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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/lyrixnchill Sep 22 '22

These protestors are going to be used basically as human shields. I highly doubt they are expected to actually do any real fighting. Just dying.

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u/amouse_buche Sep 23 '22

Yep. It’s a convenient outcome. You get to execute those who protest the regime and create the illusion you have a viable fighting force.

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u/xypher412 Sep 23 '22

Is it though? You are still spending money and resources on getting them to the front lines, something Russia seems to be short on already. And not to mention if you arm them. Even if they aren't armed there are all kinds of sabotage tactics they could do. If you're the kind of person who goes and protest the war knowing you will be arrested, if you're forced into the military, you will probably be willing to risk your life to fuck shit up from the inside.

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u/amouse_buche Sep 23 '22

You’re assuming draftees who are served orders after being arrested will ever make it to the front lines before dying in a training accident.

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u/xypher412 Sep 23 '22

Then what is the point in drafting them? You are now still paying for at least some facade of training. Clothes, bunk space, food. If they just wanted them dead, Russia clearly doesn't have any issue with people getting clumsy.

Not to mention, even if they only make it to training there are still opportunities for them to fuck shit up on the home front. Maybe not as much, but if they know they are going to be offed anyway..

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u/amouse_buche Sep 23 '22

Because you’re not blatantly executing protesters. You can’t push 10,000 dissidents out a window without being obvious about it but you can send them off to be canon fodder.

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u/xypher412 Sep 23 '22

Putin could certainly make up some bs like "any protest is treason and will be punished by death, this is all effect retroactively" and then just kill them all.

Now I'm not putin, and no military/political expert, but sending people who are obviously against you and willing to fight for it, to a place where they can cause serious problems within your military and possibly your war time logistics seems like the worsr possible option.

However it's not like Russia has exactly been choosing the smart choices lately.

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u/amouse_buche Sep 23 '22

He could, but that would look horrible internationally and he does still care about that. Putin is not going to line up 10,000 civilians against a wall and execute them unless things get way worse for him than they are, because that invites revolution.

And sure, are there risks associated with potential sabotage on the front lines? Yep. But would you rather take those folks and ship them to the front lines out of the country where they’ll likely die, or keep them close to home where they could conceivably take up arms against the regime?

Let’s also consider that forced conscription, including of prisoners, isn’t exactly a new idea and it can be done to some limited effect. It’s tough to overestimate the persuasive power of a commanding officer literally holding a gun against your head. The human survival instinct is strong when the chips are down.

So I wouldn’t say it’s the worst possible option by far.