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I'm in my 40's and this is the TikTok of my generation. 💩Shitpost💩

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u/bevilthompson Sep 24 '22

Beware the Wheelers...

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u/ItsMeNahum Sep 24 '22

The Wheelers creeped me the fuck out in that movie.

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u/The_Goondocks Sep 25 '22

Total nightmare fuel. The whole movie was.

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u/Orudos Sep 25 '22

I just looked up what "beware the wheelers" is from and I'm quite happy I missed this movie as an 80s kid.

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u/Jesperado Sep 25 '22

Don't be, that was my favorite movie growing up!

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u/nutmeg32280 Sep 25 '22

I let my kids watch this when they were about 5 and 7, they both had nightmares about the wheelers for a week 🤣 oops lol

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u/some_random_noob Sep 25 '22

They still creep me the fuck out and i'm an adult now. They're only a little gore away from being a cenobite.

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u/dinoroo Sep 25 '22

Not sure how old they are now but don’t ever show them the episode of the original animated Ghostbusters series with the Boogieman. That changed me.

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u/baconmethod Sep 25 '22

Have them watch the peanut butter solution instead.

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u/Particular_Sleep9402 Sep 24 '22

Yes. Also. Gave me confusing feelings as a child…

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u/spitel Sep 25 '22

You were attracted to the Wheelers?

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u/Particular_Sleep9402 Sep 25 '22

How was I supposed to know that bratty, vers, punk, bottoms in steampunk drag would do it for me?

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u/WaxStatue Sep 25 '22

Fairuza Balk did similar things to young me.

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u/Particular_Sleep9402 Sep 25 '22

Movie full of awakenings. Don’t even get me started on Mombi. Or the Nome King in ruby slippers.

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u/BadgerSituation Sep 25 '22

You ever go back and watch it as an adult?

The movie's still creepy as fuck but the wheelers are ridiculous.

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u/marysunshine Sep 25 '22

Agreed. Still messed up from it

Edit: and the noise they made

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u/iampierremonteux Sep 25 '22

The book is much better.

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u/ItsMeNahum Sep 25 '22

Typically books are better.

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u/AD_Skinner_no_shirt Sep 25 '22

and the hallway of fucking heads?!

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u/scoresavvy Sep 25 '22

Ah The Wheelers. The stars of my childhood recurring nightmares.

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u/niwiad9000 Sep 24 '22

Seriously f dem wheelers

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u/TheCarrzilico Sep 24 '22

I love it when I can predict what the top comment on a post is going to be about.

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u/aquanite Sep 25 '22

I still have nightmares to this day about them.

I went to San Diego Comic Con ~10 years ago, and I remember waiting in line for the Breaking Bad panel and having someone dressed like a wheeler, zipping around and I was near tears lol I felt so stupid but it is definitely not something that I would ever expect to see irl. He even made the sound perfectly i hated it

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u/Clear_Scene_4064 Sep 25 '22

But they are so cute!

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

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u/atomicsnarl Sep 25 '22

Two overlapping triangles and a circle in a gray square?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 27 '22

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u/atomicsnarl Sep 25 '22

It's a link filter that borks calls from outside the wiki.

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u/ZedGardner Sep 25 '22

I still occasionally have nightmares about the wheelers.

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u/Adam_Smith_TWON Sep 24 '22

I love how Return to Oz was just absolute nightmare fuel. I saw it when I was like 7 years old, having never seen the original Wizard of Oz.

Between the mental hospital, the Wheelers and the Psycho Queen I was scarred for years.

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u/The_Only_Spex Sep 25 '22

This was a movie I watched when I was so young, I spent a good portion of my childhood trying to remember the movie that had all the heads in cases.

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u/Zmb7elwa Sep 25 '22

I loved this part. The way she’s like come with me, I gotta change into my mean bitch head. 🤣

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u/ochief19 Sep 25 '22

Same for me. So many weird things and kinda blended with so many other movies.

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u/Jewel-jones Sep 25 '22

This is the first movie I remember watching in a theatre. I was obsessed with the original Wizard of Oz as a little so my mom thought this would be fun.

