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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Sep 25 '22
The thing is the justice system let's a lot of sexual crimes off. Even when there is evidence some judges go easy on the punishment
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u/JockBbcBoy Sep 25 '22
Justices are quick to dismiss sexual crimes by rich teenage boys as "damaging to their futures," and dismiss sexual crimes by women against teenage boys as "she was just lonely and he would have consented anyway."
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u/Unique-Sky-6012 Sep 25 '22
Having an abortion now gets you more jail time than the rapist that got you pregnant in the first place.
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u/hipsterTrashSlut Sep 25 '22
Might as well get revenge while you're at it. You already know the "justice" system isn't gonna do it for you.
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u/DisfavoredFlavored Sep 25 '22
Why the actual fuck aren't American women arming themselves and fighting back?
Because if men could get pregnant, we'd have started a civil war by now.
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u/Yeah-But-Ironically Sep 25 '22
Because women aren't socialized to solve problems with violence.
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u/DisfavoredFlavored Sep 25 '22
Which, to be fair is how you should generally approach problems. But that doesn't always work.
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u/louiegumba Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
Neither are men. This is a huge generalization. You can still raise kids perfect and have them turn out making shitty mistakes.
You just generalized all men and women in that one statement
Edit : you can not like it and you can downvote it but it’s a fact. This is a stereotype. Bad parents teach innocent children male and female by their behaviors. It’s insulting to women because it already promotes the toxic idea that women don’t get raised in harsh environments too and society is telling them to fit in the Barbie mold of “that’s not how a LADY solves their problems!”
It also demonizes men. I’ve been in more than one abusive relationship that even a call to the cops did nothing because she’s just a small lady she can’t hurt you. You have no idea because you get to sit there and make statements like that because you don’t want to think through your assertions to conclusion and see where they end
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u/Yeah-But-Ironically Sep 26 '22
I'm not talking about parenting at all. I'm talking about broad societal trends. Modern American culture tightly links masculinity to violence in a thousand ways.
From the time they're very young, boys are encouraged to play with toy guns/soldiers/police/superheroes, while girls are instead pushed towards dolls/housework/beauty tools/princesses. Do you think that'll have an influence on who they become as adults?
Last week 2,100 high school students in Louisiana were taken to a "career fair" where the boys were encouraged to engage in a push-up contest while the girls were lectured about the power of forgiving rapists. Do you think that that reinforced gender roles?
Gun marketing explicitly claims that buying and using guns makes men more manly%20%E2%80%94%20Gun%20makers,a%20House%20investigation%20unveiled%20Wednesday). Do you think it's at all possible that they're doing this because it *works*?
Even "manly" jokes tend to focus on violence. Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that most violent crimes are committed by men?
I'm sorry you went through those abusive relationships, and that people didn't take them seriously. (Truth be told, I think the fact that people don't take it seriously when women abuse men is just further evidence that society equates violence with masculinity and victimization with femininity--anything outside of that parameter just doesn't compute.)
I'm not trying to claim that all men are evil or all women are perfect; most men do not turn into violent monsters and some women obviously do. But men DO turn to violence at much higher rates than women do, and it's not because of terrible parenting or some biological essentialism BS. It's because society implicitly and explicitly encourages men to solve problems violently.
So going back to the post I originally responded to--women haven't started a civil war because women don't spend their entire lives being told by toys, media, memes, and other cultural products that violence will solve their problems. And I think the really important question ISN'T "Why aren't more women violent"; it's "Why do we encourage men to be violent, and how do we stop?"
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u/louiegumba Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
what are you even arguing about? I aint reading this. you can use your selective examples all you want
look, dude, talk to me about women not being taught violence is ok by society against men after youve been knocked unconscious by your girlfriend and when you call the cops they ignore it because she's too small and girls dont do that.
ive dealt with that example and others you wouldnt even begin to comprehend. Ever have an abusive partner so controlling that she literally pissed into a spraybottle and sprayed it on your clothes without your knowledge so women would theoretically stay away? no you aint seen nothin.
edit: downvote thats what I thought, you are just an armchair quarterback with no experience in the matter
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u/shmikwa10003 Sep 25 '22
On the flip side you can get put on a lifelong list for just peeing outside. Some people have even been deported for it. It's a bit of a crapshoot.
