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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/thetensor Sep 22 '22

"You have nothing to lose but your chains."

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u/thekoggles Sep 22 '22

And your life. If you're lucky and don't get thrown in the torture chambers.

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u/thetensor Sep 22 '22

By all accounts, Russian military training involves hazing and abuse that's tantamount to torture, after which you'll die in Ukraine.

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u/Practical_Law_7002 Sep 23 '22

By all accounts, Russian military training involves hazing and abuse that's tantamount to torture, after which you'll die in Ukraine.

Ah yes...a month of torture...I mean...training.

Real quality military Putin has there.

No wonder they get slaughtered by the hundreds daily.

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u/TheNerdWithNoName Sep 23 '22

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u/RickytyMort Sep 23 '22

This really tells you all you need to know about the condition their military is in.

Stuff like this would happen in a prison colony if you took away all their entertainment and punished them mercilessly. To get some semblence of control they would then torture somebody else.

That's the difference between a well trained career soldier and a war serf who has to go to war or his family and he get executed. There's no way you can train engineers, doctors and computer scientists in that environment. You'll only be able to recruit idiots who have no other options.

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u/AssassinAragorn Sep 23 '22

"Gee why are these demoralized and tortured and unhappy soldiers not trying?"

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u/Practical_Law_7002 Sep 23 '22

Jesus fuck...they don't train soldiers, they train serial killers.

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u/Minamo-sensei Sep 23 '22

Lol what kind of culture is this? How does that make soldiers obey their officers? If anything the first thing I look for in a war is to kill the senior officers.

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u/Funkit Sep 23 '22

Those senior guys who do the hazing are probably all dead already lol. You’ll have guys in for a year training the newbies if that

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u/DevilsTrigonometry Sep 23 '22

In the Russian conscription system, it's always the older conscripts hazing the newbies.

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u/Funkit Sep 23 '22

What I mean is there won’t be older conscripts. They’ll be trained for six months then teach for six months then sent to the front.

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u/ambulancisto Sep 23 '22

It's called "Dedovschina" or roughly the "Rule of the grandfathers". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

The Russians have made some halfhearted attempts to curb it but it's really ingrained in their military culture.

Keep in mind: the Russian army didn't even have military police until 2010. So policing their own ranks was never a high priority.

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u/zetadelta333 Sep 23 '22

Have you ever read the disdain for conscripts from regular russian soldiers, they look down on them as if they are shit. This will only bring back the commissariat in full force.

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u/SudoDarkKnight Sep 23 '22

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