It was super weird but I think I still liked it? I remembered it anyway lol.

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u/tread52 Sep 25 '22

I want to watch that movie again.

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u/SeagalStillHasIt Sep 25 '22

The living sofa

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u/iampierremonteux Sep 25 '22

Much better as books. Imagination has limits on scary, and can cover things the camera cannot. The fact the movie covered two books that themselves were long, also means bad a bridging of the plot.

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u/GeneRichardSimmons Sep 25 '22

I knew I recognized this from somewhere! I haven't seen return to Oz since I was a kid. Man I gotta get blazed and rewatch that shit.

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u/zeemonster424 Sep 25 '22

I think my brain filed this away in the nope drawer, because I completely forgot about it until now. I’m gonna leave before I remember too much. I pray my kids never find this movie. It truly gave me recurring nightmares as a kid.

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u/MundaneRuxx Sep 25 '22

Imo it's the superior book, the oz books can get so whimsical and dark.

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u/h1ngofthekill Sep 24 '22

If anyone out there is feeling brave, Return to Oz is available to watch on Disney+ (in the US at least). Still as freaky as you remember.

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u/Snoogieboogie Sep 24 '22

Yeps! The room full of heads still makes me uncomfortable and I'm 40.

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u/BloodyPinkChanel Sep 25 '22

Yep that was my first thought when seeing this post. When the heads all wake up and start screaming, OMG! Sleeping with the light on tonight, haha!

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u/marysunshine Sep 25 '22

43 and scarred for life

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u/Vagsticles Sep 25 '22

Can confirm it is in Disney+ in Australia too. My 4 1/2 year old daughter just watched it and loved it. But I'm starting to think I made a mistake reading about all these people traumatized by some parts of it. Oops.

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u/SlouchyGuy Sep 25 '22

Interestingly enough, the books its based in are not tgat different, but maybe less scary because you can avoid imagining too much when you read, even though some moments are spooky

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u/mindoversoul Sep 24 '22

This was the creepiest damn movie I've ever watched

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u/atodaso Sep 24 '22

Just watched this with my kids tonight. It was the first time seeing it again in 30 years. Wheelers were just as creepy.

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u/KindnessGentleSoul Sep 24 '22

This looks familiar to me, but I'm not sure why...? Is it from a movie? I have a bad memory.

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u/Destiny89becomesme Sep 24 '22

It’s from ‘Return to Oz’. The chick out of water boy and the craft plays a young Dorothy that gets taken back to Oz through a flood this time with her chicken ‘Bilena’ instead of toto. She embarks on a mission to find her red Ruby slippers that had fallen off of her feet on the journey home from ‘the wizard of Oz’. It’s definitely more my favourite then the original.

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u/ShavedZangief Sep 24 '22

Fairuza Balk

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u/gutsonmynuts Sep 24 '22

She's always the crazy hot chick in everything. One of my first crushes.

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u/Destiny89becomesme Sep 24 '22

Thank you! I was too lazy to google her name and I knew I’d butcher the spelling haha

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u/BingoVentura Sep 25 '22

I went down the rabbit hole and googled her, then ended up finding the trailer of this movie on imdb.

https://m.imdb.com/video/vi2204745241/?playlistId=tt0089908?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

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u/DomLite Sep 25 '22

The funny part is, for all the liberties it took, it was more accurate to the books than the original musical film was, and brought in a ton of characters from across the whole series. Jack Pumpkinhead and The Gump are straight from the second book, The Marvelous Land of Oz, as is the Powder of Life and Mombi, or at least the name Mombi. It's also the origin of Ozma in the books. Mombi in the movie is basically a fusion of the original Mombi as a witch and Princess Langwidere who could change her head at will. The Wheelers are from the third book (and if you can believe it the original artwork for them is even more truly horrifying than the depiction in the movie), and the Nome King originates from the same book then proceeds to be essentially the main antagonist for the rest of the series. This third book also introduces Tik-Tok and the aforementioned Langwidere, as well as Billina the Chicken, who journeys to Oz with Dorothy after they're swept out to sea.

