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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

My fiance is stuck in Moscow as we cannot get her visa renewal approved. Now things are looking more hopeless than ever. She is all alone because everyone around her believes the propoganda.

She told me today she is starting to question whether there is something wrong with her because she doesn't feel the way everyone else does...I am her only real connection to the outside world, other than her VPN which she uses to see what's really going on.

I don't know what to do, I have contacted my local MP but I feel so helpless. She has fallen out with family and friends because she vehemently disagrees with the regime, but everyone around is drinking the kool aid and spew "facts" she can't refute, because she doesn't have them memorized and ready to fire off.

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u/HellonHeels33 Sep 23 '22

I’m so sorry and hope she makes it out

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

Just tell her to agree in public. It’s not worth being arrested for. Hope she stays safe.

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u/dpistachio Sep 23 '22

yeah the important thing here is staying alive and free long enough to be able to get out.

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u/ZestyPossum Sep 23 '22

Yep, that's the right way to go about things. My husband is of Russian and Ukranian background, and still has extended family over in Russia. They certainly don't agree with the war or like Putin, but they keep their mouths shut. Here are some examples of why:

His uncle was discussing his thoughts on the war (anti-war) with a colleague at lunch one day. Somehow got back to his boss, who said that if he talked about that again he would lose his job.

One of his cousin's friends was arrested at an anti-war protest. Wasn't jailed, but heavily fined. Police informed his employer, he subsequently lost his job. Can't get another one because he's "in the system" having being arrested at an anti-government protest.

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u/carpcrucible Sep 23 '22

Yes that's great, what everyone needs is more visible support for the war

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

What everyone needs is to fucking survive

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u/Stinkyclamjuice15 Sep 23 '22

It probably feels similar to living in the south right now. Just agree in public when a person (idiot) starts talking to you about how the election was stolen or how you should check out this great channel on TV called Newsmax.

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u/Promanco Sep 23 '22

and

This mentality is exactly why Russia is where is at

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Oh so you expect them to just speak out to an oppressive regime and get arrested, hurt, or killed? Good job armchair analyst, the revolution will thank you.

I don’t know what else I expect from Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

thing is most reddit comments think like that

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

People never realize the world isn’t some shitty YA novel. People get killed.

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u/MrTubek Sep 23 '22

What should they do then? Just wait, maybe Europe and US will set them free? If they want change they need to walk out and if necessary fight! People are dying in Russian regime already, how many has died in the war?

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

If you’re so ready to start the revolution why not go there and be the catalyst. It’s easier to say than do.

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u/MrTubek Sep 23 '22

Well I'm not Russian, I don't know they language neither have connections or basic knowledge of how to commute in their country. What one polish like me can do? Would you help and fund me in this noble task, and what's more important help my family after I will be caught and charged as most likely a spy? You are raising more question marks than make sense.

Edit: changed my to more

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u/FactoidFinder Sep 23 '22

I don’t know. Maybe don’t talk out of your ass trying to get innocent people killed

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u/Promanco Sep 23 '22

I expect them to do what the people of Iran is doing to a much more oppressive regime and for a much smaller infraction

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u/Glebun Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

Yes, I expect them to fight for their freedom. Do you expect Ukrainians to join the army with a high probability of getting wounded or killed? Because that's what a lot of them are doing right now.

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u/EveningPrimary Sep 23 '22

You would do the exact same thing living in the middle of a violent dictatorship. Stop being a fucking keyboard warrior judging people in that situation.

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u/sylvanasjuicymilkies Sep 23 '22

i doubt you even publicly criticize your government in whatever (presumably) first world country you live in, get over yourself

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u/Latter_Box9967 Sep 23 '22

Russians React to Partial Mobilisation

YouTube is still available in Russia. They say because there’d be a revolution if mothers didn’t have an endless feed of cartoons and such for their kids.

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u/SiarX Sep 23 '22

I dont really get why, honestly. Putin is ok with general mobilisation but not banning Youtube???

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u/fishsause Sep 23 '22

Keep trying my guy, don’t give up hope.

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u/poopiepuppy Sep 23 '22

It would probably be safer if she started faking it at this point. I’m sorry that’s a really shitty situation.