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u/Heheher7910 Sep 25 '22
My uncle had a developmental delay. He was nonverbal. He peed outside and was put on the sex offenders list after prison. He should have never been on the list but he was disabled, poor and Black. No one talks about who is likely to be on that list.
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u/Super_Shenanigans Sep 25 '22
This is an equally disgusting side that is not talked about much.
Even having sex in a car can get you registered.
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u/Birthday-Tricky Sep 25 '22
Hey BenW, did ya read the one about the young many who shook his baby to death because he was not prepared for fatherhood and resented his girlfriend for having the baby?
No? Yeah, because it happens every day.
That baby is one of the "lucky" ones. Others go on to a lifetime of abuse.
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u/DamionOmen Sep 25 '22
Yeah but don't worry about their victims who will also be forced to live their lives with the child of a rapist.
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u/spamellama Sep 25 '22
Well, duh. Florida says they're not old enough to be able to decide they want an abortion. Just old enough to raise a child.
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u/Exaltedautochthon Sep 25 '22
Okay but that's what a felony conviction is for, not making a woman carry a rape baby.
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u/PaleCow84385 Sep 25 '22
I'd agree with this sentiment if we, as a nation, can agree on what is and isn't an adult in America. If we can agree to treat all 17 year olds the same in the eyes of the court, then fine. But we can't keep treating these kids like kids, then punishing them like adults when they fuck up.
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u/louisedelacroix Sep 25 '22
Wait... what the hell? That's absolutely ridiculous. Do you know the name/more info of this case? I'm a bit scared to search "17 year old possession child pornography crime" on Google, not gonna lie. 😅
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u/JockBbcBoy Sep 25 '22
There's also the case of the 11 year old boy who was raped by his babysitter. She got pregnant and had his child, but was later tried and sentenced to prison. The boy (who should now be in his twenties) and his mother are raising the son from his rape.
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Sep 25 '22
Also we can’t arbitrarily decide when to try kids as adults. Black boys are more likely to be tried as adults than any other race for the same crimes.
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u/zsturgeon Sep 25 '22
Yep. This is one of my issues that I will "die on a hill for." I can't believe that we allow anyone under 18, and oftentimes as young as 15, to be sentenced as an adult. We all agree that children don't have mental capacity to be held fully responsible, but somehow we just change the goalposts when we are really, really mad about something they did.
I agree that 18 is an arbitrary age, and not everyone matures at the same rate. However, that is the number we chose. Nobody should spend the rest of their life in captivity because of a mistake they made when their brain was still developing and they weren't even old enough to sign a binding contract.
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u/Mellrish221 Sep 25 '22
Its really just another "selective enforcement" arm of the law thats used in particular against minorities. Yes yes, there are absolutely white kids that get tried as adults, but that ironically is usually with serious crimes. Guess how many judges have leaned against black kids for DUI or weed possession etc etc.
Due for a massive legal overhaul and I guess it IS happening... just not in a good way with regressive conservatives taking over the courts.
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u/SirAdrian0000 Sep 25 '22
If we can try kids as adults, kids should be able to apply for adult rights like voting and drinking.
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 25 '22
There exists underage hit men.
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u/rulesareforsuckers Sep 25 '22
How do you put out a contract on somebody when they’re not old enough to sign one?
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 26 '22
I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Why would criminals worry about that?
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u/Creative-Constant-52 Sep 25 '22
I could agree if... men didn’t beat and kill women for exactly this type of fear.
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u/Eoxua Sep 25 '22
People can be childish in one way and treated like adults in another. It's not a binary choice.
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u/zsturgeon Sep 25 '22
It is, though. The reason we have a distinction in the law in the first place is because we all recognize that children's brains are still developing, and they can't be expected to make rational choices.
No kid should have to spend the rest of their life in captivity because of something they did when they weren't old enough to sign a binding contract, or in some cases not even old enough to drive.
It is in fact a binary choice. (Child) - (Adult)
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u/Eoxua Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
we all recognize that children's brains are still developing
Ok, that's one point, but we can't use neurology as a reference point alone. Neural development doesn't stop until mid 20s, and that's for neurotypical individuals.
