew back in 2015 and before who were right of center but not crazy were getting on the love is love, let's be more inclusive, so on and so forth train.

Then Trump showed up. And six years later, these same people became vicious racists and bigots spouting off about great replacement theory and anti-LGBTQ+ talking points. And it is goddamned terrifying because they're getting more and more rabid.

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u/WyldBlu3Yond3r Sep 25 '22

I knew it wouldn't be good after he left, I lived with Rednecks and a Rascist family, I knew it was gonna get worse. Now I'm stuck in Oklahoma and 30 minutes from Texas...it's gonna get stupid.

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u/kimlion13 Sep 25 '22

I hope you’re wrong but sadly, I don’t think you are :(

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u/WyldBlu3Yond3r Sep 25 '22

Prepare for the worse, hope for the best.

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u/spindlecork Sep 25 '22

And that’s by choice, especially the past few decades where we have all the access so easily.

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u/RoxxieMuzic Sep 24 '22

I share your concern, but that person is literally one of my neighbors, a brother from another mother as it were. They are all very fucked up and evil, my response to him was...."Never Again".

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u/doogles Sep 25 '22

Well, don't expect the cops to protect you. Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.

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u/fooknboomn Sep 25 '22

And now you do what they told ya

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u/Alphecho015 Sep 24 '22

Shoot back

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u/StarGamer- Sep 24 '22

Nah man. 💀 Then they’d spin the story and the headline would say, “Jew shot man in cold blood”

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u/olivegreenperi35 Sep 24 '22

They already do shit like that anyways, what good is preventing them from saying that gonna do when your dead?

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u/StarGamer- Sep 25 '22

Because if I’m dead the headline will be swayed to pity for me. 💀

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u/Stainless_Heart Sep 25 '22

We tried the not-shooting-back and reasoned response last time. It didn’t work. We do remember. Never forget.

Shoot back and keep in mind it is indeed okay to punch a nazi.

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u/Murica-n_Patriot Sep 25 '22

Rest assured… that person is probably a gigantic wimp who would start crying when and of encountered by the police

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u/Stainless_Heart Sep 25 '22

Exactly. Which is why most of them need just one instance of being stood up to. Punch a nazi today, you’ll have a brighter tomorrow.

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u/FrankieMcGigglefits Sep 25 '22

Husband's Jewish. This shit right here is why he has a Jericho 941. Represent.

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u/chessset5 Sep 25 '22

I'm still confused as to why everyone hates jewish people so much. I get hating Jerusalem, but that's because of their government and how it came about to existing in the modern day. But if you hate jewish people because of that place, it is kinda ridiculous.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 25 '22

He mentioned that all Jews were pedophiles that sucked new borns pps? I have no idea what he’s talking about. Oh. And he said the holocaust didn’t happen.

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u/shapeless_silhouette Sep 25 '22

The newborn PPs, as you put it, has to do with a Rabbi using his mouth to remove the circumcised foreskin. Not sure how common it is in practice, but there was a controversy because he had herpes(cold sores). I want to say it was within the last 5 or 6 years, if I remember correctly.

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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 25 '22

I've heard some of the worst insults, but that is just some fucking Nazi shit. They don't like to be called Nazis, but if the label fits... 🤷

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u/StarGamer- Sep 25 '22

I mean he said he was on Hitler’s side but didn’t want to be called a Nazi 💀✋

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u/Unfair-Thought5814 Sep 24 '22

The atheists need the Jews to save us from the Christians...

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u/DingusTaargus Sep 25 '22

A good portion of us Jews only call ourselves Jews ethnically, but we are pretty much agnostic atheists on the whole religious matter.

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u/JustFun4Uss Sep 24 '22

Atheists do not need ANY religion to save us. We are just fine without it. It's kind of our thing. 🤷‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

Not when the Christians are the ones that want to kill you for being atheist, and also kill Jews for being Jewish. Meanwhile Jews don't give a fuck about atheists being atheist.

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u/Unfair-Thought5814 Sep 25 '22

Yeah buddy I don't believe but sometimes it gets a little lonely being surrounded by Jesus people going nuts. I figured the Jews would understand, Judaism being as much a culture as a religion.