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u/wellherewegofolks Sep 23 '22

there are a lot of russian youtubers who oppose the war, although many have left russia by now.

still in russia:

  • Niki Proshin

  • INSIDE RUSSIA

left russia since the war:

  • NFKRZ

  • Natasha’s Adventures

  • Victoria Terekhina

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u/RosemaryFocaccia Sep 23 '22

Niki seems to be a bit naive about not being called up. I hope he has an emergency escape plan.

I'm glad Natasha got out when she did.

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u/PersonOfInternets Sep 23 '22

Bro you need to have her STOP disagreeing and start pretending to go with the flow. What the hell is she thinking? As MGMT once said, it's time to pretend.

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

She has been trying to go with the flow for 6 months. But inside she has a morality and belief in what is right that you can't hold in forever.

It's not like she's going round shouting it out, more like just one on one conversations with friends when they talk about how they both feel regarding the current situation.. and that's where they start just spraying the stuff they've been fed and she can't get a word in edgeways.

The frustration and helplessness I feel just from her telling me this today, but it must be so much worse for her and I can't do anything.. not even just hold her and tell her it will be okay.

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u/MrEmbers Sep 23 '22

Just let her know to be careful, not all friends are real ones and this is specially true in this trying times.

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u/PersonOfInternets Sep 23 '22

Man, even just living in Texas I've learned to pick my battles. I'm surrounded by talking parrots who don't even know how to think for themselves. I have learned not to let it affect my job or safety. You have to look out for yourself. It is a selfless act to try to educate people who will be hostile toward you, but you are putting yourself in physical danger doing that in a place like Russia 2022. I really hope she can hold it together. Meditation might help. I really hope she doesn't get herself into trouble.

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u/horsemagicians Sep 23 '22

And she is the reason why I can’t fully support the ban on Russians trying to escape. Not every Russian is a complete lunatic and moron that believes and sides with Putin. Much like not every American was a racist moron Republican storming the capital because the orange idiot said to.

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u/FlatBot Sep 23 '22

Why would you support a ban on Russians trying to escape? I mean, unless you're Vladimir Putin. He loves the ban. It keeps his Army recruits at home where he can control them.

Wouldn't any compassionate person support the ability for Russian people to flee?

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u/earlofhoundstooth Sep 23 '22

Lots of neighboring countries shut their borders to fleeing Russians today. I guess they'd rather them be conscripted than have refugees.

Germany, last I looked was welcoming, but basically the only way there is boat, as they don't share a border with Russia, and men of draft age aren't allowed to fly out.

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u/IAmWeary Sep 23 '22

If they can make it into a neighboring country by land such as Georgia or Kazakhstan then they can catch a flight elsewhere. Not sure how they'd be able to board a plane to Germany without a Schengen visa at this point, and I don't think a large number of Russians have those anymore. COVID and then the invasion of Ukraine made them pretty hard to get.

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u/piouiy Sep 23 '22

It depends where they’re going and why they’re trying to escape.

If you take a bunch of Russians, before you know it Putin might be sending his military to protect them!

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u/NoNecessary5 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Because neighbouring countries already have significant numbers of Russians living in them. They refuse to assimilate despite living there for decades and do not let go of their dangerous views. And it’s understandable that countries which are next in Putin’s grand plan of rebuilding the shitshow that was the Soviet Union do not want people who fully believe in Putin’s idea.

It would be naive to believe that a lot of the people fleeing Russia do not support the war, they just don’t want to participate themselves.

Overall, this lack of compassion can be explained by the complicated history some counties have with Russia and its people.

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u/Cidolfas Sep 23 '22

Why didn’t she flee months ago when situation was getting worse?

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

We have a current visa application that has been awaiting approval for almost 5 months when we were told 4-6 weeks. Her tourist visa is not suitable for renting or working in the UK, and ran out this July anyway.

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u/druex Sep 23 '22

How long until countries start accepting Russian refugees?

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u/_DarkClarity_ Sep 23 '22

People need the realize that the moment your government tries to completely shut you off from the outside world something is incredibly wrong with that government.

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u/Wildcat_Dunks Sep 23 '22

I'm curious, what are the reasons that the average Russian uses to support the invasion of Ukraine? I haven't heard any rationale that would even be remotely persuasive in support of the invasion.

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u/Tromort77 Sep 23 '22

Years of propaganda. They are feeding the most wild anti Ukraine theories for years. It's not about one or two valid reasons. It's about unlimited pushing of a certain ideology.