There isn't really a magic number where someone intrinsically becomes an adult. The number 18, is an extrinsic approximation of the definition "adult".
The perception that "adult" and "child" is a binary choice at an approximate age, is done out of necessity.
(Just in case, no this is not an endorsement for MAPs. Pedophiles can fuck off)
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u/zsturgeon Sep 25 '22
The perception that "adult" and "child" is a binary choice at an approximate age, is done out of necessity.
I totally agree with that sentiment. However, I fail to understand how that bolsters the belief that people under 18 can be charged as adults in specific circumstances.
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u/Gimme_The_Loot Sep 25 '22
Just to play devil's advocate with you, is there nothing where you think the consequences should follow a minor for their entire lives?
Let's say a 15 year old commits an armed robbery and ends up shooting someone. Sure maybe their brain is "still developing" but if you don't know "shooting someone while you rob them" is wrong by 15, do we expect this person to know better a couple of years later?
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u/unknownemoji Sep 25 '22
No, it's not.
Trying him as an adult at 17 is based on the severity of the crime.
The body that he took the picture of was, physically and legally, still a minor.
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u/distressedwithcoffee Sep 25 '22
Everyone can see why that's dumb, though.
Those laws exist to protect children from being exploited. Ignoring that intent and using the "well, technically" letter of the law to prosecute a teenager for taking a picture of his own junk is not just stupid, it's malicious and cruel.
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u/unknownemoji Sep 25 '22
Oh, I agree. There was definitely a disconnect between the intent of the law, the actual crime, and the outcome of this trial.
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u/DonDove Sep 25 '22
Those assholes grow old eventually
F*** them, bad actions should never be ignored or encouraged
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u/england_man Sep 25 '22
Yeah, crazy. Imagine you'd be judged based on your past deeds instead of how wealthy you were born.
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u/unknownemoji Sep 25 '22
"Ok, how about I do the time (as community service), maybe double even, and I pay a huge fine and a settlement to the other party, but we all agree that it never happened because I want to go into politics?"
—EveryRapeyFratboy
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u/ChaseSpringer Sep 25 '22
Uhhh you’re aware the majority of those 17 year old rapists are men who suffer no consequences, much less paternal responsibilities. Most babies born from rape are born fatherless and without child support.
Ben probs has some bastards out there whose mothers he one and doned
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u/Steve_Rogers_1970 Sep 25 '22
Instead of teaching our daughters how to not get raped, let’s teach our sons to not rape.
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u/goeslikeschnell93 Sep 25 '22
I assure you “this will be with me forever” is not what’s going through their mind.
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u/Pyewacket62 Sep 25 '22
Call me crazy but, why should a woman be responsible for a child of rape?
They shouldn't have to carry that for the rest of their lives.
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Sep 26 '22
When the only effective deterrent for sexual assault isn't that it hurts and destroys other peoples' lives but how it's going to affect YOU.
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u/toxicchildren Sep 26 '22
Because there's the gray area of "well she says its okay now, when she MAY be drunk, but can easily turn around tomorrow and call it rape, and then it's MY (male) future down the drain."
I say this as a woman who watched another woman do just that to a guy.
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u/seansy5000 Sep 25 '22
Yea but women’s bodies aren’t vessels for abusive men to learn life lessons through…
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Sep 25 '22
I mean, it's not like it would prevent them from becoming a Supreme Court Justice or anything.
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u/Absinthicator Sep 26 '22
It should have legal consequences and so should regular assault from high school on.
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u/Just_Tana Sep 25 '22
But then we would have a Supreme Court justice who would never have gotten his job….
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u/IAmPandaKerman Sep 25 '22
good sentiment shitty idea. If the only thing preventing you from sexually assaulting someone is the fear of consequences, well then they'll do it when they think they won't get caught
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u/Herr-Hunter1122 Sep 25 '22
Fucking good. My goddamn rapist got off with no record. Our legal system is bullshit. And her false claims against me went all the way to the state fucking court!
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u/MewtwoStruckBack Sep 25 '22
Anything that follows you after you've served your prison sentence is questionable, or if you've done something that isn't a crime yet it still affects your ability to gain employment or better your position in life, is questionable as well.
