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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/MaximumEffort433 Sep 22 '22 Helpful

"I mean Putin's already instituted a 'rifle for every protestor' policy, he's even helping you guys along!"

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u/boone_888 Sep 23 '22

Arsenal of Freedom, baby

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u/sm12511 Sep 23 '22

bald eagle screech in the distance

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u/-1KingKRool- Sep 23 '22

Redtail hawk screech in the distance

Eagles sound more like turkeys.

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u/TheElderFish Sep 23 '22

It's absolutely hilarious that the bald eagle is the symbol of freedom but has the most pathetic bird call

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u/boone_888 Sep 23 '22

Eh, the bark matters less than the bite

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u/Sudowudoo2 Sep 23 '22

Those talons are no joke.

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u/Sunfirexl Sep 23 '22

Putin had the biggest bark... see how that bite compares to the bark?

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u/BlueKante Sep 23 '22

Fits perfectly!

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u/NachoLatte Sep 23 '22

Tobias?

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u/Kosh27 Sep 23 '22

<Animorphs Air force at your service>

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u/LeavesCat Sep 23 '22

A seagull on helium would be more accurate.

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u/musical_shares Sep 23 '22

"For my own part I wish the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country. He is a bird of bad moral character. He does not get his living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the labour of the fishing hawk; and when that diligent bird has at length taken a fish, and is bearing it to his nest for the support of his mate and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him, and takes it from him. . . . the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of America."

-Ben Franklin, 1784

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u/Fernando_357 Sep 23 '22

gobble gobble gobble

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u/-1KingKRool- Sep 23 '22

Guess I should have been more specific about which turkey sound they most closely resmemble, lol.

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u/loveispenguins Sep 23 '22

US should just make the turkey their national bird then.

About the turkey, [Benjamin] Franklin wrote that in comparison to the bald eagle, the turkey is “a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America...He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage.”

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u/showmeyourkitteeez Sep 23 '22

It might make Thanksgiving awkward

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u/loveispenguins Sep 23 '22

It’s already awkward for most families.

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u/showmeyourkitteeez Sep 23 '22

Good point. We might as well make it more awkward. I'll buy more wine and I'll be fine.

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u/Electrical-Can-7982 Sep 23 '22

i didnt realize how big a bald eagle is until I saw a photo of a natl park ranger transporting one thru airport security.

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u/Bobby_Bouch Sep 23 '22

Those are the immigrant eagles

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u/grenade25 Sep 23 '22

Well we Americans are great at gobbling so that tracks.

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u/RedditExperiment626 Sep 23 '22

Eagly, is that you?

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u/nobb132 Sep 23 '22

It’s not even an bald eagle scream you hear that’s associated with it … it’s a red tailed hawk.

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u/Tokenserious23 Sep 23 '22

Rock flag and eagle

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u/Tobias_Atwood Sep 23 '22

Bro Force theme song plays in the background

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u/Spidey209 Sep 23 '22

Peace through superior firepower.

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u/ATL_Dirty_Birds Sep 23 '22

Si vis pachem, para bellum!

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u/TheCronesCauldron Sep 23 '22

I liked Point Break too! I think Putin's next line ought to be "I'm gonna jump or jerk off!"

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u/Spidey209 Sep 24 '22

I hate Point Break now. If Lori Perry was my girlfriend and some dickwad threatened her life you can bet he is going to rot in jail, not go out in a blaze of glory. Garry Busey is about to catch the gang that has made him a laughing stock for the last three years, decides to jeopardize the whole operation for a meatball sandwich. RHCP busted for drugs? The whole thing is unbelievable.

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u/TheCronesCauldron Sep 24 '22

Lol I hear you! The action is definitely better than the spoken word in that movie! :)

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u/boone_888 Sep 23 '22

Amen, brother

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u/BleaKrytE Sep 23 '22

Pax Americana or whatever it's called

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u/1TXOILMAN Sep 23 '22

*spits tobacco

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u/notyou16 Sep 23 '22

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u/boone_888 Sep 23 '22

It stopped communism. Wouldn't want another "Great Leap Forward" starving a couple more million

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u/notyou16 Sep 23 '22

They promoted concentration camps in South America

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u/boone_888 Sep 23 '22

We got a little sloppy and fucked up a bit on the way back then.