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u/JustFun4Uss Sep 25 '22

Yeah I'm married to a cultural atheistic (non religious) jew. But there is still too much magic in the religious jew. But regardless, the term "saved" is the issue here. Ally would be a better term. But still would not be something I would embrace anyways. Magic thinking is not something believed belongs in a modern world and not something I personally would ally with.

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u/Queen_Eon Sep 24 '22

Nope sure ally ship would be good but we don’t need religious folk to “save us” just some good weapons or brains depending on how the scenario goes.

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u/decitertiember Sep 24 '22

I’m so glad this was a virtual encounter or else I’d be dead I would have to fight back with all my heart and might against a violent bigot.

Am Yisrael Chai, my guy. Never again.

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u/BaldosaAzul Sep 24 '22

In all the antisemitic confrontations I’ve had (I’m a non-practicing Jew, I don’t wear kipa or anything, but the word about my religion spread across my high school) the worst thing I could have done is trying to fight back. I’ve always escaped confrontation by lying, getting close to a safer place, threatening to take “legal” action I knew I could take and win or even, in a single case, putting the aggressor on my side.

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u/StarGamer- Sep 24 '22

No no, I’d be dead.

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u/martymac77 Sep 25 '22

While it is absolutely disgusting to talk to someone that way, the vast majority of these pond scum wouldn't dare say it directly face to face, never mind act on it. Unfortunately, being able to hide behind a keyboard seems to bring out the utter worst in some people.

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u/RedWhiteAndJew Sep 25 '22

And this is why I, as a Jew, arm myself. Never again!

Hopefully one day it won’t be necessary.

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u/Negative_Piglet_1589 Sep 25 '22

I'm 1/4 Jewish but just learned this amazing fact 2 years ago (23&me). I've never understood the racism even after all the history lessons and researching myself, and even less so today as NO ONE is 100% anything, any race nationality class culture etc. It's complete and total ignorance based upon deep seated self-disgust, inferiority issues & major internal flaws.

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u/Bawstahn123 Sep 24 '22

You "joke", but this was largely the only reason myself and a bunch of Democrats I know went out and got our Massachusetts gun licenses.

At this point, if they will be armed, so will we.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I wasn't joking. And it's a damned good idea you did.

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u/gooch87 Sep 25 '22

I think almost everyone should take advantage of their right to own a gun. If you follow all of the rules of gun safety it's a lot of fun to target practice and stuff. Guns are a big responsibility. Also i think an 'assault weapons ban' is a huge infringement on the rights of American citizens since the vast majority of legal gun owners use them responsibly.

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u/Boeing_777X Sep 25 '22

Also, the current “assault weapons ban” that the house passed is more so a “modern firearms ban”. It bans any weapon that’s actually useful for defending oneself.

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u/gooch87 Sep 25 '22

I get what you're saying too though

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

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u/RefrigeratorOk9081 Sep 25 '22

An armed society is a polite society.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

we’re armed to the gills. we’re not a polite society. we have mass murders every fucking day. Japan, otoh, doesn’t have ANY. so you’re dead wrong.

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u/ClearMessagesOfBliss Sep 25 '22

If you need weapons to be polite you are not fit for society.

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u/Stainless_Heart Sep 25 '22

Weapons don’t make the civilized polite. It makes the lawless polite because they don’t know if the civilized are armed or not.

Weapons aren’t the greatest power. The potential to own weapons is.

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u/Bleedles Sep 24 '22

I have seriously been thinking this...

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u/Janus_Grayden Sep 25 '22

Don't give fascists a monopoly on violence, because we know what they'll do with it.

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u/magnoliasmanor Sep 25 '22

Do more than think, act. Start working on your blue card on Monday, walk into a gun shop and ask to sign up, take a test and wait a few weeks (my state at least).

Get yourself a gun.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

what kinds do you recommend for war?

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u/magnoliasmanor Sep 25 '22

Not war. Any form of a gun to keep in your house should you need it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

ok. i’m new. never owned a gun. just thought i’d ask.

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u/magnoliasmanor Sep 25 '22

Sorry.

A hand gun to start, your local gun shop will be able to point you in the right direction.

Go to gun ranges and shoot it, don't just own it and never shoot it.

Then maybe a ride and shot gun if you start to enjoy the hobby/sport.

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u/InvertedReflexes Sep 24 '22

I don't know why this line of thinking isn't more common.

Disarming in the face of an already armed reactionary force can't lead to good things.

