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Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/randombsname1 Sep 23 '22

Russia is sending lambs to the slaughter.

If the regular Russian forces couldn't do it when they still had moderately effective equipment.

These 1 million draftees aren't going to do shit with WW2-cold war era equipment lmao.

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u/Icy_700 Sep 23 '22

In the winter cold at that.

Russian bases and staging points will become unintentional death camps for the draftees because they can't hope to supply them all through the winter

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u/funnysunflow3r Sep 23 '22

Will be a major problem for Ukrainians as well

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u/TheWorclown Sep 23 '22

Aye, it will be.

The key difference is that only one side in this war has the backing of dozens of countries. It’ll be bad, but likely a welcome reprieve of sorts.

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u/godtogblandet Sep 23 '22

Scandinavia and Canada have enough winter gear to make Ukrainian soldiers look like woolly mammoths. This is our time to shine. Artic warfare baby, Norwegian bread and butter.

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u/Azeure5 Sep 23 '22

A dozen "freezing countries" ;)

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u/funnysunflow3r Sep 23 '22

Countries who have, by all accounts, the same problem with heat. I never thought to actually be in real life quoting george rr martin’s winter is coming.

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u/TheWorclown Sep 23 '22

Countries that do, yeah.

We’ll manage. These countries have had months to plan for winter, and are probably prepared to ration things out.

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u/funnysunflow3r Sep 23 '22

Exactly ration things out. Greed of men.

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u/randombsname1 Sep 23 '22

Ukrainians are playing on friendly turf on the defense though.

It will be far harder for Russia.

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u/Zebidee Sep 23 '22

It's a lot easier to deal with winter when you're fighting 500m from your aunt's house and she has the kettle on, waiting for you to pop in between firefights.

Freezing to death in a foreign field 1000 km from home is never going to be fun.

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u/SiarX Sep 23 '22

So just like nazis in Russia

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u/funnysunflow3r Sep 23 '22

Will be harder for Russia, still a reality for Ukrainians who did nothing wrong. Not that the Russians themselves did something wrong. Their leaders did.

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u/nps2407 Sep 23 '22

Far too many happily went along with it, though.

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u/shieldyboii Sep 23 '22

tvf, it’s ukraine who’s on the offensive now.

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u/Icy_700 Sep 23 '22

most definitely, just that Russia's problems will be amplified by the manpower they're trying to mobilize. If they hope to achieve any sort of effect with them, Russia needs at least six months to train them effectively, much less deploy them.

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u/Roboticide Sep 23 '22

Lol, Russia isn't going to train anybody for six months. Maybe six weeks.

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u/piouiy Sep 23 '22

ISW yesterday said that Ukraine is only utilising 55-60% of their logistics capacity. That’s kinda amazing, but apparently it’s true

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u/r3zza92 Sep 23 '22

Winter warefare will preference the defenders. Mobilising an attacking force in winter hasn’t ended well historically.

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u/LividPeon Sep 23 '22

They requested winter gear from allies like a month or two ago and iirc its already made it there, they are ready

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u/FeelTheRealBirdie Sep 23 '22

Historically speaking arent they supposed to be really good during winter times?

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u/Xx_Pr0phet_xX Sep 23 '22

Historically speaking they were usually the defenders and it was their enemies who were having the supply and logistic issues.

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u/Icy_700 Sep 23 '22

They were usually on the defensive in those historical examples you are thinking of (WW2, Napoleon, Sweden). In the case of WW2, the Soviets had the American industry backing it up with logistics in the form of lend lease supplies and tens of thousands of trucks. Something Russia does not have today, in fact Lend Lease is now on the side of Ukraine.

I would look to the Winter War as an example of just how bad Russia could be in the winter when they send in troops with inadequate supply. They outnumbered the fins 50-1 in population and still only managed a draw with them. Ukraine is a much bigger hog to swallow, Russia only outnumbers their pop 3-1 and Ukraine, unlike Finland, has the backing of the Western allies.

I also wouldn't say the Russians were really good, they just weren't as bad as their opponents in those situations and all those adversaries were operating with overstretched logistics. Ukraine is on the defensive, and better supplied than the Russians at least.

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u/SiarX Sep 23 '22

I also wouldn't say the Russians were really good, they just weren't as bad as their opponents in those situations

You mean that Napoleon and Hitler had bad armies? Surely it is not the case. Failed logistics is a big factor of their defeat, yes, but not the only one. Its not like they met no resistance.

Besides, Russians were on offensive for the second part of Napoleonic wars and WW2, not just on defensive.

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u/Signal-Salamander584 Sep 23 '22

It will be funny if the Russians lose this time due to the Russian winter.

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u/LividPeon Sep 23 '22

*Glorious Ukrainian winter, ftfy

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u/UofMthroaway Sep 23 '22

History says war with Russia in the winter is not the wisest choice.

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u/Icy_700 Sep 23 '22

Unless youre mongols ;)

But remember who their opponent is too. History will also tell you Russia was leveraging a lot Ukrainian land and people to fight those wars for them. They are just as adept at winter hardship as Russia.

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u/UofMthroaway Sep 23 '22

Well nothing will save you if the mongols invade except perhaps immediate surrender.

You’re correct about Ukraine being very similar to Russia in that regard. I just don’t think I’d ever say “winter is coming, that’s gonna be bad for the Russians.”

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u/SiarX Sep 23 '22

Well nothing will save you if the mongols invade except perhaps immediate surrender.

Unless you are mamluks. https://www.medievalists.net/2020/07/mamluks-mongols/

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u/Nick08f1 Sep 23 '22

That's what happened in WW 2 when the Germans tried to go east.

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u/-ll_Y_ll- Sep 23 '22

The smart move for the Russians would be to retreat across the border before the winter. The smart move for Ukraine would be to follow them and wipe them out. The smart move for the US is to convince Ukraine to stop their attacks now and leave the Russians alone during the winter. Instead, my guess is that the Russians will make a big push in the fall, Ukraine will have a strategic counter attack and then there will be chaos in the winter for both sides.