Anything else from the past 100 years you think will help your point? I mean 150 years ago we were handing smallpox blankets

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u/godel32 Sep 23 '22

Until the GOP take power. My prediction is that a Republican President will declare Ukraine an enemy of the US, pull out of NATO and align itself with China/India instead of Europe.

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u/TheKnightOfCydonia Sep 23 '22

Just nice to see the reason we don’t have free healthcare helping someone for once lmao

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u/avwitcher Sep 23 '22

Not having universal healthcare doesn't have anything to do with money, the US government spends more money per capita on healthcare than any other country. The reason we don't have universal healthcare is because of the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry pouring hundreds of millions into politician's pockets to keep the status quo.

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u/Spidey209 Sep 23 '22

We know. It's funnier when the other guy tells it.

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u/HermanCainsGhost Sep 23 '22

Not only this, but we also pay more in just health taxes than other countries.

US pays 2.9% for Medicare alone, healthcare after 65.

Australia pays 2% for their version of Medicare (same name), universal healthcare for life, no deductibles

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u/TheKnightOfCydonia Sep 23 '22

I’m a doctor, I’m well aware of how inefficient the system is lol. It’s a joke

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u/light_trick Sep 23 '22

This really has to be stressed: the US is staggeringly, mind-blowingly wealthy. If you think you comprehend how much wealth it has at its command then you're still wrong. There is more then enough money for the out-of-control military spending and to have universal healthcare, which would work out cheaper in the long run then the current system.

The idea that's it's a zero-sum game is the lie told by the corrupt to cover their greed.

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u/Celestial8Mumps Sep 23 '22

Its the rich and powerful, just like it ever was.

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u/restrictednumber Sep 23 '22

Nice to see it used to defend a democracy on its own turf against an enemy who actually does need to be defeated. I mean seriously fuck the US military-industrial complex and the spiralling pseudo-wars that throw away our kids' lives, but right now it's good to finally see something worthwhile done with it.

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u/biotech76 Sep 23 '22

Our war machine cannot be matched. Period. It sways worlds...

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u/dskids2212 Sep 23 '22

We don't even have our own soldiers in Ukraine and Russia is leaning why we don't have universal health care.

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u/maddsskills Sep 23 '22

A broken clock, ya know?

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u/babicottontail Sep 23 '22

A broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Sep 23 '22

If you can buy anything in this country, it's guns, ammo, and cheeseburgers.

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u/48911150 Sep 23 '22

exactly why the US could just swing their dicks around in Iraq and Afghanistan and no one dared to do a thing against it. You were even branded an enemy if you didnt support those war crimes . yikes

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u/Mrozek33 Sep 23 '22

Would be very interesting to see how much money did the US military industrial complex gained from this conflict, maybe in 2-3 years when the effect of HIMARS system sales become visible

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u/Newtothiz Sep 23 '22

Chad capitalist moment. Destabilising nations, stealing their natural resources and killing innocents is enjoyable because this one time Reddit Man say it's good.

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u/Twink4Jesus Sep 23 '22

In the words of Mariah Carey, "sweet sweet fantasy baby, when I close my eyes you come and you take me on and on and on"

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u/Flomo420 Sep 23 '22

in the words of Freddy Mercury, "All we hear is radio ga ga. Radio goo goo. Radio ga ga."

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u/name_cool4897 Sep 23 '22

In the words of General Patton, "so there I was, barbecue sauce on my titties".

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u/sm12511 Sep 23 '22

In the words of Sol, "it's a fucking anti-aircraft gun, Vincent!"

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u/LaredoTechsAdmin Sep 23 '22

In the words of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, "What is this Mickey Mouse shit?"

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u/smartello Sep 23 '22

Mikhail is welcome to Russia where he may lead by example

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

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u/MoodooScavenger Sep 23 '22

Taaaaalk to me….. Which store or business?