If they can be armed, women need to be armed, LGBTQ+ folks need to be armed, labor organizations need to be armed, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

The amount of people I've seen say dumb things like "Nah, I don't need a gun, I have other ways of defending myself." Is astounding.

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u/meestercranky Sep 25 '22

They ARE fond of that old saw about only outlaws having guns when they’re outlawed, and they sure dont intend to give them up. So maybe yeah.

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u/reddit-sucks-ass_ Sep 25 '22

Thanks. I’ll pass on giving up my guns until other Americans stop calling me a pedophile vampire.

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u/dsfnkd99 Sep 25 '22

Came here to say exactly this. Shitload of fascists in this country who ALREADY have plenty of guns and want me and all my friends dead. Fuck a gun ban.

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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 25 '22

I have been anti guns my whole life, I've seen first hand what damage it will do, but the Left needs to be armed & ready. Let the Right show off, we'll prepare & train in silence. Best your "enemy" dunno you're packing.

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u/ssslobonmeknob Sep 25 '22

i came here to say this

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u/Eldritch_Doodler Sep 25 '22

Defending ourselves is the best reason to have a firearm. I’m all for it. With how much both sides keep talking about civil war brewin’, I wasn’t about to be caught with my britches down.

If you want some likemindedness, head over to r/liberalgunowners

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u/Collins_Michael Sep 24 '22

Unironically this. I don't know if humanity can reach a point where personal weapons aren't required to maintain basic rights, but if so we aren't there yet.

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u/bebop_cola_good Sep 24 '22

12g pump works well enough

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u/HauserAspen Sep 24 '22

Drones and molotov cocktails can work beyond the effective range of most people...

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u/Blitzpanz0r Sep 25 '22

Exactly, how would we overthrow a fascist government without guns?

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u/apittsburghoriginal Sep 24 '22

Don’t worry, you can outwit 99% of them by boobytrapping your residence a la home alone style

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u/ReinaFoxx Sep 24 '22

That won't matter at all when they start burning down your house in the middle of the night like their hooded grandfathers did.

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Liberals' smugness will be their undoing.

Never underestimate someone who says they are coming to kill you

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u/ReinaFoxx Sep 24 '22

An unofficial law of war, never underestimate your enemy. Art Of War, ancient wisdom that never gets outdated

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Seriously. Sad that some prefer comforting self delusions to pragmatic, tactically infuriated decision making.

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u/ReinaFoxx Sep 24 '22

Indeed. Like the delusion that even though they literally raided the US Capitol, they wouldn't just start killing Democrats to ensure a Republican victory. They absolutely would and most are waiting for an opportunity, they just dont want to be the one to start it.

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Always very sane-making to meet another person with their eyes open in the wild, Reina.

The average redditor has never heard of the Turner Diaries and it fucking shows

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u/jeshaffer2 Sep 25 '22

They don't want to be the one to go to jail because the rest of the mob didn't show.

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u/Josgre987 Sep 24 '22

I honestly hate that i've become more welcome to firearms. When I was 16, my father bought be a shotgun and I was disgusted. Things have changed.

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u/Alphecho015 Sep 24 '22

Honestly, as time passes, I become more pro 2A. Bring back the Panthers.

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u/Stentata Sep 25 '22

If you go far enough to the left, you get your guns back

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Millions of your countrymen signaling that they, along with an not insignificant portion of law enforcement and the miliyary enlisted ranks, are in a fascist death cult that's gearing up "force the issue" will do that to a person.

I guess Joe just doesnt quite see it that way

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u/Unitentional-Pathos Sep 25 '22

Lib take. I need those guns to protect my family from nazis

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u/inheresytruth Sep 24 '22

I get the sentiment, but this is a vote loser, at a time when we can't spare a single vote and democracy is at stake. The last ban caused the loss of both chambers.

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u/gooch87 Sep 25 '22

Whats funny to me is that this 'assault weapons ban' that passed in the house allows someone to have a classic wood grained version of a Ruger mini-14 but bans the 'tactical' version that has a pistol grip and picatinny rail on the bottom of the gun. These things are for a comfort they dont change the function of the gun at all. They literally just want to ban the appearance of the gun

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u/amberoze Sep 25 '22

This is my take as well. Every time I hear "assault weapon ban", I ask the person to define the term "assault weapon"...99% of the time, they give some vague description like you've stated, with pistol grip and picatinny rails. There is really only one real difference, and it's a select fire safety switch. "Safe", "Semi", and either "Burst" or "Auto".

military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.