I am from Hungary and the same is happening on a much smaller scale. People are so easy to manipulate if you have all the resources. You do not need logic if you have a greater purpose. I never understand how could people follow Hitler. Now I see how dumb the mass can be.

It's fucking sad.

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u/Wildcat_Dunks Sep 23 '22

I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I find it fascinating that even people with direct knowledge of what's happening in Russia can't explain for me any reason that would result in what I would think of as an average person supporting the invasion. I guess it's just blind patriotism by Russians.

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u/Tromort77 Sep 23 '22

If you spread all kinds of lies, no one can find the truth. Then they throw everything in a hat and people can chose based on their believes.

Randomly: They are Nazis. They are killing russians citizens who live there. They leadership is the problem and a threat towards us. The Ukranian people are hostages. They started building a nuclear weapon. The US paying Ukraine to provoke us. That land belong to us. Putin must have good reasons. etc, etc. etc

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u/currantfairy Sep 23 '22

Funny thing is both supporters of war and protesters consider themselves patriots. That’s not really related to your comment, just my observation.

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u/ErinBLAMovich Sep 23 '22

the average Russian uses to support the invasion of Ukraine

This is not correct. Political scientists (Greg Yudin for example) estimate that only 15-25% of the Russian population supports the war. 20-25% oppose it, and 50-65% consider themselves apolitical and don't talk about the war at all.

Just because OP's gf is surrounded by pro-war people, that doesn't mean her anecdotal experience trumps the word of political researchers.

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u/Wildcat_Dunks Sep 23 '22

Sure thing, all those Z supporters are just actors.

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

From what I have gathered, most believe the "denazification" and have a deep rooted inferiority complex. They think everyone is looking at Russia all the time and want what they have. They don't realise that no one was even thinking about them at all, let alone jealous.

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u/Beginning_Two_4757 Sep 23 '22

She can start walking west

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u/The_scobberlotcher Sep 23 '22

Dude she needs to smile & agree with everyone! Keep her mouth shut and sparingly, selectively poke around the internet.

Shit is about to get bad in RU I feel.

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u/Anonymous5922 Sep 23 '22

Your fiancé is dumb to be in Russia in the first place.

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

GOOD TAKE REALLY HELPFUL

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u/Redpetrol Sep 23 '22

Where are you

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u/SirTaherShah Sep 23 '22

Are you the KGB?

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

Nearly got me

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

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u/Redpetrol Sep 23 '22

What's your eventual plans then?

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

We we supposed to get married this month and move in with me permenantly, but she can't work or get her name on the contract without the visa. We have been together for many years before this, it's not a "scam" so please don't start that.

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u/Brotaku_86 Sep 23 '22

Just out of curiosity, how did you guys become so close to each other when she lives in a country so cut off and far removed from the rest of the world?

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u/sanguine_sea Sep 23 '22

We met a long time ago when the world was a simpler place.

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u/Redpetrol Sep 23 '22

What's with the scam stuff? Bit paranoid. I'm just curious.

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u/El_Grande_El Sep 23 '22

Sounds like he might have heard that one before

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u/Britishbits Sep 23 '22

People do sham marriages sometimes to game visa systems. It's a pretty common thing. Person "marries" a person from another country. They combine bank accounts (totally not a payment). Foreign person is able to move to be with the other with a family visa (much easier to get). They "divorce" after the foreign person gets citizenship. The "good" version of this is where all parties are aware of the scam. The less good version is where the foreign person takes advantage of the partner and actually pretends to fall for them

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u/radicalelation Sep 23 '22

I got offered like $60k to fake marry someone many many years ago. I'm a good boy, so I laughed it off and declined, but I'm also a very poor boy so it kinda hurts.

Even though it'd get me hot showers again today I'd still have to say no.

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u/NotsoNewtoGermany Sep 23 '22

Get her out of Russia.

Here is a list of countries she can go visa free.

https://visaguide.world/visa-free-countries/russian-passport/

If you have any friends in any of these places, or if she does, ask if they can put her up. Or choose somewhere on the list that is cheap like Montenegro or Thailand.

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u/nps2407 Sep 23 '22

but everyone around is drinking the kool aid and spew "facts" she can't refute, because she doesn't have them memorized and ready to fire off.

Don't you hate when this happens? It's like a desire to be factually accurate is actually a hinderance in any debate.