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u/MoodooScavenger Sep 25 '22

I was calling out the guy. Downvotes hurt.

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u/3_14-r8 Sep 23 '22

I think you will find ukranians are already leading by example.

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u/smartello Sep 23 '22

What example do they set?

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u/3_14-r8 Sep 23 '22

Well they ousted their own corrupt government in 2014, not to mention the whole fighting back against a nation thats reducing their cities to rubble.

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u/smartello Sep 23 '22

Not every country is the same, the government that they ousted in 2014 was nothing in compare with what Russia has. Not to mention their biggest win in the war so far is that they didn’t collapse.

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u/youwantitwhen Sep 23 '22

Their biggest win is that they demilitarized Russia.

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u/SuicidalTorrent Sep 23 '22

Ukraine hasn't been fighting the entirely of Russian defence forces. That said, with world war 2 weaponry and tactics, I'm not sure if it will make much of a difference.

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u/Dumptruck_Johnson Sep 23 '22

The one where you’re a sovereign country and do everything within your power to resist a foreign invasion force. Including accepting assistance from other sovereign countries willing to provide aid.

Not sure if you were looking for a specific response or just didn’t understand the situation. How do you see this situation?

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u/smartello Sep 23 '22

I see that Khodorkovsky lost his voice in Russia the moment he left Russia. Both he and Chichvarkin are calling for action from their cozy places in London

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u/Dumptruck_Johnson Sep 23 '22

Well I mean he left in like 2013 after being released from prison on what seems like bunk charges so…

And then the cell phone guy hasn’t lived in Russia for even longer. Pre-2010.

What does it matter that rich Russian political exiles have opinions on Russia? I mean, they’re Russian, of course they care about their country.

Ngl, I didn’t know either of these guys at all. Thanks for pointing me too them. Their wiki pages were interesting reads.

That being said, if you’re trying to circle around to a point, you’re still circling.

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u/Artistic_Bit6866 Sep 23 '22

And what. you think he should go rot in a Russian jail just for speaking his opinion?

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u/smartello Sep 23 '22

He calls others to do this and he has no right to blame anyone for not doing it since he doesn’t do it. He was let go while people he provokes to do the same usually aren’t

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u/mtabacco31 Sep 23 '22

Or be poisoned?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS Sep 23 '22

I want to live to see the day when Putin gets his comeuppance. Sadly Putin is nothing without his enablers so they will probably slink away and come back once again to continue the cycle.

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u/dawko29 Sep 22 '22

He's seen some WW2 docs about what Soviet rifles they've used and was like "this is why they won!". Plus no Ukrainian would look at mosin and be like, heck yeah, that's the gun I'll loot.

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u/Thomasasia Sep 23 '22

Maybe as a trophy. Mosins are pretty legendary, even though the design is 100 years old

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u/Dt2_0 Sep 23 '22

Up until a few years ago they were dirt cheap here in the States. Lots of people picked up Mosins as dirt cheap deer rifles.

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u/snuff3r Sep 23 '22

Would love to pick one up but I haven't seen many around in Australia.

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u/Dt2_0 Sep 23 '22

Dumb American speaking, IIRC Aus has some extremely strict firearm laws right? I know deactivated firearms can be kept in some places with strict laws, but I was under the impression is was next to impossible to own firearms in Aus?

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u/SmallBewilderedDuck Sep 23 '22

I feel like the way our Aus gun laws are interpreted in America is that regulated = banned and that's just not how it is. As teenager I did clay target shooting for school sport. Every week they gave a bunch of dumb teenagers shotguns for an afternoon, but it was well supervised and the rules were drummed into us first. My dad has always had registered guns locked safely in a gun safe, although he did have to surrender some when that type of gun was banned. Absolutely there is strict gun regulation in Australia enforced to varying degrees depending on exactly where you live, but so there should be for anything that can kill people, just like we do for things like cars, food safety, etc.