-Encyclopedia Britannica.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/assault-rifle

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u/JohnMcCainsArms Sep 25 '22

well that’s the thing, they don’t actually want to win… so they pull out shit like this to ensure they won’t get the votes. but they’ll continue to act all high and mighty pretending they’re doing everything they can to win control of congress.

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u/JeffHall28 Sep 24 '22

I see the Dems have come up with a fresh strategy for tanking the midterms. Such a great message for the candidates running in tight races in purple states! Always good to see fresh partisan fodder that they can get beat up with.

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Seriously. Even is fucking chicago they dems know that their normal song and dance of 2A isnt gonna fly with racialized minorities and many queer folx

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u/MaineJackalope Sep 25 '22

Go far enough left and you get your guns back

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u/magnoliasmanor Sep 25 '22

If they seriously push this for the next few months I'll start thinking it's an inside job and the Dems and nuking themselves on purpose.

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u/JohnMcCainsArms Sep 25 '22

they do it on purpose to ensure republicans stay in control. it’s easier to bitch about shit than it is to make actual change, they’re all old as fuck and give no shits about regular people.

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u/BoukuNola Sep 24 '22 Helpful 'MURICA

Turning in your guns when you know the fascists that fantasize about killing you wont be turning in theirs.

I’ll go ahead and file this under “dumb neoliberal ideas that are gonna get us all fucking killed”.

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u/Almostsuicide1234 Sep 24 '22

Thank you for having the stones to say this.

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u/BoukuNola Sep 24 '22

Expected to get downvoted to hell, but since the ball is already rolling…

1) Every person that has ever bitched about banning guns (not sensible gun control, which I support) is always some washed up white liberal that lives in a safe, gated community. Never had to give a second thought about hopping out of bed at 3 am to defend themselves. Really wish they’d climb down from their ivory towers, because they sound fucking ridiculous.

2) Gun bans will almost certainly be used to disproportionately target/jail minorities.

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u/Almostsuicide1234 Sep 24 '22

Spot fucking on. Being both an uncompromising supporter of civil rights, LGBTQ rights, social welfare, the environment etc etc AND gun rights is a real fucked place to be in this country. Every election you get to play "which rights am I voting to lose THIS time". Furthermore: gun laws like the AWB are written, almost universally, by people with no fucking idea what they're talking about. AR-15? Death machine of war. Ruger Mini 14? Have wood, not scare.

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u/BoukuNola Sep 24 '22

Democrats would be sweeping elections if they;

1) Stopped teasing everyone with legalization like a carrot on a stick

2) Dropped the “ban guns” nonsense. I live in Texas. If you don’t believe these people fantasize about killing you, go to ANY gun store on a busy day and listen in on conversations. These people are a fucking powder keg.

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u/Almostsuicide1234 Sep 24 '22

That's the thing the NorthEast and California democrat powers don't understand: in the South, where I also live, guns are a CULTURAL issue. Like it or hate it, the gun culture in this country will only change like any other cultural component: slowly. And the AR-15? It's the most widely owned rifle 8n the United States. Like it or hate it, it's not going anywhere.

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u/BoukuNola Sep 24 '22

It’s not. If someone can’t buy a gun from the US, they’ll just get them from the cartel.

Someone from my old job had a cousin from Mexico who got busted IN THE US for smuggling 4 RPGs. Yes, you read that correctly, rocket propelled grenades.

At least in the US, the sale of firearms is somewhat regulated. Emphasis on somewhat.

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u/straightouttasuburb Sep 24 '22

Agreed. Don’t live in a gated community but still feel safe living here because just about everyone here is a veteran of multiple conflicts and is armed to the teeth. Anyone coming into this neighborhood for mischief has a death wish. Also don’t fool yourselves… not every vet is a trump fan… a lot of us don’t like him… He wasn’t exactly kind to vets or active duty… however in any community you have good and bad…

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u/electricman420 Sep 24 '22

Definitely correct especially on your second point. All gun control is rooted in racism

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u/YoStephen Sep 24 '22

Under. No. Fucking. Pretext.