Basically, Return to Oz rather skillfully combines the second and third books into one story that's not quite accurate, but far moreso than the original movie, and the scene at the end when Ozma returns is just littered with extras dressed up as iconic Oz characters, like the Wogglebug and the Patchwork Girl. The versions of the Scarecrow, Tin Woodman and Cowardly Lion featured in the film are pretty much 100% accurate to the original book art as well. Honestly, it's a great love letter to the Oz books, and while it can't be called anything but a sequel, given that it follows up on the original tale, I almost like to view it as a sequel to the first book rather than the movie, with the only difference being the use of the Ruby Slippers as opposed to the Silver Shoes of the book. It just managed to capture that kind of 1920's fantasy art style that the original art showcased and made Oz feel a very different kind of fantastical than the original movie. It helps that Dorothy was played by a girl who was closer to the character's actual age in the book too.

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u/fyrryl Sep 25 '22

Damn, now I’ve got to add this series to my reading list! Thanks!

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u/DomLite Sep 25 '22

I mean, they’re not exactly hard reads. They are children’s books after all, and while a few might be a little longer than a single sitting sort of book, they’re pretty close. It’s really interesting to see how the characters were originally portrayed versus the original movie (Glinda in particular is a stone cold, no nonsense bitch and I dig it) as well as all the interesting and crazy characters and situations that come up.

Obviously there are a few themes or implications that are a little outdated, but one can hardly expect a book series that literally started in 1900 to be a pinnacle of modern sensibilities. Considering Ozma has a magic painting in a radium frame though, it’s pretty clear that anything borderline offensive likely comes from a place of ignorance rather than malice. 🤣

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u/KindnessGentleSoul Sep 24 '22

Thank you! I think I had a coloring book at my grandma's with those characters.

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u/WeirdAttorney4795 Sep 24 '22

Return to oz. My sister had me watch this as a kid and I had nightmares

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u/Laytonc97 Sep 24 '22

Now that is something I didn't expect to be reminded of today.

That movie is fucking nuts

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u/Havryl Sep 24 '22

Pick me up... Pick me up...

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u/Far_Reward4827 Sep 25 '22

Poor TikTok 💔

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u/Destiny89becomesme Sep 24 '22

In my 30’s and he’ll always be the tik tok of my generation!!

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u/ironfunk67 Sep 24 '22

Dude looks so good all shiny at the end!

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u/moeriscus Sep 24 '22

Lord that movie creeped me out as a kid. Is it as disturbing as I remember?

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u/atodaso Sep 24 '22

Just watched it again this evening. Yes.

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u/Rusty_Shakalford Sep 25 '22

Weirdly enough as an adult I find the creepiest character to be the doctor/gnome king. He puts on this front of being kind, helpful, and compassionate, but in reality he is deeply sadistic. The most unsettling moment in the movie for me is when he “comforts” Dorothy during the final test. He’s clearly getting off on the power he has over her, as a few minutes later when she actually begins to succeed he flies into a rage.

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u/VorAbaddon Sep 25 '22

Kinda reminds me of the Alice games. I wont go further to not spoil it, but look them up. Absolute horror show.

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u/marysunshine Sep 25 '22

I’m betting it is

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u/SquidgeSquadge Sep 25 '22

Yes but I found The Dark Crystal and The Never Ending story worse in nightmare fuel content. The hospital at the start was the worst aspect for me followed by the deadly desert, momby and the wheelers.

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u/moeriscus Sep 26 '22

I didn't watch dark crystal until I was an adult (maybe my parents knew it would be too dark for me). I now have a greater respect for the enormous talent of Jim Henson

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u/Apart-Run5933 Sep 24 '22

I’m mid 40s and showed this to my nieces. Sister in law had never seen it either. They were shook lololol

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u/1pencil Sep 24 '22

That movie was scary.