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u/DryCourage74 Sep 23 '22

Nobody on the USA surrendering even a dam bullet

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u/snuff3r Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

I own two rifles. Pretty easy to get but there are rules, like storage inspections, etc. I can own shotguns with my current class of license (A/B)

Handguns are a pain to get, you need to basically be a sports competitor to own one and need to register and attend an insane amount of competitions each year to maintain the license. So, most people don't bother. There are f-all handgun owners in Australia afaik,

Auto and semis (rifles) are strictly prohibited.

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u/Admirable-Emu4065 Sep 23 '22

Just to add my two cents. I have one rifle simply because I'm a country bloke and was raised with guns being more freely available before the 1996 law changes. However, I couldn't even say when I used it last and may never use it again. In fact, the last few times I've used firearms since 1999/2000 they weren't even mine and I was simply out with others and took a few shots to check where my aim was at. I certainly don't need one for protection and all those other bullshit excuses. - We suffered a break in on 6th Sept 2022 (two weeks ago) and the pricks stole our 4wd by finding the keys while we slept. I'm thankful that firearms weren't part of that event at all thanks to Australian gun laws. I can also guarantee that the protection argument is mostly bullshit because the arseholes never do anything when you're ready for it. Plus, if I'd woken up and they stuck around long enough for me to unlock and load my rifle, I may be in prison for manslaughter instead of sitting on the toilet reading reddit posts.

It's still fairly easy to obtain certain firearms in Australia, but the limitations are enough to prevent most of the garbage the rest of the world associates with America, such as mass shootings.

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u/3030tank Sep 23 '22

Absolutely two cents worth.

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u/ZephkielAU Sep 23 '22

Far from. We can absolutely own guns for recreational use, hunting, collection, and defending property from wildlife, etc., what we can't do is go to an expo and purchase a bunch of assault rifles to go into a half-secured gun safe (or drawer?) that our kids can take to show and tell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia

I'd also love to own a Mosin Nagant (my favourite firearm) but for now I just use bows for everything and haven't really looked into it.

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u/dddavyyy Sep 23 '22

Nah, you just need a licence - just a couple of hoops to jump. There's restrictions on what you can own depending on your need (like if you just go to a clay target club you can only get firearms in that class, whereas a farmer that needs to cull wild pigs will need a different class, people in pistol clubs are licenced to keep pistols etc.). Old man keeps a number of WW1 and WW2 rifles and bayonets, not Russian though I doubt there is a reason he couldn't if he wanted. Not to say our laws don't have some over the top aspects and arbitrary restrictions (like do air rifles and gel blasters really need the same licence as a .22), but for the most part people here are pretty happy with the licencing requirements and heavy restrictions on semi-auto/high capacity. Tldr - nah, it's easy to get a firearm, just join a hunting club online or any other club (or get a mate with a property say you can shoot on it) and get a licence, but you're not going to get some of the sexy stuff our freedom loving American friends can get.

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u/AnnoyedOwlbear Sep 23 '22

Not a dumb question - there was a mass NRA beatup a while back about our gun laws, and they shoved it into every media outlet they could manage. I watched it from afar with bewilderment. As a result of its success, I keep hearing we can't have firearms from US folks.

'You can't own firearms in Australia' is gun nut propaganda. You absolutely can. But there is regulation, storage, and purpose to consider, and we are WELL aware our completed suicide attempt rate dropped heavily when the laws on assault rifles came into place.

TLDR: We can have guns. Easily. There's multiple shooting ranges in the city I live in.

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u/Tipsy-Canoe Sep 23 '22

I picked one up here in the states, it had come straight from Moscow apparently. Bayonet, sling, ammo pouches, and oil canisters all for $180.

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u/snuff3r Sep 23 '22

Holy crap. I just googled and prices vary vastly depending on condition.. but you're looking at AUD600-2000 here, rifle only.

There's a fucking sweeeet looking Lithgow MkIII I just found but $2500.. eek.

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u/TheCornerator Sep 23 '22

Yep, got mine for $100. Shot it so much the first day the finish started to melt off.