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u/No_Banana_581 Sep 25 '22
What is this even about?
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u/MrPickles84 Sep 25 '22
Probably about judges being lenient with teenage sexual assaulters.
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u/Fit_Effective_6875 Sep 25 '22
Lenient judges like the one who sentenced BROCK TURNER THE RAPIST.
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u/Humble_Story_4531 Sep 25 '22
Didn't Biden recently extend the statute of limitations for sexual assault?
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Sep 25 '22
What do you think groping is, my dude? Like can I just run up and grab your dick? Groping is fucking assault
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u/WorldClassShart Sep 25 '22
You're right! I shouldn't be condemned for the rest of my life for a little assault. Not like I actually killed anyone. I just chopped off a leg. The scar is probably gone, and they're definitely over it by now.
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u/munchie177 Sep 25 '22
Please… BE QUIET ABOUT FALSE ACCUSATIONS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. A man is more likely to be raped by another man than be falsely accused of rape.
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 25 '22
It still happens. Why should we be quiet about it?
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u/munchie177 Sep 25 '22
Because it’s leveraged against rape awareness.
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 25 '22
So some crimes we simply shouldn’t talk about, is that what you’re saying?
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u/munchie177 Sep 25 '22
Again you’re missing the fucking point. False accusations get brought up for the wrong reasons. It always is.
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u/distressedwithcoffee Sep 25 '22
You know perfectly well that they're saying "we can't let worries about a rare crime stop us from addressing a very common one".
You're trying to stifle addressing a common crime by distracting from it, pretending a smaller issue is not just equivalent but so much worse that it deserves more consideration.
It's a dishonest tactic and everyone can see what you're doing and why it's BS.
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 26 '22
"we can't let worries about a rare crime stop us from addressing a very common one".
What’s stopping us from addressing the very common crime?
You're trying to stifle addressing a common crime
No. Unless you got proof of this claim against me? If so, then show that here.
pretending a smaller issue is not just equivalent but so much worse that it deserves more consideration.
What an absurd and weak straw man you’re trying to build. I never said anything even remotely like that.
It's a dishonest tactic
Yes, strawmanning (or however you say it) is a dishonest tactic. So is projecting, which you are doing right now when you accuse me of using a dishonest tactic seconds after your straw man.
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u/distressedwithcoffee Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
What’s stopping us from addressing the very common crime?
You. People like you. Because every time we draw attention to the common crime, you're there in the comments, delegitimizing the issue by saying what about false accusations?!?!???
You’re trying to stifle addressing a common crime
No. Unless you got proof of this claim against me? If so, then show that here.
It's extremely cute that you posted this after deleting your comment asking about false accusations, but the fact is that you did derail a conversation about assault by telling everyone to pay attention to lies about assault.
Don't know if you've ever heard about implications, but by acting like the only thing worthy of comment was "what about false accusations?", you directly implied that it was the only thing worthy of comment. More important than anything else. Deserving of more consideration.
You know what you're doing. I don't know why this dishonest garbage brings you joy, but go touch grass, have a good meal, and realize there are more sources of fun in the world than helping assaulters continue to assault people and get away with it.
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u/PinocchiosWoodBalls Sep 25 '22
Did…did you just try to say that groping isn’t that bad?
Where the fuck are you from?!
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u/VirtualAgentsAreDumb Sep 25 '22
Did…did you just try to say that groping isn’t that bad?
They didn’t. Stating the obvious fact that sexual assault can be of different magnitude isn’t the same as saying “groping isn’t that bad”.
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Sep 25 '22
Its not about the committing its about the accusation.....Not the same thing since those can be false
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u/plueschlieselchen Sep 25 '22
„I never raped anyone, but I pushed them further than they wanted“.
What do you think rape is?
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Sep 25 '22
I’ve certainly never raped anyone
I probably pushed some girls further than they may have wanted
So you've sexually assaulted multiple people.
What if they decide to make an accusation?
You mean report what you did to them? Don't worry, the cops and judge will let you off because they were also predators at that age.
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u/Saintsman12 Sep 25 '22
if you are constantly thinking back to how guilty and bad you feel about pushing them too far, just imagine how they may be feeling thinking back to how you pushed them too far
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u/theflyingkiwi00 Sep 25 '22
Let alone as an adult when you meet girls who say no and you stop，only to have them ask why you stopped，you start again，they say stop，you stop，they ask why you stopped，then they tell you to do some fucked up shit.
