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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/EpicGuard Sep 22 '22

Has there ever been a forced conscription without protest?

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Probably the first one because people didn't know what was happening.

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u/clintCamp Sep 22 '22

My distant ancestor was conscripted by a local lord to try and take out the British monarchy. They lost, the Lord was executed and we got banished to the American colonies.

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u/OppositeYouth Sep 22 '22

Sucks, they could have at least sent you to Australia

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u/clintCamp Sep 22 '22

I went to Jamaica once and met a whole bunch of Jamaicans with my same last name. I have to assume that great great uncle wasn't so great and had a plantation long ago. That is where he got banished to.

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u/cogra23 Sep 22 '22

Not necessarily, Irish names in Jamaica existed because there were Irish indentured servers there for example.

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u/dangerislander Sep 23 '22

And a lot of the Irish actually taught the African slaves how to speak english. Hence why they say Jamaican accent is heavily influenced by Irish.

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u/Pihkal1987 Sep 23 '22

Not necessarily but definitely not even remotely out of the question. This was pretty common practice for freed slaves (to take the plantation owners last name because they didn’t know their own.)

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u/gimpwiz Sep 23 '22

The brits sent other whites to Jamaica and other islands in the Caribbean as slaves or indentured servants. Convicts, etc. Of course, "convict" does not necessarily mean "guilty of a crime"...

Plantation owners bought them to work the plantations, obviously.

So I guess somewhat less of a banishment, and more of a ... being sold as a slave or into indenture. Banishment is milder, you get to the same place (or elsehwere) but without the chains.

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u/clintCamp Sep 23 '22

But do other slaves get your family name?

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u/gimpwiz Sep 23 '22

Ah, you know, I misread your comment. It's entirely possible you're fairly closely related to a plantation owner. Of course, it's also entirely possible that you're not, depending on how common your last name is ;)

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u/clintCamp Sep 23 '22

Campbell is a bit Scottish and only a couple of them ended up in Jamaica in the 1600s.

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u/accountno543210 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

All plantation owners weren't assholes. Some of them actually followed some semblance of decency and only made enough money to send their kids to university and sell the plantation to a merchant to launder into other corporations.

Edit: awh come on, I'm not supporting slavery guys! I'll accept my punishment, but I'm not deleting anything.

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u/Fruehdom Sep 23 '22

Slave, serf, and indentured servitude must have been had great pay and rights then correct?

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u/DuskyDay Sep 23 '22

Aren't plantation owners people who worked slaves?

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u/clintCamp Sep 23 '22

I mean, there is a chance that they paid people fairly and they got to go live their own lives off the clock, but this was Jamaica, where the island is mostly African descent now, and they mostly moved across the Atlantic in the late 1600s by one method of travel accomodations. Chains.

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u/Wide-Pen-6647 Sep 22 '22

Lol, if you’re relying on slave labour (and in the West Indies the turnover for slaves was even higher than in America because people were worked to death), you’re still an asshole imho.

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u/mikekowa Sep 23 '22

I mean, Russia has more slaves now than anyone else ever, but that's rarely talked about. Siberia is MASSIVE.

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u/JeebusChristBalls Sep 23 '22

Are you engaging in whataboutism?

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u/producerofconfusion Sep 23 '22

Oh they only owned human beings for their kids college fund that’s okay then how sweet

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u/w3bar3b3ars Sep 22 '22

This would be a funny joke if Australia wasn't absolutely dependant on America for security in the Pacific.

But yeah, America bad.

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u/FuckingKilljoy Sep 22 '22

Careful with all that salt, Americans already have a high sodium diet

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u/Robotlolz Sep 22 '22

Damn, best of all worlds. You get Medicare and America handles the security.

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u/FinndBors Sep 23 '22

America handles the security.

Against the poisonous animals?

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u/Burningrain85 Sep 22 '22

Some people call it security others call it protection money so they don’t burn your store down.

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u/w3bar3b3ars Sep 22 '22

Interesting perspective. Do you always take advantage of friends or...?

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u/mikekowa Sep 23 '22

Bro you know this comment is lame as fuck. Taking advantage of a government is literally what the government is there for, to make your life better and easier in exchange for our tax dollars and votes.

A personal friendship has far more factors and is far more intricate to make that connection.

There are no morals when dealing with government services, they should just exist for our benefit. Not the same with friends.

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u/w3bar3b3ars Sep 23 '22

Who was talking about taxes and government services?

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u/mikekowa Sep 23 '22

Governments aren't meant to be our friends. They are meant to be our servants in exchange for tax dollars.

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u/Quackagate Sep 23 '22

As an American i hate how much we spend on our military. And yes we have a bad track record. And the same time your welcome. Dictate9rs and despots around the globe have been know to shut up and step in line when a US battle group shows up on there door. Not saying were perfect or we do no wrong but lots of people forget that our ovesized military has let other countries lean on it and reduce there defense spending, or at least not increase it(well to horribly much) so that it takes up a smaller % of there nations gdp than say 50 years ago. This alloying them to raise there standered of liveing. Not saying its always the case or has always been true but it dose play a part. But ya America bad.

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u/PartTimeZombie Sep 22 '22

Security from who?

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u/JumpyButterscotch Sep 23 '22

China is right there waiting for an empty Pacific.

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u/PartTimeZombie Sep 23 '22

You're deluded if you think China is invading Australia. How would they even do that?

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u/JumpyButterscotch Sep 23 '22

Wouldn’t have to invade. Just control the seas. There’s a reason the tensions are already high in those seas. And a reason Australia and the US just signed that naval pact.

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u/PartTimeZombie Sep 23 '22

What does controlling the seas mean? China is trading nation.

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u/w3bar3b3ars Sep 23 '22

Is this a serious question? Why establish AUKUS if there are no threats? How much weight would that alliance carry without the US?

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u/vmBob Sep 22 '22

If you need to ask you won't even try to understand the answer.

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u/svullenballe Sep 22 '22

America not country

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u/Sigmars_Toes Sep 23 '22

I mean, then you're just living on an American military base.

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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Sep 23 '22

Pffft. If he made it to California or Hawaii he's golden.

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u/Spidey209 Sep 23 '22

Here tried to kill the king. Australia / NZ was for bread stealers.