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u/SeriousGoofball Sep 23 '22

That was the cosmoline melting out of the parts.

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u/rabbitaim Sep 23 '22

A buddy of mine bought the ammo for his and it was a nightmare to open. They give you a little key rod that you’re supposed to unroll / peel off the container lid. If anything snapped off early you had to have a tool to remove it without cutting yourself. I think he ended up getting snips to cut it off.

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u/InspectorEE Sep 23 '22

Did the same. They didn’t even give me the key so I used a hammer and chisel.

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u/Mornar Sep 23 '22

Is it just me or does anyone else feel very uneasy about the idea of applying a hammer and chisel to a container of ammo?

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u/GardenOfSilver Sep 23 '22

Sound like its stored safe and sound in a sealed container, easily out of emediate reach and access. Super safe!

But, uh... yeah, mabe thats not how it should be opened, yeah.

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u/InspectorEE Oct 05 '22

Yeah no definitely was not my finest moment haha

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u/Electrical-Can-7982 Sep 23 '22

sounds like that canned corned beef can from libby's

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u/Monteze Sep 23 '22

That's some excess cosmoline that didn't get cleaned right?

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u/edgeofsanity76 Sep 23 '22

What is cosmoline?

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u/NGTTwo Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

A kind of oil used to protect metal parts from corrosion while in storage. It's very commonly applied to firearms, which otherwise have a nasty habit of having their moving parts rust together.

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u/edgeofsanity76 Sep 23 '22

I see. Thanks.

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u/AccountNo2720 Sep 23 '22

Was your shoulder still intact?..

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u/TheCornerator Sep 23 '22

Folded towel helped me a little, and 20-25 rounds fired as fast as you can go will heat it up pretty fast. Also bring a friend

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u/InspectorEE Sep 23 '22

Got mine for $150 from a Big 5 in 2011

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u/wordholes Sep 23 '22

There will be plenty new dirt cheap Mosins soon enough. Just check Ukranian eBay.

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u/ThievingOwl Sep 23 '22

Good ol’ garbage rod. Never let’s you down.

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u/supershinythings Sep 23 '22

My Dad collected some after watching the movie “Enemy At The Gate”, and even put a sniper scope on one.

“Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills.”

— Gunny Hartman, Full Metal Jacket

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u/LumberjackJack Sep 23 '22

What round does it fire?

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u/Dt2_0 Sep 23 '22

7.62x54R for most of them. Some in the US have been rebored to .308 (7.62x51 NATO) or other common American calibers.

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u/Ayelmar Sep 23 '22

I was shopping for the best deal (~$100) and waiting for my next paycheck in 2014 -- then the Russians invaded Crimea, and suddenly prices tripled or quadrupled -- IF they were for sale at all...

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u/dawko29 Sep 23 '22

It was my #2 weapon in cod1-2 after M1 garand....so sure, I'd love to own one.....maybe in 10 years I will venture to Ukraine s forests to dig one out

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

Mosins are pretty cheap. You could probably get a whole crate of them in cosmoline for like $800

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u/dawko29 Sep 23 '22

Hmm, that or Rtx 4070.....tough choice

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u/Thomasasia Sep 23 '22

Thank goodness! The cod expert comes out of the woods to show us the ropes! ;)

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u/GanderGarden Sep 23 '22

How many Russian soldiers do you think will feel that way when they get sprayed down by 50. Cals and AKs

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u/Thomasasia Sep 23 '22

Very few, but their corpses will look awesome holding a mosin

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u/RippleAffected Sep 23 '22

The Mosins Russians are using may be old stock though. They may have been smothered in cosmoline and stored in bags. Could be damn near brand new.

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u/I_Dont_Work_Here_Lad Sep 23 '22

They make great hunting rifles! I have one I bought for $70 back in 2010.

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u/Thomasasia Sep 23 '22

That's honestly kind of amazing. Was it made in the states, or is it a surplus from another country?

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u/I_Dont_Work_Here_Lad Sep 23 '22

Surplus from the Soviet Union. They used to sell them by the crate because they were digging up so many. Some of them even came with the bayonets if I remember correctly.

