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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/solarpropietor Sep 22 '22

He isn’t wrong.

Russia’s best chance of survival is to over throw the Kremlin.

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u/Boyhowdy107 Sep 23 '22

Even beyond basic survival, it's also their best shot at prosperity.

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u/cbarrister Sep 23 '22

Right, that is the sad thing. If the Kremlin and Russian gov't weren't so wildly corrupt, Russia could / could have been a prosperous nation for most of it's citizens. It has enormous mineral/energy wealth that could have been redirected into a sovereign fund for it's people like Norway or Saudi Arabia, with much higher standards of living resulting for it's people instead of wild theft, and severe suppression.

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u/Boyhowdy107 Sep 23 '22

There is no doubt that transitioning economically was always going to be a rocky ride post USSR, but the corruption definitely made it worse. But actually part of Putin's popularity in the past decade was that the economy started to grow and develop in a way that benefited middle class Russians in a global economy. Their GDP looks to have dropped by 6% this year alone, but that might be underselling it when multinational companies have pulled back investment and don't want that risk and the west is unlikely to drop all of its sanctions quickly even after a prace agreement when Ukraine is still trying to rebuild the billions and billions in damage done to it. Also, the EU is going to make major investments in energy independence both for environmental and now national security reasons, so your biggest industry will have to find new markets even in peace time and might never recover.

The only thing that could change things quickly to try to get back to pre-war prosperity for the average Russian is a serious regime change.

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u/cbarrister Sep 23 '22

Even a country like North Korea, I don't get why they cling so fucking hard to their severe absolute dictatorships? Why not implement reforms, open up the country, let investment roll in, the people love you for increasing their standard of living, and you can still live a totally baller life like the British monarchs?

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u/Boyhowdy107 Sep 23 '22

I feel like North Korea has operated like a cult for so very long that it will take a long time to bring them into the global community even after the Kim Jung dynasty falls. Russia has a lot of propoganda, but their people still have access to information from the outside world. If the average North Korean knew how shitty their standard of living was or that the Americans and South Koreans weren't out to murder them should they get a chance, there won't be a happy ending with an ornamental golden parachute like the British monarchs got.

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u/cbarrister Sep 27 '22

If the average North Korean knew how shitty their standard of living was

I think many of them do know. There is no internet, but supposedly it's very common to smuggle Western shows on usb sticks into the country that are widely exchanged. Similar to Cuba.