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u/turdpimpin Sep 24 '22

That was such a creepy movie. The headless witch was what got me

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u/nutmeg32280 Sep 25 '22

Her room with all the extra heads was so scary when I was little

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u/Introvertedotter Sep 25 '22

Running down the hallway with all the heads screaming is the earliest nightmare I can remember having.

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u/turdpimpin Sep 25 '22

Yes!! I’m pretty sure the book wasn’t that gruesome either.

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u/Zmb7elwa Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

YES. This is my all time favourite movie. I still have the VHS tape my grandmother used to record it playing on tv for me, which I watched for the first time when I was probably 5-6 years old. I was obsessed with it how dark it was compared to the cheery colourful old school one.

It took me years to realize that the people in the asylum were the people in the OZ world.

I think the gnome kings ornament room is what gave me a slight obsession with trinkets and ornaments. 😂

I also had a rooster who was named Billina. He was a good boi.

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u/SGTree Sep 25 '22

I like green things. My trinket and ornament collection is very green...

I have hyperfixated on Wicked in the past. Enough to consider getting a tattoo.

I really wonder how much this movie has really affected me.

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u/Zmb7elwa Sep 25 '22

Same, emerald green is probably my favourite green because of OZ. 😂 I recently got this vintage green glass ring that immediately reminded me of the gem that I believe jack pumpkin head had been turned into.

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u/generic-affliction Sep 24 '22

Looks like robot diabeetus man

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u/atodaso Sep 24 '22

Robotic Wilford Brimley.

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u/laughingmood Sep 24 '22

Wilford Brimbot

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u/r_golan_trevize Sep 25 '22

R. Wilford Brimley is the preferred form by positronic humanform robots.

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u/dinoroo Sep 25 '22

Eat Quaker Oats

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u/paleo2002 Sep 25 '22

This Tik Tok won't make you eat Tide Pods. This Tik Tok isn't collecting facial recognition data for the Chinese government. This Tik Tok is entertaining for more than 30 seconds at a time.

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u/Sirnando138 Sep 24 '22

That movie fucked my head up

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u/wmass Sep 25 '22

He’s really from the Oz books. Circa 1910. This is Tik Tok, the Army of Oz.

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u/Squirrel_Master82 Sep 24 '22

I always wanted to try one of the muffins that she ate with the mountain king. They looked good.

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u/colocada Sep 24 '22

I wanted one of those apple lunch pails they plucked from the tree.

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u/Waitingforabluebox Sep 25 '22

I thought this movie was a fever dream of mine for a long time. It wasn’t until I was in my 20s did I realize it was real.

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u/gerallt87 Sep 24 '22

I’m in my 30’s and this is who I think of when I hear ‘Tick Tock’

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u/dudenson78 Sep 24 '22

The Deadly Desert

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u/theOPwhowaspromised Sep 25 '22

The lunch pail tree was nice. The rest was... maybe not what tiny me needed.

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u/ViktorSwimwell Sep 24 '22

RIGHT ON TIME! 🤩

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u/ZargothraxTheLord Sep 24 '22

I'm 25. I only read the Wizard of Oz, never saw any movies, but pretty much same

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u/Apoc73 Sep 24 '22

Wind up his action.

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u/Masiaka Sep 24 '22

The superior tiktok if you ask me.

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u/F30Guy Sep 25 '22

God that movie was creepy AF. I remember watching at school and it scared me. Especially the headless queen or whoever that was.

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u/HarlequinNight Sep 25 '22

Then I sat and thought until my thought ran down.

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u/Rynox2000 Sep 25 '22

Doooooreeeethyyyy Gaaaaaaaaaale

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u/unseeliefae_ Sep 25 '22

I can hear this comment. LOL! 😂

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u/JerryButtcrust Sep 25 '22

My sister and I say this to each other all the time haha

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u/TinyRandomLady Sep 25 '22

I still want a lunch pail from the tree!

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u/superokgo Sep 25 '22

I remember thinking the lunch pail tree was the coolest thing ever when I was a kid.

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u/ShadowCaster0476 Sep 25 '22

That movie was nightmare fuel when I was a kid.