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u/HMartDefense Sep 23 '22

Legendary… well it’s old and it’s ubiquitous. But it’s also a piece of shit. People like it in the US because it was cheap.

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u/Thomasasia Sep 23 '22

Well that's the way it goes. It's legendary status hails mostly from it's place in history due to mass production.

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u/lolpostslol Sep 23 '22

Yeah I’d loot a Mosin just for the coolness factor. Probably die right after but die in style

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u/CreideikiVAX Sep 23 '22

Plus no Ukrainian would look at mosin and be like, heck yeah, that's the gun I'll loot.

Hey, WWII bolt-action rifles are cool. Especially if they're in good condi— never mind.

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u/Boxy310 Sep 23 '22

Mosin-Nagants are typically Tsarist military surplus. They were already antiques in WW2, and they're still being dug up from barrels full of Cosmoline.

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u/bingbangbango Sep 23 '22

They are fun as hell to shoot in a non-combat totally just chilling with friends setting

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u/Boxy310 Sep 23 '22

Oh, agreed. In modern combat though I would want something I could shoot more than 10 times without my shoulder turning to jelly, though.

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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone Sep 23 '22

they have that reputation but the limited time i spent with one i was surprised it was very easy to shoot. probably helps that it's heavy. i thought the trigger was surprisingly crisp too.. wonder if someone had modded it.

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u/ses1989 Sep 23 '22

Sounds like you have the full size. I have a full size and carbine, and that carbine will rip your fucking shoulder off worse than hot loaded buckshot, and a muzzle blast to match. Trigger has a long travel time, but it breaks very clean once you get it down. Only issue is how hard they are to cycle unless you maybe had the curved bolt.

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u/GeneralJawbreaker Sep 23 '22

My 91/30 cycles like a dream with brass, but the moment I feed it steel i need a damn mallet to get the bolt open.

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u/ses1989 Sep 23 '22

Maybe that's the problem. I've never run anything other than steel out of it.

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u/gnat_outta_hell Sep 23 '22

The curved bolt was a sniper configuration. If you were running the gun as intended, you would have a small scope in the way making it harder to cycle anyways.

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u/itchynipz Sep 23 '22

Same with G-98’s vs G-98K’s. Oof. Much better in the shoulder then the Mosin’s, but even so I’d much rather shoot the long version. The Germans went to war with a hunting rifle(Mauser). The Americans brought a target rifle (Springfield ’03). The Brit’s brought a rifle for war (Lee-Enfield). The Russians…brought something altogether different.

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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone Sep 23 '22

Yeah haven’t tried a carbine. Sounds fun!

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u/Stinkyclamjuice15 Sep 23 '22

The carbine kicks bad lol

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u/149Murphy Sep 23 '22

I had the same experience. I suppose I was fairly warned, and I have a lot of experience with different weapons so I was expecting a mule kick. It was not so bad.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

I learned to shoot rifles on one of those when I was a child. Pretty damn accurate, wasn’t too bad on the shoulder, put a scope on it and hit things pretty damn far away and groupings were good.

Though since then I’ve shot a lot more high power rounds and more expensive rifles…still has a place in my heart and I look forward to teaching my son with the same rifle when it becomes more age appropriate.

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u/Collins_Michael Sep 23 '22

The battle rifle is decent to handle, but the carbine configuration pulped me.

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u/hamburders Sep 23 '22

By chance are you a bigger person? I’m 6’3” 220lbs and can throw 100 12ga slugs down range and only feel a tingle in my shoulder at that point. The mosin I have fired felt pretty similar to my .270win which has a decent kick, I just absorb it better than my friends.

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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone Sep 23 '22

Not as big as you, but I felt like a 12 gauge with slugs kicks far worse.

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u/hamburders Sep 23 '22

I suppose it does. The bolt action I think kinda forces a reset on my shoulder more than pump-action or semi, but that’s probably a me issue.