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u/ipreferanothername Sep 25 '22

Seriously, as someone left of center who votes largely Democrat... They need to leave guns alone. Guns are not the problem. You won't get 400 million guns returned. It's akin to trying to ban guns and alcohol just... This is not the way

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u/Aryk93 Sep 24 '22

Why are they doubling down on this losing strategy.

Gun control does not win votes.

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u/GruntNumber9902 Sep 25 '22

Did someone say "controlled opposition"?

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u/xisiktik Sep 24 '22

It does, just not for them.

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u/phatstopher Sep 25 '22

Hate when they copy Reagan... fuck Reagan

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u/thedeadlyrhythm Sep 24 '22

howbout no, scott. honestly the proposals thusfar have been ludicrous

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u/Distinct_Sentence_26 Sep 24 '22

I'm pretty sure assault weapons are already banned unless you mean every single type of weapon that could be considered an assault weapon....

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u/User8675309021069 Sep 24 '22

We tried that before. It didn’t work. There are already 20 million AR-15 rifles in the hands of Americans.

All bans like that do is create at least 20 million “pre ban” firearms and make the prices of pre ban guns and magazines on the secondary market go up.

The ship on restricting supply has already sailed. Put all that time, energy and money into figuring out the mental health problem with our young men instead.

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u/magnoliasmanor Sep 25 '22

Thank you. It's clearly too late. You can't tell Pandora to put the emotions back in the box, she's too upset to.

How about... Push for Mental Health Assistance and bring back mental health facilities. Fucking Regan.

America has a mental health issue. Address that, leave the guns alone.

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u/dcdisco Sep 25 '22

Also tho, what is an Assault Weapon? There are wood rifles that dont look like "Assault" but fire the same ammo at the same rate. Are we just banning carbon fiber weapons??

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u/ohsopoor Sep 25 '22

From the police, as well.

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u/jumpthewallstreet Sep 25 '22

Sadly this is not the solution to the real problems facing society. Assault weapons (terrible over simplification) are but tools used by both good and bad people. And the truth of the matter is that no matter the tools bad people will always find a way to do bad things. Mental health and education are the only true forms of help to our societies problems. And yes, they are not perfect solutions but they are a better step in the right direction. Please do not let a rally cry for a loud solution cover up the true problems.

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u/JTSpirit36 Sep 24 '22 Eureka!

Good thing all I've got are defense weapons

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u/Strict-Succotash-405 Sep 24 '22

As long as there are standing armies with soldiers willing to destroy, I want an assault weapon

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u/Squarrots Sep 24 '22

Yes. Cops shouldn't be allowed to have assault rifles!

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u/b_sitz Sep 24 '22

All the trumpers around me have them. So I’ll keep mine.

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u/Lelio-Santero579 Sep 25 '22

Considering all the threats being made about what will happen surrounding Trump right now ... Add that to me living in rural Texas surrounded by crazy conservatives...

Yeaaaaa. I'll keep mine too.

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u/XrosRoadKiller Sep 24 '22

Hell No!

Please leave this topic alone during midterms!

Shut the fuck up and push Ukraine and RvW and Student Loans relief!

Leave this shit alone and do it after you rid the filibuster!

For God's sake stop mixing shit up at the last minute.

rant over

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u/joedoe1907 Sep 25 '22

Here’s some data: Let's go ahead and pump the breaks before shitting on constitutional rights for no fucking reason and look at some facts:

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location:

298 (5%) - St Louis, MO (6)

327 (6%) - Detroit, MI (6)

328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD (6)

764 (14%) - Chicago, IL (6)

That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10)

You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11)

Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

Here are some statistics about defensive gun use in the U.S. as well.

https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#14

Page 15:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

That's a minimum 500,000 incidents/assaults deterred, if you were to play devil's advocate and say that only 10% of that low end number is accurate, then that is still more than the number of deaths, even including the suicides.

Older study, 1995:

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

Page 164

The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.

r/dgu is a great sub to pay attention to, when you want to know whether or not someone is defensively using a gun

——sources——

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhamcs/web_tables/2015_ed_web_tables.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/11/13/cities-with-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812603

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

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u/DeezHutts Sep 24 '22

And how are you going to enforce this law and make Americans give these "assault rifles" up

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u/inflo76 Sep 25 '22

They can't.