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u/knitbitch007 Sep 24 '22

No no no no this is not a memory I need to dredge up. Fuck those wheelers and the multi headed witch. This movie was so fucked up. I think I saw it when I was like 7.

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u/aurorasummers Sep 24 '22

God damned Wheelers!

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u/Rhianna83 Sep 24 '22

Return to Oz is THE best! The heads, the Wheelers. The movie scared me, but I loved every minute of it.

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u/gutsonmynuts Sep 24 '22

This movie gave me nightmares when I was 5-6. Lol

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u/No-Mark6423 Sep 25 '22

I’ve been waiting for the remake to this for my whole life

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u/Aidandrums Sep 25 '22

Everyone talks about how scary the movie was but I watched it over and over again as a kid. I recently rewatched it and while I now have context for the period it's set, nothing was profoundly creepy/ awakened any trauma.

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u/IAmSobble Sep 25 '22

omg return to oz.. gave me like 20,000 nightmares when i was younger ! might get my girlfriend to watch it with me ngl 🫢

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u/Minnewildsota Sep 25 '22

That movie was so fucked up

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u/marysunshine Sep 25 '22

Great movie. The scene where the witch chooses her head scarred me for life.

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u/barmanfred Sep 25 '22

I'm nearly 60. The books (there are a lot) are fantastic.

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u/NotEvsClone81 Sep 25 '22

Got in trouble on a field trip to Disney World while we were touring the Jim Henson workshop, they had a section just full of puppets and I shout "Holy Shit, it's Tick Tock!" when I caught sight of him

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u/AngryBagOfDeath Sep 25 '22

Every time I am at a yard sale and see a jade trinket I am reminded of this movie.

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u/atomicsnarl Sep 25 '22

For those who haven't see the movie, Tik Toc was a copper robot powered by spring clockwork. In one part of the story, you learn he has three spring mechanisms: a Mover, a Talker, and a Thinker. And, he needs to be wound occasionally. At one point, his Thinker wound down, so he starts giving gibberish advice. Hilarity ensues!

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u/FocusFlukeGyro Sep 25 '22

Such a cool character!

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u/sunshine23000 Sep 25 '22

Emotional damage from this movie for sure

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u/HotDogPerson Sep 25 '22

When I met my husband’s father many years ago one of the first things I thought was, he looks like Tick Tock. I’ve always loved that movie. But the Wheelers terrified me. And those heads in displays!

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u/StellaofEvergreen Sep 25 '22

Why does he remind me of Jamie from Mythbusters?

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u/shadowlarx Sep 25 '22

It’s the stache.

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u/birthdayofwings Sep 25 '22

Hell yes it is

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u/psyoper22mz Sep 25 '22

That is pretty cool.

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u/jkwolly Sep 25 '22

I gotta watch this movie now.

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u/GeeTeeUK Sep 25 '22

That is one holy messed up film (in the best way).

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u/chickenthebest Sep 24 '22

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA * COCKING SHOTGUN *

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u/gsxrjason Sep 24 '22

36 not sure wtf this is.

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u/dragonspirit77 Sep 24 '22

I tried to read all of the Oz books but they got too nonsensical for me in the last 3 or so. I found the first few good though.

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u/ChaoticGoodTath Sep 24 '22

RETURN TO OZZZZZ

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u/BitterDinosaur Sep 24 '22

It’s on Disney+ if people weren’t aware…

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u/Ifureadthisyoulldie Sep 24 '22

Naw. AOL chat rooms are….. but I get it.

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u/mynameisipswitch Sep 24 '22

And Fairuza Balk a decade before The Craft!

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u/algonagirl Sep 24 '22

Terrific movie!

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u/bigaussie21 Sep 25 '22

I still have the movie on DVD somewhere. I haven't seen it in a while though.

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u/foxontherox Sep 25 '22

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/supersnozberries Sep 25 '22

Probably one of my favorites as a kid!! So creepy, yet entertaining!