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u/R_M_R_0 Sep 23 '22

everyone here is making the BOLD assumption these hundred+ year old rifles have been serviced since they entered service

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u/GeneralJawbreaker Sep 23 '22

They're stored in cosmoline, so if they were in good shape before going into storage, they're in good shape now. My garbage rod just needed a deep clean to get rid of the cosmoline and can practically hit a quarter at 100 yards. They're definitely not what I'd want in a modern war, but they aren't gonna blow up in your face or have the spread of a shotgun just because they're old

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u/drunkenknight9 Sep 23 '22

The kick is nowhere near as bad as a lot of other bolt action rifles from the time. I have plenty of issues with the Mosin but recoil is not one of them. The carbine sized ones on the other hand...

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u/MadWhiskeyGrin Sep 23 '22

Sometimes you just really need to put a fist sized hole in someone while setting their clothes on fire

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u/MightyPenguin Sep 23 '22

They are heavy guns honestly(more weight means less harsh recoil as the extra mass absorbs it), they dont hurt your shoulder at all. I can fire one for 100 rounds straight and doesnt make my shoulder sore. putting a scope on one would make it a decent long range weapon and they still could be effective.

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u/colewrus Sep 23 '22

A lot of people scoff when I tell then I have a mosin but it's fun to shoot and the ammo was usually in stock through the pandemic. I havent looked since the war so that may not be true anymore

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u/PoetryUpInThisBitch Sep 23 '22

They're fun to shoot, cheap, and accurate.

I was a broke grad student and got invited to go deer hunting with a friend. I reasoned that the Mosin was close enough to a .30-06 to be used for deer, so I found some soft-point ammunition for it, bought one for $70, cleaned it, checked the headspace, and brought it hunting.

Got some good laughs from the guys I was with when I showed up with it.

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u/HermanCainsGhost Sep 23 '22

I suspect in combat they are distinctly less fun as hell to shoot

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u/3PhaseDelta Sep 23 '22

Not to mention they are tough motherfuckers. You could literally throw the thing into a puddle of mud and it'll still fire.

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u/rafikiknowsdeway1 Sep 23 '22

I've heard this a lot. But what makes a gun more fun to shoot than another?

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u/JackPoe Sep 23 '22

Yeah I don't like guns very much but I've always wanted to fire a Mosin Nagant.

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u/Cirias Sep 23 '22

Spot the American 😆

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u/betterwithsambal Sep 23 '22

You just described every single firearm conceived by man. Even a blunderbuss is fun to shoot.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

I wish I'd picked some up back when you could get them for $50 a piece in the US.

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u/Abnormal-Normal Sep 23 '22

Wish I got my hands on one 10 years ago when they where like 100 bucks a pop. You and 9 friends could by a pallet of em for like 900 and each get a working bolt gun

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u/KmartQuality Sep 23 '22

"no definition found"
What is cosmoline?

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u/Boxy310 Sep 23 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmoline

It was used by the Tsarist Russian military to store their military surplus weapons, especially the Mosin-Nagant. You fill a barrel with Cosmoline then stuff a bunch of Mosin-Nagants in there, then bury the barrel in the ground so it's not exposed to air. They're still digging up barrels of these, even 130 years after the fact, and the Mosin-Nagants are still in pretty operational condition.

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u/NhlBeerWeed Sep 23 '22

It's like this oil/jelly stuff that the Russians store weapons in to keep it from rusting

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u/subarubob Sep 23 '22

Most of the surplus rifles found in the US are marked from Ishevsk 1940-1945 when I've looked through recently opened crates at gun stores. Tula's are relatively rare (sort of) and pre-1936 rifles with the hex receiver are kinda rare too.

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u/dragonwithagirltatoo Sep 23 '22

Yeah I have a 91/30 from 43. I was kindof under the impression that was pretty common. I mean it was like $150.

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u/HermanCainsGhost Sep 23 '22

Keep going at this rate and maybe they'll need to use arms from the time of Catherine the Great.