Also , have they ever defined "assault rifle "? That's one of those terms that they could use flexibly to include whatever they don't like at the moment

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u/LiliNotACult Sep 24 '22

Looks like we're about to have another ammo shortage.

Every single time democrats mention guns publicly, the gun nuts freak out and buy all of the ammo they have because they think the eViL dEmOcRaTa r cumin' for mah guns, cause an ammo shortage, then freak out over the ammo shortage and buy more.

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u/DJCOOKIII Sep 25 '22

I still can't find any .22 to target practice with, 😭 they never stopped hoarding it.

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u/Cost_Additional Sep 25 '22

Says the guy protected by weapons.....

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u/TheSilmarils Sep 24 '22

Repeal the NFA

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u/PLC55 Sep 24 '22

I thinks it’s funny as some of y’all rail against the insurance companies for being responsible for high medical costs, and still want these same companies to fuck another group of people.

I’m all for education, which should be done in the classroom. I think gun deaths amongst our youth can be fixed by have gun safety taught by licensed instructor for one 45 minute period each day for a week over the span of 3 years. Probably around the same time we teach sex Ed.

I also think that school counselors should be released from their administrative duties and have that vast majority of their time focused on students emotional needs and their future

Also: repeal the NFA

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u/Relativewind Sep 25 '22

I feel like November is so important and so close that maybe dems should STFU about things that really motivate the GOP base. Am I way off?

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u/gooch87 Sep 25 '22

Whats funny to me is that this 'assault weapons ban' that passed in the house allows someone to have a classic wood grained version of a Ruger mini-14 but bans the 'tactical' version that has a pistol grip and picatinny rail on the bottom of the gun. These things are for a comfort they dont change the function of the gun at all. They literally just want to ban the appearance of the gun

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u/tattered_and_torn Sep 24 '22

This sub is so weird.

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u/rzr-12 Sep 24 '22

Let’s add gun license and insurance instead. Let’s treat them like the auto industry.

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u/Collins_Michael Sep 24 '22

All you accomplish with this is pricing out the poor.

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u/DS_Unltd Sep 24 '22

But you don't actually need those to buy and own a car. Maybe to drive around town, but on your own property no license or insurance is needed.

It takes so long at a dealership because of inventory control and sales tactics. All those regulations go into making the user safe and reducing pollutjon, not in making pedestrians safe.

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u/ValhallaGo Sep 25 '22

First off: Shall not be infringed.

Second: if you raise the cost you’re just saying poor people shouldn’t have guns.

Third, you don’t have a constitutional right to drive, but you do have a right to bear arms.

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u/N_L287 Sep 25 '22

<<<<<<<<<The fact that some dipshit reposted this un-ironically

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u/TerrestrialCelestial Sep 25 '22

I've never owned a gun nor fired one. No desire to do either. The ban won't effect me in the slightest 😎 Bring it on 🎉 Anything is better than nothing when kids are being massacred in their classrooms.

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u/M0ntgomatron Sep 25 '22

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to not let him have one.

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u/robidaan Sep 25 '22

Republicans are soo busy worshipping trump, that the bidon administration actually has time to make meaningful changes in the country.

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u/Particular_Pickle335 Sep 25 '22

This comment section is gold. You all really pulled together on this one. ☠

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u/sl_hawaii Sep 25 '22

Totally agree but I have a sneaky suspicion that the republicans will probably block this just like they blocked: anti-price gouging legislation, emergency baby food funding, transparency in political funding legislation, lower insulin prices, veterans benefits, infrastructure packages, and climate control efforts.

The republicans have only one goal: obstruct progress

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u/mrobb3 Sep 25 '22

Liberals need to start getting smart and start learning how to use guns. There are a bunch of crazy Trump supporters out there. Their numbers may be small but they're still dangerous. Quit trying to take the moral high ground with these people and play at their level. They're outnumbered by everyone else but if people don't band together then those traitors will get away with their bull.

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u/Sensitive-Holiday-35 Sep 25 '22

How to lose all the momentum you had going into the midterms in 1 tweet.... JFC!

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u/Vorenthral Sep 25 '22

We don't have a gun problem we have an ideology and social contract problem. Our politics have become so weaponized with a stupid us vs them mentality people we label as other are our enemies instead of our neighbors. Banning "assault weapons" won't do anything.