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u/zilla3000 Sep 25 '22

Remember Mombi's head collection? shudders

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u/longoverdue83 Sep 25 '22

Yes! Wheelers and the head woman

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

ok

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u/Dark_Reaper115 Sep 25 '22

It does have meme potential

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u/korkidog Sep 25 '22

I remember critics not being kind to Return to Oz, but I think it’s great. I break out my DVD and watch it every now and then.

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u/SneakyLocke Sep 25 '22

That movie scared me quite a bit as a kid. That thunderstorm

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u/Rumrabbitrum Sep 25 '22

I loved it. Creepiness added to it all. Good stuff.

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u/Belyal Sep 25 '22

I love this movie and how dark it was. Also after seeing it when it released on VHS I wanted to be a wheeler lol!

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u/iborobotosis23 Sep 25 '22

I'm 37 and what is this?

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u/Beautybabe09 Sep 25 '22

That’s one of my favorite movies of all time!!! 😍

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u/squeakyc Sep 25 '22

I took my kids to see that movie. I'm sure they were scared by the lobotomy scene!

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u/GhostBuster1919 Sep 25 '22

When I first saw this movie, I did not speak english, I had no idea what was going on, I just knew that it creeped me out and scared/scarred me. I haven't thought about this creepy dude in 35 years plus. Would I watch again......no......maybe. A ton of movies that freaked me out as a kid, I ended up loving, did this movie have the sandwich trees?

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u/atodaso Sep 25 '22

yes it did! A lunch pail tree with a ham sandwich in it.

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u/GhostBuster1919 Sep 25 '22

Well I guess that's another memory unlocked lol.

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u/delf0s Sep 25 '22

41 year old here… absolutely love that film

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u/FartHarder12 Sep 25 '22

This made me smile

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u/evmeowmeow Sep 25 '22

This was a great book.

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u/papastrello Sep 25 '22

Jamie Hyneman?

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u/gemw2101 Sep 25 '22

I loved this movie and drove my mum crackers having it on all the time.

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u/SquirtDiarrheaOnMe Sep 25 '22

This and Killer Clowns from Outer Space were my favorite movies when I was a kid.

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u/Wardog_E Sep 25 '22

I still have to regularly go check this movie is real.

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u/PaxMan0412 Sep 25 '22

I love return to oz!

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u/flipou83 Sep 25 '22

What movie was that in? 🥺🤔 I'm too young to remember it but that thing I sure do remember 💀

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u/angreejohn Sep 25 '22

The part with the lady with multiple heads, when Dorthy wakes her up, I always had to hide behind the couch at that part!

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u/Warrior_king99 Sep 25 '22

I've seen the film when I was a kid but for the life of me can't remember the name

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u/shadowlarx Sep 25 '22

Return to Oz.

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u/Warrior_king99 Sep 25 '22

Thank you, it was frustrating me so I googled the wheelers and then it all came flooding back lol, trying to convince my own kids to watch it now 😂

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u/AD_Skinner_no_shirt Sep 25 '22

My Mother had to explain electric shock therapy to me after seeing Dorothy get zapped for talking about Oz. Also, I remember the movie came with a key like the one she found in the chicken coop.

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u/zephyr-zoo Sep 25 '22

Hell yeah. That movie is dope. I showed my daughters the other month and they loved it. They can’t stop thinking about the wheelers 😱

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u/Breezetwists1988 Sep 25 '22

The movie still terrifies me...

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u/HappyGuy007 Sep 25 '22

Grew up in the 80s how did I miss this?

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u/Blitzed_ca Sep 25 '22

That movie was terrifying from start to finish! Those roller guys are things from nightmares

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u/RachelPalmer79 Sep 25 '22

Saw it in the theater when I was about 6 or 7. LOVED IT THEN, LOVE IT STILL.

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u/alisonwndrlnd29 Sep 25 '22

So happy I’ve trained my 13yo to know who that was at a young age. Agree, watching it as an adult—there are quite a few things creepy about that movie.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Oh man oh man. Yup.

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u/PMyoornudess Sep 25 '22

Way fucking cooler I think