Or you could just get up and leave
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Sep 25 '22
What in the actual fuck is this thread? You didn’t get consent. Just because that was a thing that was allowed doesn’t mean you got consent and that’s why people should be protected
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u/Makuta_Servaela Sep 25 '22
It's good you're still thinking about it to this day. Because those girls sure as hell are, too. Sex abuse trauma is incredibly difficult to heal from.
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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 25 '22
You know, people who don't sexually assault others worry not about accusations, it's 98% just people who did something wrong, like you admitted to doing. Just because 20-30 years ago women & men were way more scared to come forward, don't make it any less despicable. 99.99% of those that haven't done anything don't need to worry.
You worry about stuff from 40 years ago because you're at least aware you did something wrong. If you can't tell the people you wronged you're sorry and ask for forgiveness, just hope your "groping" was so forgettable, they dunno you even exist.
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u/AthenasApostle Sep 25 '22
Sometimes when someone says no you take it as a challenge to make them get so excited they say yes
Yes, this is exactly the problem.
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u/Low-Bread-2752 Sep 26 '22
I hope you get charged. What you did it gross and I hope it guilts you for the rest of your life. If someone says no, or they look uncomfortable with what you're doing, stop. Only continue if you've been given consent, being quiet, looking away, letting you continue, doesn't always equal consent. Sometimes people are too afraid to say no, which is why you need a yes.
God some humans are rlly disappointing. When is an asteroid gonna destroy earth so it can get a redo??
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u/0_Shinigami_0 Sep 26 '22
Lol, the vast majority of LGBT people hate pedos. "maps" aren't part of the community. Troll somewhere else
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u/0_Shinigami_0 Sep 26 '22
There's always a few outliers, that doesn't mean a "good portion" supports them.
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u/EldenReap Sep 26 '22
It’s a good portion. You’re trying hard to defend pedophilia right now by down playing it. Stop trying to protect your friends.
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u/0_Shinigami_0 Sep 26 '22
I guess all the times I've said k*ll pedos doesn't count suddenly bc I like the same gender huh
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u/Low-Bread-2752 Sep 26 '22
Liberals aren't desperate to be sexual with children.
Also there are far more republicans sexual harassers, assaulters, rapists and child rapist than there are any Democrat ones, yet they have gotten no consequences. So maybe you should redirect your negativity to where it's ACTUALLY needed.
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u/Low-Bread-2752 Sep 26 '22
Why are you making up stuff LMAO.
No one is teaching CHILDREN about sex or how to masturbate omg lmao.
Also I NEVER defend pedophiles. Did you not read my comment about how people have literally voted for pedophiles, rapists and sexual assaulters)harassers in the Republikkkan party?? And the fact that they never faced any backlash or gotten arrested??
In fact, I think all pedophiles, rapists and sexual assaulters should get life in prison or some extreme sentencing aside from that lmao.
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u/ultimate_gay_ Sep 26 '22
Oh Jesus Christ put a sock in it already. “OoOooooo there are pedos in the LGBTQ+ community ooOoooOooo” guess what, bud? There are pedophiles everywhere. E V E R Y W H E R E . It’s just your little brain can’t comprehend that they’re in places more than just the silly little internet gays. This country as a WHOLE is soft on rape & pedophilia, whether they’re democratic or republican.
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u/R4iNAg4In Sep 25 '22
Call me crazy, bur assuming guilt until proven innocent is the death of justice.
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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 25 '22
You got trouble with reading comprehension? Nobody's assuming guilt, the tweet was about 17-yo that commit actual sexual assault should worry they'll see consequences.
Letting the rich & powerful get away with crime is the death of justice, when justice can easily be bought.
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u/lllGreyfoxlll Sep 25 '22
I mean, I get the point but the cool thing about the new gen is they don't quite need to be scared for their life in order to not dry hump everything on their way.
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u/Nefarious_Darius Sep 25 '22
Yeah, but if I want to be a Republican senator, it shouldn't count against me. Because I'm trying to get richer and famouser.