The violence issues we have in the US are deep and multifaceted. We glorify murders with super star like fame. We have weaponized opinion and undermined active discourse.

Until we fix our media and education systems we will have mass shootings. If they have to use a muzzle loader they will.

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u/reallifeswanson Sep 25 '22

He really needs to focus on keeping the wounds raw from Roe. This is too risky at such a desperate time.

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u/GangloSax0n Sep 25 '22

Ban C&C machining, ban brass foundries commercial AND civilian, better ban chemistry textbooks too.

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u/Slot_tech_3000 Sep 25 '22

I think we should just ban Republicans and only let Democrats own weapons. Just to be a jerk. LOL

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u/SmokeAbeer Sep 25 '22

They do need to rebrand. Idk. The totally out of touch Party of America? The TOOT’s?

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u/ScottTacitus Sep 25 '22

Reddidiots: there are these fascist theocrats coming to power. Maybe like Iran

Also redditers: we should disarm ourselves.

Cowards gonna cower

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u/kingdazy Sep 24 '22

What's the definition of assault weapon?

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u/brian11e3 Sep 24 '22

That seems to vary from state to state and bill to bill.

Commonly shared items seemed to be detachable magazines, folding/telescoping stocks, threaded barrels, forward grips, and internal magazines over a certain size.

I know Illinois tried to call every pistol with a detachable magazine an assault weapon back in 2013. 🤷

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u/Longjumping_War_807 Sep 24 '22

Any firearm that looks scary to people who don’t know anything about guns.

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u/z-eldapin Sep 24 '22

Do you not know, or are you a troll

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

the point is that nobody knows what makes a weapon an "assault weapon" and the term "assault weapon" is a very broad, blanket term used to describe weapons by people who have no idea what theyre talking about. What makes a weapon an assault weapon?

when gun enthusiasts hear the term "assault weapon" if they have any idea what theyre talkign about, the appropriate reaction to that is: What the fuck is an assault weapon?

a high magazine capacity? in my state you're limited to the same number whether you have a semi-auto pistol or rifle. You can have 15 rounds in a magazine in Colorado.

a cartride with a large amount of powder?

High bullet grain?

What about a semi-automatic shotgun?

Semi-automatic pistols are used in wars, does that mean they're assault weapons? Weapons of war?

They've use semi-automatic, low cartridge count rifles in wars. The M1 garand held 8 rounds, and was a heavy, mostly wood gun, and is an actual weapon of war used to "assault" our enemies. Is it the same as a Browning Automatic Rifle?

It appears that non-gun-knowledge-havers just want scary-looking guns that appear to be similar to an AR-15 platform, despite the guns actual ballistic capabilities.

I would make the argument that you can definitely kill alot of people with a glock 19, one of the most common guns in the country. Its lightweight, reliable, concealable, can hold 15 rounds, which is enough to kill 15 people in my opinion, depending on the operator of course, and theyre really cheap.

Plus all of those kids in chicago are killing eachother with semi-auto handguns, but nobody gives a shit about that do we? https://www.thetrace.org/2016/01/chicago-crime-guns-chart/

The thing is: until we can actually define the thing that we want to be "banned" we can't do it. We can ban specific models, but theres alot of carbon copies out there. But if we can't actually define what an assault weapon is, how do we ban it?

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u/tazunemono Sep 24 '22 Wholesome

I'm a pro-gun liberal and would like an answer to this as well. I own several AR15, a Mini 14, and an AR10 (hand built by me) and none of these are assault weapons. So, what is? All mine are for self-defense, hobby/plinking (I shoot 3-gun), and the occasional hunt.

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u/NubbNubb Sep 24 '22

Doesn't help when people keep calling "assault style weapon" (which in itself seems kinda dumb) assault weapons which are IIRC already ban/restricted unless you have special licenses like you see on YouTube.

Or people think AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle which it doesn't :/

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u/tazunemono Sep 24 '22

Yes AR stands for Armalite’s (Eugene Stoner’s) design. AR does not stand for assault rifle.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I would love for you to give me your definiton of what an assault weapon is

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u/ToddVRsofa Sep 24 '22

Good luck, Americas gun fetish wouldn't allow it

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u/RockSkippa Sep 25 '22

Nah way too many psychos lately. Gun culture is ingrained in this country- too deep seated. You’ll never get rid of em. If you can’t beat ‘em , join em.