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u/otterlyonerus Sep 23 '22

The two main models in circulation are the 91/30, invented in 1891 and updated in 1930, and the M44 carbine, which began circulation in 1944. Both were still in production as late as 1973 according to Wikipedia.

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u/Number6isNo1 Sep 23 '22

Nah, most Mosins are not Tsarist surplus. Many, many Mosin-Nagants were manufactured during WWII. Some even after, including a 1946 Mosin-Nagant M44 (aka a Model 1944) that I own. Most, but obviously not all, of the surplus MNs that were sold in the US in the past 15 years were M91/30s of 1940s manufacture. Even the model number tells you these were not Tsarist surplus: Model 1891/1930 revision aka M91/30. As much as I hate to use an NRA publication for a cite, they do know firearms: https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/a-look-back-at-the-mosin-nagant-91-30/

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

Literally the first thing I thought was “holy shit the resell value” had to remember where I was for a minute

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u/GuyDarras Sep 23 '22

Ukrainian picks up a Mosin

Let's see... cracked bolt handle, broken firing pin, worn barrel, weak magazine spring, cracked stock, bent front sight...

Yep, pretty much a standard Mosin-Nagant.

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u/CreideikiVAX Sep 24 '22

It was just fine! Before the HIMARS said hello.

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u/Spidey209 Sep 23 '22

Never fired. Dropped once.

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u/AdZealousideal7448 Sep 23 '22

i've been a firearms trainer for over 10 years.

Mosin's are like katana's, the legend really hurts them.

There are tons of them around everyone assumes they're this magical weapon that can do things it can't, survive in ways it can't (mainly due to how many there are around) that anyone can use it effectively with little training.

They're great weapons within the scope they were intended for, but like a katana people get upset when you point out that a lot of what you see just doesn't reflect the reality of them.

It's like saying hey i'm being deployed in canada, the legendary s&r rifle their specialists use is a ruger m77, so it must be epic, but the reality is, it was the cheapest deer rifle that met the specifications of what they needed.

It's why Australian's in the know were able to buy them up cheap under a commonwealth arms agreement because fanboys were busy chasing other stuff (and our archaic laws).

We now have fanboys here who will defend these against the mosin fanboys because even though the ruger is 3+1 internal load, the mosin is 5 load with stripper clips, it won't ever jam or fail to feed like your rusky stuff!

You then hear the mosin fanboys go on about it being the rifle that one world war II and how it could still fire after being packed in mud and rusting, right after telling you it can't ever rust due to being over engineered.

End of the day if it's what you've got, you use it, but I can tell you right now if anyone deployed in Ukraine had the option between an old mosin or a modern piece of "tupperware" (seriously the yanks with this concept that anything plastic is bad), if you've got access to modern arms, you are literally talking about generation advancements.

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u/PHATsakk43 Sep 23 '22

It’s not modern, but it’s damn reliable.

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u/Sensitive_Ladder2235 Sep 23 '22

The only gun made by russia thats worth looting is the AK. Thing is nearly indestructible and unjammable. No matter how bad it looks theres a 90% chance it still fires in the generally correct direction.

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u/supershinythings Sep 23 '22

My father collected several because he became enamored of the one in the movie “Enemy At The Gate”, a battle between two opposing snipers in WWII. He even equipped one with a sniper scope. It doesn’t matter how old a weapon is, if the person wielding it is properly trained and willing to use it.

I doubt the Russians who are “lucky” enough to get one of those relics will be either though.

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u/McFlyParadox Sep 22 '22

I feel like I've seen this once before in Russian history...

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u/NoHedgehog252 Sep 22 '22

Even if history does not repeat, it tends to rhyme.

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u/Omega-pod Sep 23 '22

Nice-I’m sure that’s probably an established saying, but I like it 👍

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u/Csantiago82 Sep 23 '22

Every time it repeats, the price is higher

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u/wookiee_borg Sep 23 '22

I’ll be stunned if any of those protesters get more than one bullet each. That decree had dissent purge written all over it.

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u/TheMineosaur Sep 23 '22

Pretty bold of you to assume they'll be armed with more than a pointy stick.