Be properly armed, trained, and above all vigilant. Don’t boast about your weapons, post them online, or make them your personality. Have them, know how to use them, when to use them, and when to stop. Know the law and your rights. Be smart and brave, not cocky or afraid. Know that not everyone is a monster, but some are, and unfortunately words or a taser won’t work against everything.

The cops have shown they won’t save you or your kids. They’re human and afraid for their own life more. They’re more likely to kill you than anything else.

It’s up to you to defend yourself, train yourself, properly lock up your weapons, be safe with them, and only use them when necessary.

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u/Heil_Hipster Sep 25 '22

We might need them. Russia is getting pretty squirrely. Also, this really shows how little the people in the sub understand history. Like if you look throughout history, war is pretty much constant. Places don't go for more than a few hundred years without having war. So like we kind of need weapons. I hate that people are murdered with them, but if we don't have them and other people do, we will get murdered and they will murder us. I don't want to be murdered. I know you guys will download me to hell and think that I'm some kind of crazy person or whatever, but do remember that most cities in the south, you can go to the middle of town and find a memorial for the Civil War battle that was fought there. That was only 150 years ago. War can comment anytime and it is horrible. We would much rather be able to defend ourselves than to not. And I'm sure some people are thinking that most people wouldn't last very long if war broke out, which is true. But we will last a lot longer as a people if we are armed then we would if we are not armed.

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u/Saltyrise51 Sep 25 '22

Assault weapons? So not just guns anymore? What’s an assault weapon?

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u/StuBadasso Sep 25 '22

Weren't they banned in 94 under Clinton...?

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u/konigstigerboi Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

But we need a specific definition of assault weapon

Carbine?

Battle rifle?

Semi auto?

SBR/Marksman?

Capacity?

Accuracy?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Oct 21 '22

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u/meatspinimusprime Sep 25 '22

Funny they never mention that.

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u/Hull-your-MC Sep 25 '22

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Change my mind.

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u/adultosaurs Sep 24 '22

Stop stanning politicians for saying things they very very very very very very very very clearly will do nothing about.

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u/brian11e3 Sep 24 '22

Anyone remember the 2014 Kunming train station attack that killed 31 people and injured more than 140 others?

Time to ban assault knives.

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u/MrBoomBox69 Sep 24 '22

Not the best idea. Treat guns like cars and ur on the right track. People that own guns need to be competent enough to not be “human” if they need to use it.

I’d say mandatory training lessons in firearm safety, theory behind self defense situations and a routine license renewal. That’s the bare minimum your need if you’re going to operate killing machines. Personally I’d never own a gun, I’d much rather just shoot one at a range. And I’m sure the people that like to own and use guns regularly would be more than happy to know that them and everyone like them are at least somewhat knowledgeable about how to use that device the same way drivers trust other drivers to not go bat shit crazy on the wheel everytime they drive.

But I’m not politician or expert so don’t hound me on this comment lol.

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u/ValhallaGo Sep 25 '22

You don’t have a right to drive. You do however have a right to bear arms.

Licensing just prices out poor people.

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u/D3FAU1T00 Sep 24 '22

I'd like to think most people who own firearms know how to properly use them. Being somebody who owns them myself, even "assault weapons", everybody who I go to the range with know the basic rules of safety and how to properly operate their firearms. Education is the key. People need to know how to operate these tools properly and that they're not toys. To me, an "assault weapons" ban would only stop law abiding gun owners from being able to defend ourselves when criminals are already breaking these laws

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u/D3hoppy Sep 24 '22

No fucking way

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u/clunkerbob Sep 25 '22

Please don't look at inflation. Please don't look at inflation. Please don't look at inflation.

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u/WokeIsSoTeens Sep 25 '22

We can repeat the great success of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban

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u/Competitive-Army2872 Sep 24 '22

Red meat that won't solve anything.

I'm so tired of incompetent politicians and their complete lack of nuance.

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u/wr0ngdr01d Sep 24 '22

I’m pro common sense gun control, but I totally agree this is red meat covered in flies. “Quick - we’re doing well - give me something to say that Republicans can use as a dog whistle!”

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u/Unable_Glove_9796 Sep 24 '22

It's time we ban this country.